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20:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

L’Association des Vietnamiens de Lausanne (AVL)

Import the logo's. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:59, 25 August 2021 (UTC) .

Danviet.de

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC) .

Stylised map of Đại-Nam (Minh Mạng period)

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 00:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC) .

Etymology of "Xu" / "Su"

"Source" field.
Source links. LINK 🔗.

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC) .

Try to open

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 17:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC) .

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

21:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Dynasties and Emperors

Dynasties.
Emperors.

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Sceau du Dê Thám

Add it here.

Signature (Siggy) to prevent automated archiving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Tên gọi “Việt Nam” có từ khi nào?

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

This isn't a fun hobby

I recently came across these arrogant comments on a talk page and I find that they examplify what I hate about Vietnamese history the most, it is the sheer arrogance and lack of maturity that usually finds its way to almost any discussion about almost any minor thing about Vietnamese history. For context, judging by how well the user "KomradeRice" seems to understand the topics of Vietnamese history plus their user name I can only assume that they are Vietnamese but because they seem to have a "wrongthink opinion" on the whole "Chinese identity issue" they get such a reply. This actually isn't too different with any side of any issue of debates surrounding Vietnamese history, with user "Laska666" constantly calling them reverting anything they don't like with "reverting ip vandalism" and the constant arguing I have seen on the Facebook I can say that I am not a fan how most "historical ideologues" interact with others.

This mentality is also very prevelant with the whole Overseas Vietnamese Vs. Vietnamese-Vietnamese online wars, both Republic of Vietnam loyalists and Socialist Republic of Vietnam nationalists constantly argue and claim that the other side "isn't authentically Vietnamese" and using their own twisted forms of logic they are both right. As a good example as how Communist Vietnamese Nationalists view "the yellow flag" people just read this hilarious peace by a Vietnamese openly mocking human rights and free speech advocacy. I am used to this coming from the Chinese as having lived in China whenever one asks a Chinese person anything about why something in China is the way it is the only remark one can expect is "You are not Chinese, you cannot understand" as is the arrogance of all Chinese Cultural Countries, in South Korea and Japan my experiences weren't too different.

I'm not saying that other countries don't have people with such mentality, I have met plenty of American, German, and Dutch nationalists that tell me or others similar things when discussing their history, maybe only Americans with such a general sense of arrogance but the Germans only when it concerns their modern sycophanty surrounding an obsession of apologising for the holocaust while hypocritically ignoring the worse slaughter of tens of millions of Slavs by the same German government. But I don't think that I have ever come across groups as sensitive towards their whole identities than the Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese. Simply mentioning that people in the past might have seen the world differently from today got user "KomradeRice" an unmatched immature rant, what is worse is that in actual Vietnamese academic circles the reactions aren't too different, as modern nationalist thought completely eclipses any rational academic investigation and scrutiny of historiography.

It took some time for me to realise but I am genuinely convinced that "Vietnamese history is a religion" where rather than investigation being the base of the narrative, the narrative is formed by dogmatic "Essentialisms", this isn't too unlike most historiographies created in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars and especially World War II (Two), after the latter "borders became holy" and people obsess over the shapes of modern borders. Anyhow, this is extremely visible in Vietnamese ultranationalism that always loves to draw the map of Vietnam with the South China Sea islands and somehow makes most of Vietnamese history into a propaganda tool to claim these islands.

Originally I was planning on writibg and ajd some other messages to user "Lê Xuân" but decided against it. Final draft title: "Rant.2. ". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

15:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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