User talk:David Pérez Esteban

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Copyright status: File:Vuelta al Pasado.png

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Thanks for uploading File:Vuelta al Pasado.png. I notice that the file page either doesn't contain enough information about the license or it contains contradictory information about the license, so the copyright status is unclear. If you created this file yourself, then you must provide a valid copyright tag. For example, you can tag it with {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}} to release it under the multi-license GFDL plus Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike All-version license or you can tag it with {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. (See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of license tags that you can use.) If you did not create the file yourself or if it is a derivative of another work that is possibly subject to copyright protection, then you must specify where you found it (e.g. usually a link to the web page where you got it), you must provide proof that it has a license that is acceptable for Commons (e.g. usually a link to the terms of use for content from that page), and you must add an appropriate license tag. If you did not create the file yourself and the specific source and license information is not available on the web, you must obtain permission through the VRT system and follow the procedure described there. Note that any unsourced or improperly licensed files will be deleted one week after they have been marked as lacking proper information, as described in criteria for deletion. If you have uploaded other files, please confirm that you have provided the proper information for those files, too. If you have any questions about licenses please ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright or see our help pages. Thank you.

Ww2censor (talk) 11:54, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Good afternoon, Ww2censor,

I'm quite new here at Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, so I probably did something wrong when uploading the images. One of those was "Vuelta al Pasado.png". I would like to upload this photos, that have a strange copyright: I personally took the screenshots from my screen while playing the game, but I need users to note that the game wasn't created by me. I uploaded the photos because the creator of the game (Immudelki) asked (via Facebook) people from the countries where the game has a translation (Spain in this case) to update the information at the Wikipedia page and upload/change images to show the new version. So the thing is that I need to upload that photos that I took, but the copyright is "shared" (image: me; game: Immudelki) and post them in a gallery inside the IFSCL wikipedia page.

If you can tell me how to that properly to make the image upload legal, I'll be very thankful. David Pérez Esteban (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Firstly may I suggest that you familiarise yourself with Commons:Screenshots. Copyright is a complex issue and we take it very seriously so as a new editor may seem like a minefield. It is easy to make mistakes due to possible misunderstanding. Screenshots are derivative works and unless they are released into the public domain or under a free licence by the author we cannot use them here at all. You cannot MAKE them legal. You must get the copyright holder to verify their permission under a free licence, by following the procedure found at COM:OTRS. Individual language wikis have different rules. Some don't allow any non-free images and do some allow non-free images such as screenshots but only in the article about that specific software as an identification image in the infobox of the article as the enwiki does but only under its very stringent non-free media policy. Hope that helps. Ww2censor (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I think I got the basis of it. Now, having into account that this program is completely free and doesn't have any add-ins that require a license (can be checked here) (and also we, users, were encouraged by the creator of the game to take and upload this screenshots to Wikipedia in the IFSCL Facebook page), if I reupload this images having into account what is said in "Commons:Screenshots --> Software --> To create a free screenshot", will they be accepted in Wikimedia Commons? Again, thank you very much for your help. David Pérez Esteban (talk) 23:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

A free software, i.e., one that you don't pay for or does not require you to get a licence for, in no way means it is copyright free. That copyright belongs to the organisation or individual who created it. Where does it say the copyright of the software is licenced under a free licence. If it does then it can be uploaded but without a clear statement to that effect we have to assume it is in copyright. Ww2censor (talk) 23:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

In that case, to be sure, what do I have to get from the creator of the game (or what do I have to ask him to do) to be allowed to upload the screenshots? David Pérez Esteban (talk) 23:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

As mentioned above: You must get the copyright holder to verify their permission under a free licence, by following the procedure found at COM:OTRS. Ask any questions you like and I'll try to help you. Ww2censor (talk) 10:24, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is getting me crazy, the creator of the game has just sent me an email saying "... It's still something I don't own any real right on, ..." Does that actually mean the screenshots have a free license (or directly no license), by the moment, and I can freely upload them without headaches or does he still have to email the OTRS system (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org). I really ask you because you know better than me what does each "expression" mean in terms of licences. Again, thanks for your great help. David Pérez Esteban (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

That is even more confusing because I cannot really interpret what the software creator means when he says: "... It's still something I don't own any real right on, ... Maybe he does not understand copyright properly because if he created everything himself then he is the copyright holder and can release it under a free licence or release it into the public domain and maybe that is what he means. I certainly cannot make a determination of that statement. We use the precautionary principle that if we are not sure we delete image that are not clearly freely licenced. It may be best for you to just upload the image to the Spanish Wikipedia (which is the only wiki that has an article about this software) as a non-free image for use in the article's infobox to identify the software, if they allow non-free image, and just forget about this commons upload especially if you think the creator will have problems dealing with the OTRS Team verifying his permission. Good luck. Ww2censor (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I've talk to the software creator and told him to email OTRS while I'm out (I leave in half an hour and I can back on 8th, late evening), if he doesn't and the image gets deleted meanwhile, I'll ask him if he is going to do it and if he isn't I'll try to upload it just to the Spanish Wikipedia as a non-free image, by the moment. Anyway, thanks for your help and support, if I don't succeed in uploading them legally, it wouldn't be your fault at all. David Pérez Esteban (talk) 10:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, again, you'll analize his answer better than me "IFSCL is illegal in itself, but tolerated because, of course, I don't share many original files from the show, I promote it, don't make money etc... But still, I don't have any real right I can proclame for an official wikipedia page." So, the thing is that the images of the game are based on the show, but they're "remade" by the creator for the game and so allowed to be used for it, although the creator has no rights on it. I think finally everything leads to the show's copyright holders. I'll check them tomorrow, if I can, and see if there's something I can do, if not, you may need to tell me how to upload it to the Spanish Wikipedia as a non-free image and end this complete headache. Thanks. David Pérez Esteban (talk) 23:25, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

So, as far as I can see from es:Wikipedia:Uso legítimo they don't allow non-free or fair use image but you may also want to read es:Wikipedia:Sobre el uso legítimo. Because my Spanish is useless you may want to ask there because if the Google translation is correct they may have an exception for screenshots. I think the page you need is es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. I'm sorry but I really can't guide you any further on this one. You need to talk to the Spanish wikipedia. Ww2censor (talk) 11:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

File:IFSCL 3.0.0c.png

File:IFSCL 3.0.0c.png has been marked as a possible copyright violation. Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content—that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose. Traditional copyright law does not grant these freedoms, and unless noted otherwise, everything you find on the web is copyrighted and not permitted here. For details on what is acceptable, please read Commons:Licensing. You may also find Commons:Copyright rules useful, or you can ask questions about Commons policies at the Commons:Help desk. If you are the copyright holder and the creator of the file, please read Commons:But it's my own work! for tips on how to provide evidence of that. The file you added has been deleted. If you have written permission from the copyright holder, please have them send us a free license release via COM:VRT. If you believe that the deletion was not in accordance with policy, you may request undeletion. (It is not necessary to request undeletion if using VRT; the file will be automatically restored at the conclusion of the process.) Warning: Wikimedia Commons takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

 

EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, EugeneZelenko,

What I have to tell you is exactly the same I told to Ww2censor: I'm new in the Wikipedia stuff so I don't know how to give copyrights properly. This images have two copyrights: one of mine, who took the photo; and another of Immudelki, the creator of the game (who asked us, users to take screenshots and upload them to wikipedia, in this case he told us to update the old icon by the new one (the one you deleted)), so I think I have enough permissions to upload the image, but I don't know how to put them in the image when I upload it. If any of you (Ww2censor of EugeneZelenco) knows how to help me, I'll be very thankful and Immudelki (the game creator) will also be thankful.

Thanks for your support. David Pérez Esteban (talk) 19:10, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I restored file. You need to add license and provide link to page with terms of use.

Copyright status: File:IFSCL 3.0.0c.png

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Thanks for uploading File:IFSCL 3.0.0c.png. I notice that the file page either doesn't contain enough information about the license or it contains contradictory information about the license, so the copyright status is unclear. If you created this file yourself, then you must provide a valid copyright tag. For example, you can tag it with {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}} to release it under the multi-license GFDL plus Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike All-version license or you can tag it with {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. (See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of license tags that you can use.) If you did not create the file yourself or if it is a derivative of another work that is possibly subject to copyright protection, then you must specify where you found it (e.g. usually a link to the web page where you got it), you must provide proof that it has a license that is acceptable for Commons (e.g. usually a link to the terms of use for content from that page), and you must add an appropriate license tag. If you did not create the file yourself and the specific source and license information is not available on the web, you must obtain permission through the VRT system and follow the procedure described there. Note that any unsourced or improperly licensed files will be deleted one week after they have been marked as lacking proper information, as described in criteria for deletion. If you have uploaded other files, please confirm that you have provided the proper information for those files, too. If you have any questions about licenses please ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright or see our help pages. Thank you.

No required license templates were detected at this file page. Please correct it, or if you have any questions please check my FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Yours sincerely, Jarekt (talk) 16:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

So do you mean I can delete the {{No license since}} template because the file doesn't need a license? David Pérez Esteban (talk) 09:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) No, it means you must add the correct licence under which the copyright holder released the image, just like the one we are talking about above. If the OTRS comes through the OTRS team will add the appropriate licence even if the image get deleted before the OTRS verification. In which case they would restore the image with the agree licence. It is not up to you to remove the copyright issue templates; an admin will do that when closing the issue. Ww2censor (talk) 11:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

David, I see you are planning to send OTRS: that is great. If you know what license the copyright holder will use than you should add corresponding license template to the file and either remove {{No license since}} template or alert me and I can do it. --Jarekt (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Commons does not accept fair use content

Wikimedia Commons does not accept fair use content. We do this because Commons is a shared media repository. Downstream wikis have different policies based on local laws. Uses that are acceptable under US law, for example, may not be acceptable in many other countries with more restrictive rules. In addition, fair use is not compatible with our aim as a collection of freely distributable media files. Therefore, Commons cannot legally rely on fair use provisions. Non-free content that may be used with reference to fair use may be uploaded locally if your project allows this.

 

Motopark (talk) 11:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Only text only logos are allowed in Commons without OTRS-permission

Only text only logos are allowed in Commons without OTRS-permission Motopark (talk) 11:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hello David Pérez Esteban, the following content you uploaded violates one or more of our policies and therefore has been or will soon be deleted:

File:IFSCL 3.0.0.c.png

The Wikimedia Commons (this website) only hosts media files with a realistic educational purpose and that can be used for any purpose, including:

• use in any work, regardless of content
• creation of derivative works
• commercial use
• free distribution

See Commons:Licensing for the copyright policy on Wikimedia Commons, and Commons:Image casebook for some specific examples. Some other Wikimedia projects have different licensing policies. For example, the English Wikipedia allows fair use of sounds and photographs. This is not the case on Wikimedia Commons; "fair use" materials are not acceptable here.

Please make sure that you only upload educational content you have created yourself, those which are out of copyright, or those for which you have the required permission for the work to be used in all the ways described above. Please note that derivative works of copyrighted material are also considered copyrighted. Again, please read through Commons:Licensing, which is quite crucial, to understanding how Wikimedia Commons works. Thanks for your contribution, and please do leave me a message if you have further questions.

Yours sincerely, Hedwig in Washington ^(mail?) 04:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)