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Brasão de D. Manuel Bento Rodrigues da Silva

Caro @CatChess: vi agora o brasão de armas do Cardeal-Patriarca de Lisboa, D. Manuel Bento Rodrigues da Silva, da sua autoria. As armas desse Patriarca têm sido mal reproduzidas e reparei que, de boa-fé, reproduziu esses erros. As armas usadas por D. Manuel Bento eram um escudo partido, tendo na primeira partição as armas da Congregação dos Cónegos Seculares de São João Evangelista, dita dos Lóios (em campo azul, a águia (de negro), símbolo do Evangelista, carregando no bico um tinteiro e uma pena), e na segunda partição as armas associadas ao seu apelido Rodrigues (de ouro, cinco flores-de-lis de vermelho, postas em aspa; chefe de vermelho, carregado com uma cruz florenciada e vazia de ouro). Assim aparecem representadas no selo de D. Manuel e na porta do Coche dos Patriarcas, que está no Museu dos Coches. Ou seja, na primeira partição do escudo o esmalte do campo deve ser o azul e não o verde, e a águia deve portar no bico um tinteiro e uma pena. Na segunda partição do escudo, o campo deve ser de ouro e as flores-de-lis de vermelho, com o chefe de vermelho com uma cruz florenciada de ouro, e não uma Cruz de Cristo. Se pretender, poderei remeter-lhe uma imagem do selo desse Patriarca. Aproveito para felicitá-lo pelo excelente trabalho que tem feito com a ilustração dos artigos da Wikipédia com a respectiva heráldica, e para lhe desejar um Próspero Ano Novo.--Ignotus17 (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ignotus17: Obrigado. Pois realmente vi que havia diferenças entre o escudo do livro dos Patriarcas de Lisboa e o existente no site Araldica Vaticana. Na ausência de melhores fontes confiei mais na edição do Patriarcado. Mas vou averiguar melhor. Votos de bom Ano Novo! CatChess (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@CatChess: Não tem nada que agradecer. Sim, de facto no livro dos Patriarcas as armas aparecem assim representadas. E na Araldica Vaticana também estão mal representadas. Pode ver o selo neste site. Na primeira partição, o campo apresenta linhas horizontais. Parece-me ser azul, portanto. Também está em azul nas armas pintadas no coche dos Patriarcas.--Ignotus17 (talk) 21:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC).

P.S. Julgo que não é frequente encontrarem-se representações das armas dos Lóios. A única dúvida que tenho é se nas armas de D. Manuel Bento a águia carregava o tinteiro e a pena ou só a pena.--Ignotus17 (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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