User talk:Billinghurst/Archives/2024

Deletion nonsense

I'm sure you have better things to do. My own work "Muriel Robin" comprises several photos that I took with Muriel's permission. What's your problem? Francis Hannaway (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Francish7: Please don't make me guess or explore. I have been doing 000s of pieces of maintenance, so please specifically tell me what I am looking at. If I deleted something there will have been criteria added by whomever requested deletion, and it will have been accepted, or added to if I thought extra information was required.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Francish7: I assume you are talking about Commons:Deletion requests/File:Muriel Robin 1.jpg. billinghurst is not really the person who nominated this for deletion. If you look at that page, User:FMSky asked for the image to be speedy-deleted as a duplicate of File:Muriel Robin par Francis Hannaway 2016.jpg. billinghurst rejected that call for speedy-deletion, remarked "Not exact duplicate, though the cropped part contains a copyright statement and the bottom of the image," and then started Commons:Deletion requests/File:Muriel Robin 1.jpg to get consensus, because he was rejecting someone else's call for speedy deletion. In other words, he started a discussion about whether or not to keep the version with the watermark. You can comment on that discussion; here is not the most productive place to comment, because whatever admin decides whether to delete the watermarked version probably won't see this user talk page. And, either way, some version of the photo will certainly be kept. - Jmabel ! talk 22:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Migration of The Origin and Development of the Bengali Language files to English Wikisource

I've noticed that the files The Origin and Development of the Bengali Language (Volume 1).pdf and The Origin and Development of the Bengali Language (Volume 2).pdf were migrated to English Wikisource for copyright violation. While they are obviously in public domain in the United States, they are also in public domain in the source country (India), see {{PD-India}}. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Chatterji died in 1977 to my understanding, which is 47 years ago, so not certain how they are PD-India. If you think that they can be undeleted here, then please follow the process at Com:UNBLOCK.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I believe you meant COM:UNDELETE. - Jmabel ! talk 19:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Yep <sigh> late nights <shrug>  — billinghurst sDrewth 20:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Renaming of file "File:Shane Taylor in November 2014 (cropped).jpg"

Hello - I am just getting in touch about renaming "File:Shane Taylor in November 2014 (cropped).jpg". The Flickr page states the image was taken on November 27, 2014; however, you will see that the image is located in a folder titled "Showcase of Champions Winston Salem, NC 11-27-15". Additionally, the following links shows that Taylor is not recorded as having wrestled on 27 November 2014 but is recorded as having wrestled (in Winston-Salem) on 27 November 2015. Therefore, there is evidence that the image is actually from 2015 and the reference to 2014 on Flickr is an errors. McPhail (talk) 13:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@McPhail: The metadata says 2014. Who am I to dismiss that information? When there is concern over a naming or information, we then lopok to ues {{Fact disputed}}, and put information onto the file talk page. Evidentiary steps are better documented and consensus, rather than forcing something through, and occurring edit wars later. At this stage there is no "obvious" criteria that I can apply, hence my not renaming it at this point. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Renaming requests

Hi! I've noticed that you declined some renaming requests, maybe I was unclear and I would like to explain better. The italian municipalities of Alano di Piave (map) and Quero Vas (map) have been unified last January 22nd, under the new name of Setteville. The standard name adds an "ex-" before "comune" to indicate that it's no longer a municipality, so the name for these historical maps should be Map of ex-comune of XXXXXX (province of Belluno, region Veneto, Italy).svg. Also, this map should not indicate "since" (because it's no longer current) and should be renamed File:Map of comune of -blank map- (province of Belluno, region Veneto, Italy) until 22nd January 2024.svg, as was done for previous maps. If there's anything else wrong, let me know. Thank you in advance :) Arrow303 (talk) 18:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Arrow303: While it may have been a commune, I am guessing that there is no such thing as an ex-commune. We need to manage that a different way. For a file that is a map, put some years against as ab exanple, so (YYYY-YYYY) for start and finish. Also update the description. The name describes what it is or was, or puts boundaries around it, not starts to create new terms. The map is usually as of a point in time, or covers a range if we are looking retrospectively. So if we have a start date, then append 2024, put the fine detail into description.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Casa Ghiringhelli

Why do you delete this category as wrong named? There is a Wikidata and italian Wikipedia article https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Ghiringhelli about this building -- Arch2all (talk) 22:52, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Arch2all: I deleted per request to delete. Twice the category has been created, and twice the contents moved to different places, with category redirects.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

But it seems that the original delete request doesn't make sense (anymore). --Arch2all (talk) 23:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Have a chat to @Arbalete: , their request both times to remove the category redirects, once for their creation. If it is that notable, then we can have the category, and have it linked from Wikidata. Though please resolve this prior to recreating, as there seems a fundamental disagreement here somewhere. I will remove the protection now that a conversation is occurring.  — billinghurst sDrewth 23:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

File:Sámi mythology shaman drum Samisk mytologi schamantrumma 112.png

File:Sámi mythology shaman drum Samisk mytologi schamantrumma 112.png has been marked for speedy deletion. (Reason: waste) Why not upload a picture of a plant, animal, or anything else which fits into our scope. You can contribute any media type you want, including but not limited to images, videos, music, and 3D models. Start uploading now! If you don't have anything to upload at the moment, why not take a look at our best images or best videos, sounds and 3D models. If you have any doubts/questions don't hesitate to visit our help desk.

User who nominated the file for deletion (Nominator) : Mewa767.

I'm a computer program; please don't ask me questions but ask the user who nominated your file(s) for deletion or at our Help Desk. //Deletion Notification Bot 2 (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Resolved sections

Hi. What criteria do you use to consider sections resolved like here?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 15:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

They have an exact answer and we aren't changing our filter for them. The fact that they cannot be bothered reading their error message. I don't believe that the page is the scenario for issue resolution where we are not going to change the filter, or we think that the filter is wrong. Nor is that page the help page for how to circumvent the filter, we should be pushing them to standard help pages at that point.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Saint James Church, Stepanakert

Is it not a Saint James church? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: Hi. Category:Saint James churches is a disambiguation category page, it is not a category for collecting files or categories of churches named St James. Its purpose is to list categories of the same name. We don't have that category specifically for collecting files "Churches named Saint James", and I doubt that there is a particular need for one, though happy to hear your opinion on how it could add value. In this situation, at some point someone has mistakenly added those aspects that have allowed for the categorisation.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

so churches that have St James the Greater as a patron saint should be diffused to that category? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Unexplained revert

Why did you revert my edit at [1]? You omitted adding an explanation in the summary field. Enhancing999 (talk) 06:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Enhancing999: you removed a category redirect that was purposefully added by the move script, per its design. I am not sure why you did that either. I would think that it would be reasonably obvious why we would have a redirect for a long-existing category. FWIW my change back had as much subject summary as your edit.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The template I added explains why the redirect should be deleted and not kept. Not all "long-existing category" should be kept as redirects. For standard users, there is no "suppress redirect" function, so the way to go is to add the template (but I guess you knew that). Enhancing999 (talk) 10:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I did not say we would keep it because it was long-existing, I said as it was long-existing that it we would keep it. This one could not be easily found through HotCat following the change of name, and as such should be kept. The indicative nature of the category redirect should be reasonably apparent that there should be a good reason to delete it. They are not problematic, and if you think that they are problematic, we have a quite reasonable deletion request process. That you added bad name template is your opinion, it is not overtly meeting that criteria.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Enhancing999: See also COM:CATRED.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Malloween

[2]: why? What is the connection? - Jmabel ! talk 21:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

<shrug>  Done  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Text categories

Thanks for adding the nocat parameter to all those text categories. That will make it easier to work on the non-empty dab cats. Do you want any help with doing that? -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Took me a while to find that the "nocat" parameter was already coded into the template. Anyway, help yourself, I am just working through maintenance categories, none are mine, and it is nice to see them empty.  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I took care of all but one of the ones that were in the non-empty dab cats. The one I didn't do was Category:New York (text). That one uses a different template, {{2 word text cat}}, that doesn't seem to have the nocat option. It's getting late so I'm not going to look at it right now, but if no one else does I'll look at it later. -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6: I have added an override for topic/$3 of nocat for {{2 word text cat}}  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! So that takes care of the ones in dab categories.

As for others, I don't know if they should be addressed. Do we ever want to categorize the text categories this way? I would think not, because they deal with pure text, not the meaning(s) of the text. The images in the text could conceivably have nothing to do with the main subject of a term, or even of any of the alternate meanings. What do you think? -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I haven't thought about it, though well worth the conversation. I think that the best space for these in front of the community, so here [[Com:VP]. Trying to find the balance between good categorisation, and make work; sensible <=> nonsensical; do no harm <=> focusing on best use of time.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

deletion request

Dear Billinghurst,

please delete File:Megabunus_sp_♂_adult.jpg and First_Local_Verified_Observation_Record

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elena Regina (talk • contribs) 18:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Question about closure of Mother of the seals

You recently closed a deletion discussion about a photograph taken by a colonizer of a likely coerced nude indigenous woman in favor of keeping the image by stating [t]he dignity standard would not apply to a historical photo. I would like to ask for clarification about how you arrived at this interpretation, that the guideline doesn't apply to historical photos. COM:DIGNITY does not seem to mention exceptions for historical photographs and emphasizes that that portion of the guideline is not about the legal complications that pertain to the privacy rights of living individuals but rather about how decency and respect for human dignity may influence the decision whether to host an image above that required by the law. This seemed like a case in which the provenance of an image may taint its use irredeemably. Hydrangeans (talk) 18:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The wording of that guidance is for contemporary and personal submissions, please read and cite the whole guidance in context. As an administrator I have to assess the guidance against the purpose. The image is widely available in the public domain, we are not talking a sole copy of the image. It is not our job as administrators to reinterpret and censor history, and as such we have to look at the image in the corpus of the collection with its like works.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I have added to my closing remark special:diff/867574829 in light of your request.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Italian discussion

Hi, can I ask you for your opinion on this discussion? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bar_italiano#API_e_IP The two categories were moved without consensus, and furthermore (as explained in the discussion) for reasons that personally seem wrong to me. I'm asking you, because you had already intervened for another category shift without consent, and no one else intervened in the discussion. I would like to have an administrator's opinion regarding both the method (lack of consensus) and the motivations (a more subjective question, which deserves further opinions). Moxmarco (talk) 13:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Moxmarco: I think that getting one of the administrators who is fluent in Italian to that page would be more appropriate. You can find someone via the list on Commons:List of administrators by language.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)