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QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 19:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This deletion of this photograph was based on incomplete information and a misunderstanding. The photograph does not breach any copyright laws and it was published in Nepal. At its core, it was mislabelled as under license, and the previous upload also did not describe the labelling accurately enough was the user was new to Wikipedia and was unsure about the various labels. However, now that it’s copyright status and its authenticity have been established with many Wikipedia users supporting its authenticity, the correct course of action is to take account of the new evidence and restore the photograph.

There is no doubt that the photograph was published in Nepal in 1930 first. There is no evidence that the photograph was published in the USA or any country besides Nepal. The intended purpose of the photograph was clear - for Bhim Shumsher to have his family photographed and then for that photograph to be displayed in the offices of the state and the Nepal Museum. This practice was widely used by all ruling families of Nepal. Bhim Shumsher was an unknown figure in the USA and the USA had virtually no interest in Nepal in the 1930s. Therefore, it is just not plausible that the photograph was published in the USA as there would be little financial gain for the photographer. However, the incentives were clear for Bhim Shumsher to have this photograph published in Nepal at the earliest - to build his credibility as ruler shortly after his coronation and to be widely recognised among his subjects. The only financial or non-financial gain for the photographer was to be paid to take the photograph in a private capacity for the benefit of the Nepali state and this was the only plausible route. The intellectual property and copyright always rested with Nepal, not any other foreign jurisdiction. Hence, in light of the above evidence, it is absolutely clear that this photograph does not breach any applicable copyright laws. It should be disclosed as public domain, not under license.

This is a family photograph of Maharaj Bhim Shumsher with his daughter Choore Maharani Dibya Rajya_Laxmi and his wife Sita Bada Maharani. The photograph is also already in the public domain and is one of the most recognised photographs of Bhim Shumsher of Nepal with his family. This photograph was taken in 1930 in Tangal Durbar, Kathmandu Nepal on the instruction of Bhim Shumsher. This photograph along were published in Nepal in 1930 shortly thereafter and were widely printed and presented in government offices and were open for the public to see in the Nepal Museum. This work was first published in Nepal and is now in the public domain because its copyright protection has expired by virtue of the Copyright Act, 2059 (2002).

Public domain This work is in the public domain in Nepal because its copyright protection has expired or it is exempted from copyright by virtue of the Copyright Act, 2059 (2002) (details). The work meets one of the following criteria:
  • It is an anonymous work or pseudonymous work and 50 years (before 1 January 1974) have passed since the date of its publication
  • It is a work created on payment of remuneration at the initiation or direction of any person or organization and 50 years (before 1 January 1974) have passed since the date of its publication
  • It is a photographic work or work of applied art and 25 years have passed since the year the work was created (ie. as of 2024, works published prior to 1 January 1999 are considered public domain).
  • It is another kind of work, and 50 years (before 1 January 1974) have passed since the year of death of the author (or last-surviving author)
  • It is a "court judgement or administrative decision"

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It is similar in status to the following photographs that you will see on these pages that were also taken by American photographers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_Shumsher_Jang_Bahadur_Rana https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_JB_Rana.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_Jung_Bahadur_Rana_Younghusband.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_family.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_and_sons.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rana_couple.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dev_Shamsher_JBR.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_Jang_Bahadur_Rana.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tribhuvan_1937.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Padma_Shamsher_JBR.jpg

This is an important photograph that in the public domain since 1930 in Nepal that shows the history of Nepal, and the citizens of this proud nation should not be denied their history, especially as there is no breach of copyright laws.

Thank you for your consideration.

(Avs2794 (talk) 16:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Please do not recreate deleted content[edit]

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Your image or other content, File:Maharaj Bhim Shumsher Jang Bahadur Rana with wife (Her Highness Sri 3 Sita Bada Maharani Deela Kumari Devi) and daughter (Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumari Chhoree Maharani Somgarbha Dibyeshwari Rajya Laxmi).jpg, was recently deleted in accordance with our process and policies. You have recreated this content after it was deleted; please do not do this. If you would like to contest the deletion, please visit Commons:Undeletion requests and follow the instructions there to have the deletion reviewed. Recreating deleted content outside of process is not allowed, and doing so repeatedly may cause you to lose your editing privileges. Thank you for understanding.

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. This deletion of this photograph was based on incomplete information and a misunderstanding. The photograph does not breach any copyright laws and it was published in Nepal. At its core, it was mislabelled as under license, and the previous upload also did not describe the labelling accurately enough was the user was new to Wikipedia and was unsure about the various labels. However, now that it’s copyright status and its authenticity have been established with many Wikipedia users supporting its authenticity, the correct course of action is to take account of the new evidence and restore the photograph.

There is no doubt that the photograph was published in Nepal in 1930 first. There is no evidence that the photograph was published in the USA or any country besides Nepal. The intended purpose of the photograph was clear - for Bhim Shumsher to have his family photographed and then for that photograph to be displayed in the offices of the state and the Nepal Museum. This practice was widely used by all ruling families of Nepal. Bhim Shumsher was an unknown figure in the USA and the USA had virtually no interest in Nepal in the 1930s. Therefore, it is just not plausible that the photograph was published in the USA as there would be little financial gain for the photographer. However, the incentives were clear for Bhim Shumsher to have this photograph published in Nepal at the earliest - to build his credibility as ruler shortly after his coronation and to be widely recognised among his subjects. The only financial or non-financial gain for the photographer was to be paid to take the photograph in a private capacity for the benefit of the Nepali state and this was the only plausible route. The intellectual property and copyright always rested with Nepal, not any other foreign jurisdiction. Hence, in light of the above evidence, it is absolutely clear that this photograph does not breach any applicable copyright laws. It should be disclosed as public domain, not under license.

This is a family photograph of Maharaj Bhim Shumsher with his daughter Choore Maharani Dibya Rajya_Laxmi and his wife Sita Bada Maharani. The photograph is also already in the public domain and is one of the most recognised photographs of Bhim Shumsher of Nepal with his family. This photograph was taken in 1930 in Tangal Durbar, Kathmandu Nepal on the instruction of Bhim Shumsher. This photograph along were published in Nepal in 1930 shortly thereafter and were widely printed and presented in government offices and were open for the public to see in the Nepal Museum. This work was first published in Nepal and is now in the public domain because its copyright protection has expired by virtue of the Copyright Act, 2059 (2002).

Public domain This work is in the public domain in Nepal because its copyright protection has expired or it is exempted from copyright by virtue of the Copyright Act, 2059 (2002) (details). The work meets one of the following criteria:
  • It is an anonymous work or pseudonymous work and 50 years (before 1 January 1974) have passed since the date of its publication
  • It is a work created on payment of remuneration at the initiation or direction of any person or organization and 50 years (before 1 January 1974) have passed since the date of its publication
  • It is a photographic work or work of applied art and 25 years have passed since the year the work was created (ie. as of 2024, works published prior to 1 January 1999 are considered public domain).
  • It is another kind of work, and 50 years (before 1 January 1974) have passed since the year of death of the author (or last-surviving author)
  • It is a "court judgement or administrative decision"

English  日本語  नेपाली  +/−

It is similar in status to the following photographs that you will see on these pages that were also taken by American photographers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_Shumsher_Jang_Bahadur_Rana https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_JB_Rana.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_Jung_Bahadur_Rana_Younghusband.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_family.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_and_sons.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rana_couple.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dev_Shamsher_JBR.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chandra_Shamsher_Jang_Bahadur_Rana.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tribhuvan_1937.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Padma_Shamsher_JBR.jpg

This is an important photograph that in the public domain since 1930 in Nepal that shows the history of Nepal, and the citizens of this proud nation should not be denied their history, especially as there is no breach of copyright laws.

Thank you for your consideration.

(Avs2794 (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

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Ìch heiss Nat ùn ìch redd e wenig Elsässisch!Talk to me in EN, FR, PL, GSW-FR(ALS). 19:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. I am getting used to wikipedia. I have taken note. I trust the signature below works?

(Avs2794 (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]