User talk:AmsaTalla

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Rename requests

Hi AmsaTalla, can you give the right Criteria, if you request a file for renaming? See: This. Only adding a year, or something, is not Criterion 2. Criterion 2 means a file is meaningless or ambigious. P.e. - DSC0001.jpg = Angela Merkel.jpg -. (that's an example of Crit. 2). So please use Criterion 3 for minor changes and Criterion 1, if it's your own (recent) upload. Thanks. See COM:RENAME - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 13:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC) PS a request can be declined if the wrong Criterion is used!

Richardkiwi, thanks. From my understanding requests like the one above fall under the "smartphone" example (criterion 2/generic category), just that instead of "smartphone" it's a generic journal title of greater length, which is used for a series of files (different volumes/issues of a journal). Journal categories like this or that (files already renamed) often include dozens of identically named files, which only differ in source database IDs. It's OK to keep these IDs as references, some or even OK and "readable" for humans (example), but others are not (= meaningless).

And thumbnails of journal PDF files ("book cover" first pages) are usually black or all look very similar, so distinguishable/meaningful filenames are of greater importance – compared to normal images (photos, graphics), where similar filenames aren't problematic, because you can quickly distinguish images in a category by looking at thumbnails.

For many journal PDF files adding a differentiating bit like year or volume number helps very much (non-unique/ambiguous/generic journal title > specific journal volume/issue filename).

As I understand COM:RENAME, criterion 3 is specifically for errors, not for "minor changes" as you wrote. I only refer to 3 for spelling errors or alike (typo example). --AmsaTalla (talk) 15:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Your requests with Criterion 2 are not really meaningless too, so they can be declined. Criterion 3 is indeed for spelling errors and things like that, but Criterion 2 is different than you see it. I have to rename it (and others). So I will look more clearly if the criterion is the right one. If it is, I will rename it and otherwise, not. - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 17:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm uncertain about your point.

a) Are you asking me to always state "criterion 3" for such rename requests (as you commented here "This is Criterion 3") regardless of the absence of a formal "error" in filename? – I can do so, of course, but I doubt many others would follow the reasoning.

b) Or are you trying to tell me, that you as a file mover did violate the rules more than 80 times already when you fulfilled my requests (counted only those with criterion 2 reasoning in "generic>specific" cases as described above)? – I hope this doesn't apply.

c) Or something else? I don't get it.

--AmsaTalla (talk) 18:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Autopatrol given

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German Journals.

Thanks for the updates. Keep going on adding biographic/biblographic data on other related uploads.

If you are wondering why it matters, it's so people reviewing can be certain when they update {{IA}} to an appropriate value. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Changing the language ("Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library" filenames)

Hello AmsaTalla, I rename a lot of files you request. So normally I don't even have to check. In the last five requests I handled, I checked, and I saw you changed the language. I can't continue to rename this requests, because it is against the guidelines. So, I can lose my rights for renaming, if I continue to rename against the guidelines. I hope you can find an alternative for this? Please see:

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• COM:FRNOT

#2. This is one of the renames [1]. Maybe it's possible to change the English title? Thanks, - Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Because there was only one left, I renamed that one, but please don't request to change the language the uploader choose. Regards, - Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Title page of the file in question

@Inertia6084: Seriously? You declined a request to rename a file

from Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library (IA mobot31753002306881).pdf

to Flora oder allgemeine botanische Zeitung. 024, Bd. 2, 1841 (IA mobot31753003112007).pdf,

because the new filename isn't English?

Commons stores more than 300,000 files from the Biodiversity Heritage Library, i.e. contents from many different sources (journals/books/articles) in many languages. Some thousands of them still use default (=generic and meaningless) BHL filenames (Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library (IA …).pdf).

"Flora oder allgemeine botanische Zeitung" is a German-language journal, with a German title. For multivolume works like scientific journals, the usual expectation is a naming scheme like Journal title, volume, issue, year (IA identifier).pdf (slight variations possible, depending on language, specific structure, etc). Rename reason 2 ("To change from a meaningless or ambiguous name to a name that describes what the image particularly displays") perfectly does apply for these default BHL filenames, imho.

But now your suggestion is to translate the titles of non-English scientific journals into English, only because the default upload filename part "Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library" is English, really? This would affect a lot of files. AmsaTalla (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I didn't decline anything. The file 'on hold' is renamed to the German name. The reason I say this, because it's against the guidelines to change the name to another language. If you want to continue that, go ahead, but I can't rename it. Other filemovers (there are 1500, not all active) can make their decision. / I don't mean files that are already renamed and I don't make the rules. See COM:FRNOT. Good luck, - Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 17:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Inertia6084: I'm sure you misunderstood the COM:FRNOT criterion 2 ("Files should NOT be renamed only to translate the filename to another language and/or because the filename is not correctly capitalized.")

A request to rename "Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library" into German "Bücher von der Biodiversitäts-Erbe-Bücherei" (same meaning of words), that would be an unwanted translation, and a good reason for refusal. But the cases you worry about are no translation issues in the classical meaning. They are simply requests for meaningful filenames (scientific journal title instead of generic BHL name, irrespective of the target language). AmsaTalla (talk) 17:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)