Template talk:Temporary Exhibition

Proposal

There are many templates in category:Multilingual tags: Exhibition history that are used for the exhibition histoy of the artwork, not necessarily for the event during which the image was taken. We should try to harmonize that. Personnally I do not like very much the fact that this template is always uncollapsed (uncollapsed tables do not look that nice, plus I am not sure that the exhibition deserves to be made that prominent: if the reader is interested in the artwork, she will probably not care much where the photo was taken, if she is interested in the exhibition, she will not need the template, and the important thing will be categories / gallery. So what I would propose:

• use {{Temporary Exhibition}} to define required data and layout format (something like <title> <date> <museum> <city> <catalogue number>)
• have an optional parameter to specify that the photo was taken during the exhibition. It could for instance add "this photo was taken during" before the rest of the template, and possibly add a few other things. About automatically adding category through the template, this makes things faster edit, but for most purposes, automatic categories are currently discouraged, so I dont know.

This would require to be-change files currently using this template, but nothing very hard to do, and better do it now than later. --Zolo (talk) 21:15, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you about the uncollasped part, we (User:PierreSelim) wanted something nice looking and thought firstly of tables while text is much better. (Keep It Simple !). However, there are two different information we want to give with the same model :

• Firstly, we want to say that the picture was taken during a particular exhibition. It is important because the context (background of 3D objects, lightning) might vary a lot between exhibitions. This part should be on the "information about this picture" part of the page.
• Secondly, we want to say that a particular artwork was used in various exhibitions (it is a way to create/underline links between different artworks) and should be in the "information about this artowrk" part (or the Template:Artwork).

This double use can also be seeing with Category:L'Image et le Pouvoir (Image and Power) vs Category:Items displayed during L'Image et le Pouvoir : what category should we add of pictures of artworks displayed during the temporary exhibition but not taken during the exhibition ? And of pictures showing an overview of the exhibition ? For automatic categories, I'd like to read arguments against them (or why they are currently discouraged).Léna (talk) 13:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I have created {{Temporary Exhibition}} that takes a "style" parameter. When set to "photo of" it adds "this photo was taken during:". Will that be okay ? For categories, "Items dispalyed etc. " sounds good to me. For photos taken during the exhibition, perhaps "photo taken during", but it leaves films out.

About autocategorization. I cannot find anymore where it has been discussed apart from Template_talk:Creator#Removal_of_birth.2Fdeath_date_autocategorization but there are several reasons why it may not be good:

1. It can be hard, especially for newbies who may not understand how the category is added.
2. It makes it a bit harder to create subcategories. If the template "exhibited at Beautiful Exhibition", it makes it harder to create a subcategory "exhibited at Beautiful Exhibition, room 1" without overcategorizing (and some people prefer to stay away from templates)
3. Machine readability. It easier for some tools to look for <code>[[Category:XX]] in the Wikitext than to expand templates to check for categories. For instance if you want to search for images uploaded by the Brooklyn Museum that contain the word "man" you cannot just type "Images from Brooklyn Museum man" because the search engine does not realize that {{Brooklyn Museum-no known restrictions}} adds Category:Images from Brooklyn Museum.

That said automatic categories are used still for specific purposes, like for source categories - and admit I have also used them for various purposes as well).

I think most people would agree that Commons structure could be better, but in the case of artworks problems are particularly obvious. Being a mdia repository, Commons is orgzanized around files, while it would often be more convenient to organize things at the artwork level. I had created {{Object photo}} for that, but it is far from an ideal solution. The ongoing m:Wikidata project may offer us hope. If we can export artwork descriptions to there, it could help straigthen things out. --Zolo (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I have changed to a simpler template. To tell that the photo was taken during the event, it should be wrapped within a {{Taken during}}, this is actually simpler than using a "style" parameter. I hope that it is okay. --Zolo (talk) 06:39, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:I18n/catno

For some reason this template doesn't pick up {{I18n/catno}}. Maybe because it is using it indirectly. Is there a way to fix this? Vincent Steenberg (talk) 16:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata Commons link breaks template

When I added d:Property:P373 (Commons category) and a Commons sitelink to d:Q28043290 the template with the item as item parameter broke:

El Siglo de Oro. The Age of Velázquez, Gemäldegalerie (from 1 July 2016 until 30 October 2016) and Kunsthalle der Hypo-Kulturstiftung (from 25 November 2016 until 26 March 2017),

@Zolo: I didn't find the mistake. Do you have an idea for a solution? Thank you, --Marsupium (talk) 09:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I'll try to figure it out, but at first sight I am puzzled. The error comes from the line wd.formatStatements{item = item, property = "P373", numval = 1} and yet {{#invoke:Wikidata|formatStatementsE|item=Q28043290| property = P373| numval = 1}} seems to work fine. Besides, there is no traceback to the specific parts of the module generating the error, while there generally is.--Zolo (talk) 15:43, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Fixed Zhuyifei1999 has corrected the bug. Thank you! --Marsupium (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Purpose

I am bored and expanding File:Clevelandart_1962.32.jpg with its marvelously convenient catalog source. I understand per above that if a photo is taken at a temp exhibition it should be explicitly denoted, which is great, but should we also expand an artwork's provenance and exhibition history almost as if its commons page were a miniature encyclopedia article of its own and not more strictly a reference for citation purposes? I can see the merits in both, but if it's the former, then I would just like to request a better means of doing travelling exhibitions, as the same title will hit multiple cities/museums on different dates, so it would seem like some enumerated parameters like |institution#= and |date#= are warranted (though wouldn't the rest be uniform for a single tour I think?). SamuelRiv (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok I was going to fix the code for a no-exhibition-name bug and found that the multiple locations and dates things is already implemented up to 10x. Of course I'm doing it for File:Clevelandart_1950.377.jpg with museum ref and each exhibition location had a different catalog number for some reason (I think it might have been a mixed show). So of course there's always an exception. SamuelRiv (talk) 01:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

What I do in a situation like that is create a new template for each exhibition catalog, even though it's one and the same travelling exhibition. See for the show in the Munich Haus der Kunst for example http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/475111553, etc. etc. If you think this is a bit crazy, you can always use wikidata instead. I think by now that's even preferred, although personally I prefer to use this template. Regards, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Italics

Hi @SamuelRiv Sorry to say, but your changes have quite an impact on files, pages and templates in which this temple is used. Please have a look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Temporary_Exhibition and judge for yourself. Regards, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 17:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I added |script-title= (and |title= alias) consistent with the base CS1 localization (CS1 having the base citation code for multiple WPs). Non-Cyrillic/Latin/Greek scripts (can't find the whole list of italic/slant-accepting scripts) are still sanitized for italic tags, so it won't break anything in the meantime (though I searched the what-links-here briefly and found one dual-script with Hebrew, which has the problem of ltr+rtl which need to be separately enclosed in appropriate tags for localization anyway, so having separate parameters is still appropriate.) It won't matter if this field moves to Wikidata, but until there's an easy interface or script for putting exhibition data on Wikidata now, the template is appropriate and can be easily bot-converted later.

Meanwhile the language templates need to be updated with the current lua modules and base data (I really wish all of {{Script}}'s sub-template data could be pulled from a single location). SamuelRiv (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

No that's not what I mean. In most cases where this template is used, parameter "name" is already italicized. Double italics makes the text in this parameter rendered in bold. See for example Template:3 ages. Vincent Steenberg (talk) 16:21, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Alright, surrounding italic tics in |name= are now sanitized, and are now deprecated. I will try to find a bot to begin removing them from use, after which I will remove the feature. SamuelRiv (talk) 20:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

ok, no problem. I can work with that. Thanks for your changes. Vincent Steenberg (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC)