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Edit request[edit]

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Please remove the single instance of [[Media:{{PAGENAME}}|]] but leave "This file" and similar localized text. The function is not needed inside the visible text, a link back from a license template to the file in question is not required by the CC license. It has also been removed from most of the main license templates, be it GFDL or CC. --Denniss (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done. →Na·gy 19:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autotranslation[edit]

{{Editprotected}} Could this template be autotranslated? The only thing that has to be done is to replace the actual template with {{autotranslate|base=Agência Brasil}}, furthermore you should add {{{category|{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|File|[[Category:Photographs by Agencia Brasil|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}}}, to make sure that only files will be categorized. Thank you. --The Evil IP address (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I fear, that it will end up in some template loops, but I will test it. --Martin H. (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, no template loop because Template:Cc-by-2.5-br is not autotranslated. If this becomes autotranslated there can be a template loop on inclusions of Agencia Brasil template with the template "autotranslate". --Martin H. (talk) 18:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Something got wrong[edit]

The documentation is rendering inside the template. could someone fix it?

thanks, tales.ebner 19:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone added {{Documentation}} to Template:Cc-by-2.5-br without paying attention to the noinclude tag. Should be fixed soon. --Denniss (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. We will however have a problem if cc-by-2.5-br is setted to autotranslate, it isnt yet. A template loop for the template autotranslate will occur. If there is no better sollution the license template should be removed out of the Template:Agência Brasil/layout template and directly put on this base template. --Martin H. (talk) 02:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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We now have a template loop here with the autotranslation of cc-by-2.5-br. Please fix. --Denniss (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Template loop fixed (hopefully) by moving cc-by-2.5-br from Template:Agência Brasil/layout to Template:Agência Brasil as suggested by Martin H.. --Jarekt (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template protection[edit]

I raised protection of Template:Agência Brasil/layout from none to autoconfirmed users only. Template:Agência Brasil is fully protected, but I did not gave Template:Agência Brasil/layout the same level of protection, since I moved the {{Cc-by-2.5-br}} back to Template:Agência Brasil and the layout subpage is more of an information page than license page now. --Jarekt (talk) 15:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Logo?[edit]

Does Agência Brasil have a logo? Source templates usually have one, like Template:Fotothek-License/layout for example. --Jarekt (talk) 15:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please update the template[edit]

The initial page of Agência Brasil website now shows a CC BY 2.0 license. --viniciusmc (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eh ? Don’t. If licence terms change, we have to create a new template. Like this, all files previously uploaded and tagged are mis-licensed. Jean-Fred (talk) 15:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They changed it again to 2.5, now its consistent with the old licensing. --Martin H. (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And they did it again - now it's cc-by-3.0/br. Shall we wait if they change their mind again, shall we just update the templates to the newer CC version or do we need a new template ? --Denniss (talk) 03:23, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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It's been 6 months nearly since you posted that - We need to change it now, since the information we're currently showing is incorrect. We change the template when they change their license, and since it's currently listed, as Denniss says, as CC-BY-3.0/br, it needs to read the same. Specifically - "Todo o conteúdo deste site está publicado sob a Licença Creative Commons Atribuição 3.0 Brasil. - All content on this site is published under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Brasil License." BarkingFish (talk) 20:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Complete license is now "Todo o conteúdo deste site está publicado sob a Licença Creative Commons Atribuição 3.0 Brasil exceto quando especificado em contrário e nos conteúdos replicados de outras fontes" (= new). The old license was still active in 09.2012 (archive). Gunnex (talk) 20:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Surplus line-break[edit]

{{editrequest}} If this template is put on a non-filepage the {{iffile}} part doesn't output anything – except a blank line which produces surplus whitespace. Therefore the line break in front of the category parameter should be removed. --Patrick87 (talk) 22:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think I did what you wanted. Killiondude (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please update template[edit]

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Please update the terms of use per the current website wording, as already mentioned above in January 2013:

Todo o conteúdo deste site está publicado sob a Licença Creative Commons Atribuição 3.0 Brasil exceto quando especificado em contrário e nos conteúdos replicados de outras fontes.

English: All content on this website is published under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Brazil License unless specified otherwise and content replicated from other sources.

HelenOnline 13:29, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done for Template:Agência Brasil/en. @HelenOnline: You might want to update Template:Agência Brasil/pt (which is not protected). --whym (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Categoria[edit]

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Favor desfazer essa edição e apagar a categoria Photographs by Agencia Brasil.

Commons:Language policy: Category names should generally be in English, excepting some of proper names.

Luan fala! 00:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

 On hold, I listed the category for discussion to get some input whether this change is a good idea: Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/04/Category:Photographs by Agencia Brasil. Regards, --ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 10:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not done for now. Please add {{Editprotected}} once you've reached consensus to change the template. Multichill (talk) 13:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request[edit]

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The URL that documents the ebc.com.br Creative Commons license release has gone dead. The new URL is located at [1], and the wording has also changed (see 4(b)). Seattle (talk) 03:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Seattle: Are you sure? Current link works for me.—Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 01:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Link works for me too -FASTILY 18:38, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The wording was indeed updated (see also Template talk:Agência Brasil#Please update the template etc.) and is already integrated in Template:Agência Brasil/en/Template:Agência Brasil/pt-br/Template:Agência Brasil/pt/Template:Agência Brasil/sv. Need still an update for the rest of the translations (not protected). Gunnex (talk) 19:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: CC BY 3.0 BR is gone, only non-commercial use/reproduction is allowed now[edit]

{{Editprotected}} Hi! Per above. Check http://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/ and terms of use http://www.ebc.com.br/termos-de-uso-e-condicoes-gerais-do-portal-da-ebc:

Considering a wayback from 23.02.2017 (CC-BY-3.0 BR indication still there) and a wayback from the next day 24.02.2017 (CC-BY-3.0 BR advice removed), all uploads from Agência Brasil since 24.02.2017 are most likely NOT compatibel with COM:L, considering also the terms of use:

1b: "O Usuário deverá utilizar o Portal apenas para finalidades de uso pessoal, sem intuito comercial ou lucrativo." --> = only non-commercial use is allowed

1e: "Reprodução autorizada mediante indicação da fonte." --> only reproduction (citing the source) is allowed.

4a: "O Usuário reconhece que os administradores do Portal EBC detêm com exclusividade toda a propriedade intelectual sobre o Portal, incluindo, mas não se limitando a, direitos autorais (morais e patrimoniais, marcas, patentes, nomes comerciais, nomes de domínio, títulos de estabelecimento, e segredos industriais e comerciais), relativamente a quaisquer funcionalidades, softwares, sons, músicas, imagens, textos, layout, design, telas, gráficos, templates, canal de comunicação, compilação de links, e base de dados, exceto quando especificado em contrário." --> all content of "Portal EBC" is copyrighted.

On 29.03.2017 (or 28.03.2017), Agência Brasil finally added "Reprodução autorizada mediante indicação da fonte." to the site. Affected are also also {{EBC}}, {{TV Brasil}} and maybe other related templates. Gunnex (talk) 22:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's very sad, and my conclusion is the same as yours, it's clearly nonfree. ~★ nmaia d 18:01, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A quick note: while photos taken after 23.02.2017 should be removed, photos merely uploaded after 23.02.2017 shouldn't. Because there's no way to verify whether the uploader is using an archived version of the website to extract the images, for example. ~★ nmaia d 18:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@NMaia, Gunnex, and Itu: Is it now done? Why you not mentioned the VP thread? I also believe it would be better if the text says, for what it is not for what is not. -- User: Perhelion 13:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
VP=? --Itu (talk) 14:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like the issue was already addressed, so I am removing edit request template. If there is a need to edit some protected page please create new request. --Jarekt (talk) 04:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please stop disrupting Commons[edit]

… and restrict the warning to affected files⁇ --Itu (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Itu, how should it look? (May this is also technical difficult). -- User: Perhelion 12:00, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If it is not possible to solve it with template code, a bot should start evaluating the dates. --Itu (talk) 14:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Flickr of Agência Brasil republish with free license[edit]

I was browsing Flickr and I noticed that Agência Brasil went back to publishing images under free license. How should we proceed from now on?

Here a example.

YoudaCamper (talk) 20:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on license[edit]

{{Edit request}} The date of change should be 25 February 2017, because the terms of use page on 24 February still with the cc-by-3.0-br license. --219.79.97.200 04:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Per the section above. The main page lost the compatible licensing statement on February 24th. Due to the ambiguity of the situation we are going to have to go with the most restrictive version. Which is what the template currently is. --Majora (talk) 01:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Licenses across time[edit]

It is requested that an edit or modification be made to this protected page.
Administrators/template editors: Please apply <nowiki> or {{Tl}} to the tag after the request is fulfilled.

Erick Soares3

Hi! I thought about going on the Agência Brasil history to see how its license changed across time. I wonder: would it be possible to make the template acknowledge all these changes? Example: {{Agência Brasil|date=YYY-MM-DD}} (necessiting, at least, the "Year"). These changes will be useful for memoria.ebc.com.br/agenciabrasil/ (with images dating since 2003):

Attribution

1.2001/2 until 2005: "Fotografias": "Photographs of official events are available through Agência Brasil and can be used, free of charge, as long as the source is acknowledged."

2.June 2006 until July 2006: "Todas as matérias poderão ser reproduzidas desde que citada a fonte" (All articles may be reproduced provided the source is cited.). The img.radiobras.gov.br gives: "Todas as fotos poderão ser reproduzidas desde que citada a fonte e o nome do repórter" (All photos may be reproduced provided the source and the reporter's name are mentioned)

CC

3.2006 until April 27, 2011: CC-BY-2.5-BR

4.30 April 2011 until 2017: 3.0 Brazil

And everything since 2017 is Non Commercial (would be moved to speed deletion/or deletion by consensus, unless it is an specific case like this one).

Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of Attribution license: 2003 Alcântara VLS accident and Funeral of Sérgio Vieira de Mello.
Example of 2.5: File:Carlos Ganem e VLS.jpg. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If these alterations are even possible, a bot could sort across all the files and update everything? Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You should probably go to Village pump/Copyright with this to get more attention. --Rosenzweig τ 18:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Luan and Teles: , vocês que entendem esse palavrório e funcionamento daqui, estava vendo que as imagens como esta trazem nos "Metadados" o mesmo texto que havia entre 2001-2005: "O conteúdo da Agência Brasil pode ser reproduzido gratuitamente, desde que citada a fonte" - não havendo qualquer restrição acerca do uso comercial da imagem... Não seria o caso, agora, de se voltar a liberar esses carregamentos? Grato, André Koehne TALK TO ME 01:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@André Koehne, pelo que entendi desde meados de 2017 as imagens da Agência Brasil não são mais compatíveis e acredito que essa informação nos metadados não seria suficiente. —Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 21:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Teles, mas é esse o ponto: a página da EBC não faz qualquer menção a restrições além da que está ali consignada. Muito estranho, aliás, o "uso não-comercial" pois a agência existe, primordialmente, não para uso nosso aqui, mas das "empresas de comunicação" (jornais, sites, etc) - todas comerciais. Portanto, não procede alegação de que usem a CC NC... Ou seja, o uso é livre, desde que citada a fonte: a mesmíssima que eu, por exemplo, "assino" ao enviar algo... Obrigado por responder, uma pena que eu não saiba ir lá (seja lá onde esse "lá" for, he, he) tentar mudar! Grande abraço. André Koehne TALK TO ME 22:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@André Koehne, a discussão ocorreu em 2017. Parece ter a ver com a proibição de uso para fins comerciais. Mas a coisa é meio confusa mesmo. Não existe uma separação tão clara quanto ao material do site e as fotos. —Teles «Talk to me ˱C L @ S˲» 22:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@André Koehne@Teles Só vi o restante da discussão agora e acabei de descobrir isso: nos Termos de Uso do Banco de Imagens da Agência Brasil (gov.br) atualizado em dezembro de 2023, basicamente libera o uso, desde que citada a fonte e o autor. Erick Soares3 (talk) 11:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Erick Soares3: , embora no texto não haja especificação do uso e do tipo de licenciamento, ao final da página diz que todo o conteúdo deles está sob Creative Commons Atribuição-SemDerivações 3.0 Não Adaptada. De qualquer forma que porventura venham as ser usadas aqui, essa deverá ser a licença utilizada, penso. André Koehne TALK TO ME 12:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: não consegui achar, nas licenças 3.0 aqui disponíveis, alguma versão que inclua "non-derivative" que possibilite o uso das imagens no Commons... Ou seja, mesmo que as imagens estejam lá sob CC-3.0, não há no Commons a tag que possibilite a adequada classificação... André Koehne TALK TO ME 12:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@André Koehne Somete a página do gov.br está sob Creative Commons Atribuição-SemDerivações 3.0 Não Adaptada. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
E o EBC não foi atualizado, o que contradiz o que o próprio Governo Federal determinou ano passado. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Explicando melhor: somente as páginas do domínio gov.br estão sob esse Creative Commons Sem Derivações. A Agência Brasil, pela determinação do governo ano passado, têm suas imagens com uso liberado desde que citada a fonte. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discordo, @Erick Soares3: , lá diz, textualmente: Todo o conteúdo deste site. Por "todo" entendo também as imagens contidas "neste site", já que elas não estão fora dele, concorda? André Koehne TALK TO ME 13:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: se qualquer editor do Commons for conferir a licença, por mais que o texto seja omisso na forma de sua utilização, verá que esta (3.0 by SA - non derivative) será aquela que vigora. A menos que alterem ali, não vejo como convencermos de que seja diferente... André Koehne TALK TO ME 13:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@André Koehne A licença 3.0 by SA-non derivative só vigora para o domínio gov.br, não para agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/fotos, o qual o Termo de Uso da página que indiquei, só barra uso de imagens feitas com outras agências. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:15, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As imagens da Agência Brasil podem ser republicadas no domínio gov.br, mas essa determinação de dezembro mostra que as disponibilizadas no domínio ebc.com... têm um novo tipo de uso, apesar dos termos de uso da EBC não serem atualizados desde 2020. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ai, ai... @Erick Soares3: , nesta página tem uma explicação didática para os leigos - e explica que liberam as fotos da ABr, mas não as das agências parceiras porventuras usadas (caso em que o download não é possibilitado, e a própria página que as usar trará a informação de uso não-livre). Mas a "tag" especificada é uma só, e está no final da página: será ela, e não o texto, que o Commons usará... Como fiz uma busca superficial, talvez tenhamos algo similar por aqui - como falei - eu não consegui encontrar... André Koehne TALK TO ME 13:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mas não vejo como aquela tag seria relevante, pois as imagens não são inicialmente publicadas no domínio gov.br, mas noutro. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
O único problema é que essa página não é atualizada desde 2020, e não representa o que o Governo Federal determinou: https://www.ebc.com.br/termos-de-uso-e-condicoes-gerais-do-portal-da-ebc Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pois... na Commons:licenciamento a gente tem que a "não-derivativa" 3.0 não pode ser usada. Aqui tem a definição. Não vi se, como falou, nas páginas que contêm as fotos há outro tipo de licenciamento... Você tem algum link para a gente ver se, nas fotos, a gente encontra algo diferente? André Koehne TALK TO ME 13:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mas... Tem muitas fotos aqui, carregadas na gestão passada. De alguma forma, creio, o pessoal aceitou o licenciamento. Contudo, me parece que usaram a página do FlickR, onde ali a licença é colocada em cada imagem, ao carregarem. Pode ser uma solução... André Koehne TALK TO ME 13:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Eu sei que a "não-derivativa" não pode ser usada aqui (o que impediria o uso do gov.br como fonte). Existem milhares de fotos, como essa, mas só indicam "(C) Fotografo/Agência Brasil", o que não exclui o uso que os termos de dezembro passado indicam (tanto que o site também tem fotos do Ricardo Stuckert, que no Flickr recebe um CC bem livre). Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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