Talk:BSicon/Archive 2

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Question about an icon

Diagram 1
Diagram 2
Diagram 2a
Diagram 2b

I don't know what this is called, but I want to find the icon representing a curve from/to a parallel-width horizontal line (similar to  (uSTR2+r-), but not an "uw" icon) which connects with the middle of a half-width "uw" icon (such as  (udSTR2+m)).

Recently I have been using "SHI2"-prefixed icons, e.g.  (udSHI2g+r) to connect to 45-degree diagonals, e.g.  (udSTRm+4), so it would look like what's shown in Diagram 1.

More recently, I have been using two tracks. So now I have something like what's shown in Diagram 2. I want to create two tracks, but I don't know what the icon is called that is overlaid over  (u-STR2+r) in Diagram 2. Does it even exist, and if so, where can I find it? epicgenius (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: It should be called u-STR2+r~G (like  (uSTR2+r~G)), and I am coincidentally about to upload it as part of a group of a few hundred icons (which nobody had asked me to make). You can also use d!~…\d!~… to overlay the second icon over the "gridlines". However, in this diagram it would probably be better to use the kvSTR icons (diagram 2a) or the usual vSTR icons (diagram 2b), because the distance between the diagonal tracks should be wider. Jc86035 (talk) 03:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Another new page

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin, and Epicgenius: I've written BSicon/Guide (for anyone who might want to try mass uploads). Does it seem useful? Jc86035 (talk) 22:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it's very helpful. I was wondering how to make mass uploads for a long time, and I was actually going to ask that question soon. epicgenius (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I think you may need to add some more instructions for non-technical users though. I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what I should do. epicgenius (talk) 22:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Thanks. Which parts in particular should I improve? (I would hope others would make use of it – slowly figuring out how to mass upload was a horrible and very time-consuming experience and I would not wish it on anyone.) Jc86035 (talk) 22:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jc86035: A step-by-step walkthrough of what you currently use for the mass-upload process would be very helpful. For instance, the guide currently only tells the reader to "use Pywikibot" but doesn't point to any exact page, or even an instruction page. Also, the "Sample bash script" is confusing since it doesn't tutor the uninformed reader about what the separate steps of the script do. epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Some of the stuff I do is not necessarily good advice; for example, I work out of my Downloads folder just because it's convenient.

Basically, if you install pywikibot in a folder called "core" in your user directory (i.e. /Users/epicgenius/core), the script will work if you have SVG files in the locations listed. There needs to be links on the guide page somewhere to the Pywikibot installation instructions and similar. Jc86035 (talk) 23:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks. epicgenius (talk) 23:22, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Is there anything in the page that's not comprehensible right now? (I'm going to be mostly inactive for an extended period, so I'd hope that it would be of use to someone else.) Jc86035 (talk) 14:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jc86035: Well, it seems to make a lot more sense. Thanks for that. However, I haven't had the time to actually test this out because I've been busy over the past few weeks. I'll try a few uploads this weekend. epicgenius (talk) 00:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Mobile view

In my limited experience of mobile view, route diagrams work, but their appearance needs improving if it's possible. Has there been discussion of this? If so, I'd be grateful for a link. Andrew Dalby (talk) 14:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I now see that on the English Wikipedia route diagrams work well in mobile view. I'm from the Latin Vicipaedia (where we use the green series for Roman roads). Evidently we need to update our template. Andrew Dalby (talk) 10:06, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Catalogue reorganization

@Useddenim and Tuvalkin: Would it be appropriate to reorganize the catalogue into smaller pages of about 1–5 tables per page, and change the titles to match the categories (e.g. BSicon/Catalogue/mask for Category:BSicon/mask; BSicon/Catalogue/railway/parallel lines/HST for Category:BSicon/railway/parallel lines/HST and its subcategories)? I brought up reorganization in 2017, but it never went anywhere. Jc86035 (talk) 14:57, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I have no objection. I've been splitting the pages periodically, when they have become too, too big. Useddenim (talk) 15:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

• No qualms on the splitting matter and hooray for the matching between catalog and categories. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 23:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

  @Useddenim and Tuvalkin: I've created BSicon/Catalogue/railway/ACC and BSicon/Catalogue/railway/HSTACC (mainly split from BSicon/Catalogue/interchange). I've also made {{BS-lists}}, which should aid in creating tables with lots of rows. Jc86035 (talk) 09:46, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you! I’m slowly starting to think I might use this thing. ;-) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 19:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

ISA

The RTA in Cleveland, Ohio has been implementing the modified ACC icon into their rail transit services.

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Can we consider the addition of a secondary ACC icon for rail stations? Cards84664 (talk) 23:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Cards84664: I'm not sure if this would be necessary. Would this be to change the shape of the icon or the symbol in the icon, or both? Do you just want to create a file redirect to the RTA icon image?

I think I get the point of changing the symbol, although it doesn't actually convey any additional information compared to any other blue-and-white accessibility symbol. (To me it also looks like that would be a mildly uncomfortable posture.) Jc86035 (talk) 06:18, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Lost icon

What has happened to  (uxMILL)? It seems to have disappeared from BSicon/Catalogue/watercourses and is used in a number of river templates. Has it been replaced by a new icon not listed on the watercourse page? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

As a follow up, a couple of other icons in that section seem to have vanished as well. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

It still exists; if it's not at BSicon/Catalogue/watercourses/infrastructure feel free to add it back. Also, you'll probably find the other ones you're looking for at Category:Icons for canal descriptions/docks, wharves and buildings/buildings. As for renaming, there's a discussion at Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Canals#Locks that's going nowhere; any additional opinions would be welcome. Useddenim (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Strange, they all appear to be back now. I'll have a look at the discussion. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Automatic generation

Are all icons in the BSicons set manually created? Are some of them automatically created? Were there any discussions of generating these icons on the fly? —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Andrybak: Pretty much "yes", now; once; and, not really. There was a script that generated icons, but it only handled straight and 90° turns in basic red and blue, all variants of which now exist, so it's obsolete. As the icon set gets fuller and fuller, anything that's not a colour variant of an existing icon pretty much requires manual-tweaking now. Useddenim (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Andrybak: I didn't see this, sorry. It depends on what you mean by "automatically created": I do use a script to duplicate icons into different colours, and I often use regular expressions to batch edit icons (e.g. to rotate several SVGs at once). Additionally, a few times I've used Inkscape to batch transform several SVG paths at once (e.g. flipping them horizontally or vertically), and then used command line programs to find and replace those paths. So to answer your question, there aren't any bots uploading BSicons, and there aren't any scripts with which one would generate entire BSicon SVGs from scratch, but BSicon SVGs may be partially procedurally generated in a semi-automatic fashion. Jc86035 (talk) 14:05, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

BSicon changes log

@Tuvalkin, AlgaeGraphix, and Vunz: FYI, there's a discussion on JJMC89's talk page that might be relevant to you if you use the BSicon logs generated by JJMC89 bot. Jc86035 (talk) 02:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

"Template:Bsn" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Bsn. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Bsn redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 21:31, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Prefix order

@AlgaeGraphix: I would start a discussion before changing the displayed prefix order at BSicon/Catalogue, since to my understanding it was previously accurate. That being said, in practice the change only matters for a few icons;  (kdSTRc1) and the other half-width, quarter-width and three-quarter-width k icons (all corners) were renamed by me in 2017, and if it does actually make more sense I would be fine with putting k between c/d/b/s/w and v/3/C/D/L/M in the order.

Incidentally, the prefixes in the table weren't ordered very well originally – they were sorted alphabetically in May 2016, k wasn't even in the table until Useddenim added it a month later, and the sorting was probably wrong in other ways since  (dLSTR) was already named that way in 2014 – but I ordered them gradually in 2016 and 2017 based on my understanding of the actual naming practices. Jc86035 (talk) 18:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jc86035: k should be adjacent to the ROOT because it modifies the line—similar to the 3 prefix—whereas d is an ICON modifier. (In general, icon names tend to be parsed from the outside in, with the exception of the u/e/x/m modifiers.) AlgaeGraphix (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlgaeGraphix: Valid point, but, well, it wasn't where Useddenim inserted it, and I can't find any related discussion from that period of time that explains why he did it that way. There are only 32 icons which would need to be renamed if the change were effected. I'll move the files in a while assuming no one comes around to complain about it. Jc86035 (talk) 18:53, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Different distance

Moved to Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness/Formations#Different distance
AlgaeGraphix (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

llACC icons

moved to Talk:BSicon/Renaming#legende ACCs

-M and -R are a source of conflict in combination with certain road types

Moved to Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Roads#-M and -R are a source of conflict in combination with certain road types. Useddenim (talk) 23:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

One file, one filename limit

Another general problem I see, rather of technical nature, is that we cannot have a pool of valid, rule-generated names for one specific icon. For a significant amount of icons there are more than one valid names, even if you strictly apply the current rule set. A rather simple example: v-SHI2r and vSHI2+l-. But, taking history into account, there are lots of examples where you would not have to decide according to an either / or rationale, cf. TUNNELW, tKRZW, BRÜCKE1, KRZo or similar.

There is the file redirect possibility, but its not quite suited for this task, because it implies that the redirect target is more valid / more suited than a redirect title. Also, in general, autors will usually not opt for a redirect title, because they don't feel its as official as the target of a redirect - and they are confirmed in their opinion when file moves occur, that often care to fix the direct referrers linking to the object being moved, but sometimes not about the indirect referrers such as redirects. Also, adding to this, there is no comfortable tool where you can visualize (File:)title-to-icon associations - claiming it's easy to oversee important redirects living in main namespace from those entries automatically generated by bots watching renames and file creations. If you're akin to unix file systems compare the concept of hard links and soft links - this is basically what I suppose is missing in mediawiki - while we can soft link ("redirect") there is no mechanism to truely link one BLOB to multiple names - not in File: namespace...

Changing this generally might not be a good idea, but it may be a nice-to-have feature for subproject such as BSion on commons. Again, this is nothing BSicon folks could/should change. This is more a sigh on the limitations of mediawiki. --93.201.167.64 22:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I think you’re looking for Category:BSicon/redirect. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

UK motorway bridge

UK motorway

I have noticed a problem with the UK motorway bridge (see right). I was planning to use  (hRBeq) as an overlay

-- ThylacineHunter (talk) 01:04, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

It should be fixed. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 23:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Not fixed. As you can see on the example UK motorway on the right,  (hRBeq) doesn't line up with  (SKRZ-Bhl). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 05:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

File thumbnail display not updating formation width

Examples
uhkABZl+34 uhkABZr+12 uxhkABZq+34 uxhkABZq12

I've been trying to update the formation width of these 2 icons  (uhkABZr+12) and  (uhkABZl+34), however the thumbnails at 20px don't seem to be updating (see example and comparisons on the right)

Does anyone knows how to fix this? Thanks - oahiyeel ^talk 12:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

To add, just noticed that "20px" uses the "40px" thumb on iOS devices. So it seems like it's the 40px thumbnails are not being updated. E.g.  (ueCINT-R(l)) &  (ueCINT-R(l))  - oahiyeel ^talk 12:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Looks like the original issue has resolved itself after multiple attempts to upload the image. - oahiyeel ^talk 14:20, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Missing branchings - 90° curves

I am after one of the missing BSicon/Catalogue/branchings#90° curves, in particular  (utSTRra). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

@ThylacineHunter: It's really quite easy to create "missing" icons. Just find it in another color, download the .svg file, open it in a text editor, then change stroke=#"…" to the desired hex code (in this case BE2D2C to 003399 ). Useddenim (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't really have any idea what I'm doing with editing .svg files, and have no skills for creating new icons. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 20:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this. I may never leave the house again! ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 12:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)