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Poland should be red

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Please see the discussion here: [1]Wikitiki666 (talk) 01:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The map "State recognition of same-sex relationships in Europe" is wrong, because Polish constitution banned same sex marriage in 1997, please correct this country to red color.
Article 18 of Polish Constitution:
Marriage, being a union of a man and a woman, as well as the family, motherhood and parenthood, shall be placed under the protection and care of the Republic of Poland.
(http://www.sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm)
Davaj (talk) 12:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is typically how same-sex marriage "bans" are worded, at least in the US (see en:List of defense of marriage amendments to U.S. state constitutions by type#Amendments that ban same-sex marriage for US examples). These are often referred to in the media as "bans" -- however, persons in favor of the amendments do also call it "defining" marriage as between a man and woman. The legend could be changed from "bans" to a more literal wording such as "defines marriage as between a man and woman" (if consensus was there for the change), but this would also require changes to all of the non-English legends (and to legends on all of the non-English Wikipedias that use this map). Wikignome0529 (talk) 23:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Biased colours?

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I think the choice of colours is rather biased, i.e. taking blue as a positively connotated colour for pro-SSM countries, and "red" for those "evil" countries that have (democratically) decided otherwise. If the majority of people in Poland opposes SSM than that must be respected, but not be shown as something backward or "bad" -- it's just differing views on the same subject. In my view, it would be better and more neutral to use different shades of the same colour (e.g. of blue) for all options. --77.6.23.12 17:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way we are going to add yet another color of blue — it's confusing enough as it is. There is nothing "biased" about it being in red — and red or some form of other warm color is most typically is associated with banned — not blue or another cool color. VoodooIsland (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, I tried to add a fourth shade of blue to the North America version of this map (to move foreign SSM from purple to a blue), but once you have more than 3 shades of blue it starts getting harder to distinguish between the colors. The red color is more intuitively associated with bans of things on maps. Wikignome0529 (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Malta? Kosovo?

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We forgot Malta. NYC JD (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also need to indicate Kosovo separately from Serbia. --Mareklug talk 23:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Portugal

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On Jan, 8, 2009 also Portugal approved a same-sex marriage bill. I'm working to update the picture, I'm not very expert on Wikimedia so should I overwrite something unnecessary by mistake please revert without problems. --L736E (talk) 18:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to this source [2]. Portugal's parliament has passed a law to legalise same-sex marriage, but rejected proposals to allow homosexual couples to adopt. Jose Socrates had appealed to MPs to back the same-sex marriage law. Right now it's legal in Portugal the same-sex marriages. --Keepscases (talk) 04:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It only first reading, not final vote. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8448640.stm

quotation:

"The bill will now be reviewed in committee before coming back for a final vote in parliament". Ron 1987 (talk) 14:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

explanation:

"The bill will now be reviewed in committee before coming back for another final vote in parliament". About this law that included homosexual couples to adopt. You should't revert this map until this law is reverted. 1.- same-sex marriages. 2.- homosexual couples to adopt. --Keepscases (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Committe will consider governmental bill, not propositions additionally adoption rights for same-sex couples. That issue is finally dead. Next, the bill will be voted again by parliament. Same-sex marriage isn't legal yet. The bill must be approved twice. See Constitution of Portugal article 171. I think we should wait, because President can veto the bill. Parliament can override veto by absolute majority of votes. Rejecting of veto by parliament is very likely but not clear in 100%. President can also challenge the law to the Constitutional Court. Ron 1987 (talk) 22:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A more detailed map?

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Hi! I was wondering whether you can add a colour to show which kind of registered partnership are virtually equivalent to a marriage (giving the same rights and obligations) as discussed in this Council of Europe draft report (see table at point 73). --147.122.3.112 10:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Malta and Faroe Islands

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Malta should be yellow. See Recognition of same-sex unions in Malta or [3][4] Faroe Islands should be grey. Ron 1987 (talk) 23:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belarus

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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Same_sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg#Belarus Ron 1987 (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Estonia / Albania

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Estonia and Albania should be changed from yellow to grey. Estonia has just ended the discussion with the new family law rejecting same-sex marriage and Albania will very likely not re-start the debate until 2013 when the next parliament is elected, meaning that the debate isn't really "current". Travelbird (talk) 17:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Greece

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Greece should be changed to yellow:

" The Greek government under George Papandreou, leader of Panhellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK), is preparing legislation for same-sex registered partnerships. Haris Kastanidis, the current minister for Justice, Transparency and Human Rights, during an interview on Greek Radio Station VIMA 99.5 on 17 September 2010, said: "The ministry of Justice in cooperation with the General Secretariat of Equality has constituted a legislative standing committee that will make the relevant proposals" for same-sex partnerships and that the government's political will is obvious towards this matter. In the Greek newspaper To Vima (10 October 2010) it is mentioned that this committee "was constituted on 29 July 2010 and, according to its members, its work is to make proposals regarding the modernization of Family Law. Until now, matters regarding heterosexual couples (sic) have been discussed, while those regarding same-sex couples will be discussed after January 2011". " [[5]] Accessed 03:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The map makes no sense

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I mean, we should not deal with SSM and civil unions at the same level. If a country's constitution does not allow of SSM, it doesn't necessarily mean it cannot introduce civil unions. Let's take Poland as an example - the civil union matter is under consideration, yet the constitution does not allow of SSM. My idea is to put red dots on those countries whose constitutions prohibit SSM but the countries themselves should be painted in blue (if they have cvil unions), yellow (if they consider introducing them) or grey (if they do nothing about it). --Jaro7788 (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Hungary defines marriage as oposite-sex union, but it's blue (why not red?) - because there is a civil union also in Hungary. Image has lack of factual accuracy because it says that those countries that have marriage as union "one man + one woman" by constitution can't have civil union for same-sex couples. That is not true. For ex. Poland, Hungary... Croatia will probably vote on referendum for the definition of marriage as "man+woman" in it's Constitution. That definition won't danger the unregistered cohabitation of same-sex couples (light blue currently on the map). So, will Croatia stay light blue or became red? Why is Hungary blue? There should be purple at least. Chvrka (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Red colour

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I think this red colour can be confused by "Life in prison" or "Death penalty" according to the others lgbt maps in the world. --Eddo (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is used similarly to File:Samesex marriage in USA.svg and File:Defense of marriage amendment types US.svg. Hekerui (talk) 15:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Denmark

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Denmark must be dark blue, because the parliament decided to open the marriage. It will be opened next friday. -- 79.224.79.75 14:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

France

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Just to be clear : a bill legalizing same-sex marriage is currently being discussed by the French National Assembly. On Feb, 2 the first article defining marriage as the union of two persons of the same sex or different sexes was voted upon. But this does not mean the bill has been passed: it must be passed by the National Assembly in its entirety, then the Senate, then being promulgated by the president. This should happen by April or May 2013. --Superbenjamin (talk) 22:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The bill ins't pass yet : now the Constitutional Council of France has to verify the constitutionality of the law.

England and Wales

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They need to be dark blue, as the bill has received Royal Assent and is now an Act. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.220.55.241 (talk) 15:33, 17 July 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

England and Wales are now dark blue; but Northern Ireland has been made dark blue as well, which is an error. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 08:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Corrected! --Francis Christian (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scotland should now be also darkblue. Scottish parliament voted with Yes for same-sex marriage on 4th February 2014.--188.96.176.44 03:57, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It has not yet been signed into law. When it is, then we should update the map. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Malta

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In April 2014, Malta allowed civil unions.

--47.68.254.176 21:01, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's passed the Maltese Parliament, but still needs to be signed by the President. See en:Recognition of same-sex unions in Malta. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 10:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The President will sign. He already said that. --188.96.228.58 14:30, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Malta is cyan (Foreign marriages recognized) but this country also allows civil unions. I think we should colour Malta striped cyan/blue or give footnote, because current status can be misleading. What do you think? --Simon 015 (talk) 11:33, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would be against trying to stripe that little dot, it would barely be recognizable what it is supposed to portray. The maps, as far as I know, have had greater relationship recognition override lower forms. While we could debate the finer points of which is more accessible to same-sex couples, most pages this map is on also have sections explaining the status of Malta, so I think adding a footnote would be redundant. That said, I'm relatively indifferent to what should be done. I do think that the whole striping thing, particularly Croatia and Hungary should be removed. The constitutional ban on marriage may make it harder to extend those rights, but not impossible. The registered partnership (Hungary) and life partnership (Croatia) are, in my own opinion, what really counts. Striping makes the map look somewhat messy and on certain screens appears a purplish color. Chase1493 (talk) 00:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Malta should be in light blue and not in cyan marked. Malta has allowed civil unions like Germany, Austria or Switzerland. --178.3.25.165 11:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with the map

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Why when I load the svg file to Inkscape can't I see Faroe Islands, Jersey, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Gibraltar spots on the map ? And I see a blue spot to the north of Spain. Thereby I can't do any changes in the map... — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaVski (talk • contribs) 21:19, 15 April 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Two people (including myself) replied at en:File talk:Same sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg#Problem with the map. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 21:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia

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Macedonia just enacted constitutional ban.

Estonian "Cohabitation Act"

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Estonia has recently (9 October 2014) passed legislation to recognize same-sex unions (see here and here too (estonian only)). This law doesn't come into effect until 2016, but the color of Estonia should be changed, right? Jimpaz (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, precedent here is that we change the map only when the law actually comes into effect. Until the laws come into effect, civil unions/marriage are not available, and presumably the law would often be open to challenge during that time. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 19:25, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is not true. The map is updated when the law is signed. See the map's summary/legend. Ron 1987 (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Finland

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As of today, Finland approved same sex marriage: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/28/finland-legalises-gay-marriage --→ Airon Ĉ 12:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The bill has now passed the Finnish parliament's final vote (http://yle.fi/uutiset/second_vote_approval_of_gender-neutral_marriage_bill/7685185), so the map should reflect this (Finland should be in dark blue as it has a passed law not yet in effect). The other changes mentioned in the Yle article do not directly affect the marriage law, i.e. the law has been passed regardless of whether they are acted upon, though it is hoped that the time given is adequate to streamline all relevant legislation by the time the marriage law takes effect (these other laws mentioned have to do with transgender laws etc. which require slight rewording. The current decision mandates the government to prepare changes for these laws by end of 2015 - the government may act otherwise, and each law need to be passed by the parliament, but there is no reason to think that these laws affect passing the gay marriage law which is said to take effect by March 2017 latest). Sorry for the long text, it is a slightly complex situation, but the law has definitely been passed (the president has not yet signed it, but this is of no practical consequence, is unlikely to make headlines, and there is no doubt that he will sign it - he has already given statements to the effect that he accepts the decision). I don't know how to change the map myself. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.88.175 (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

President signed it today; it will take another two years to adjust various related laws before couples can actually marry; but I think that the map needs to reflect the situation that it is nonetheless legal as of today. Maybe striped dark blue like Colombia? Probably no-one will read this message anyway. No-one seems to respond to nay suggestions on this page anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 178.48.206.232 (talk) 14:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the box at the top of this page: discussion for this map takes place at its file talk page on English Wikipedia: File talk:Same sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 15:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Monaco, Ceuta, Melilla

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Monaco, Ceuta, Melilla are missing from the map. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.99.70.183 (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, actually I see them, but maybe Ceuta and melilla should be dots (as opposed to scratches)? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.99.70.183 (talk) 19:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the box at the top of this page: discussion for this map takes place at its file talk page on English Wikipedia: File talk:Same sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 15:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia

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Constitutional ban enacted. Can someone change the map? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.225.200.93 (talk) 13:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the box at the top of this page: discussion for this map takes place at its file talk page on English Wikipedia: File talk:Same sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 15:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenia

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Slovenia should be now marked darkblue in map. Same-sex marriage law is signed by Slowenian president Miro Cerar. --178.3.27.96 12:47, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Map should be updated. Slovenia should be marked darkblue. --88.70.219.92 14:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Belarus should be red

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This map is wrong because Belarus should be gray not red. In 1994, Belarus constitutionally banned same-sex marriage. So therefore it should be red. --Adinils 6428 13:31, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Italy should be red

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Right now, they are illegal. --Paolotacchi (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Croatia and Hungary discrepancy

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Noticed that the new version is different from the previous map version that showed both Croatia and Hungary stripped red and blue. Now they are both solid blue. Did something change? - Ghal416 22:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed this too; maybe something when wrong when the map was altered for Ireland. Croatia and Hungary have very clear constitutional bans of same-sex marriage and should be striped red/blue, as they were until now.
Somebody did remove the striping; I've restored it now. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 14:17, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

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I know Israel is not in Europe, but I think we should colour it cyan. --Simon 015 (talk) 11:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Stripes

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As it currently stands, Croatia and Hungary are striped to indicate their constitutional bans on marriage, while simultaneously showing that they allow a similar relationship scheme. My question would be: is striping really necessary? Hear me out here. Both of these countries have taken steps to create a mechanism for recognition. My qualm is that on certain monitors, particularly those with a higher brightness or contrast, these countries look more akin to purple than they do as a striped pattern. Similarly, we do not stripe the countries that have opened marriage to same-sex couples, but retain their similar schemes (i.e. France, the U.K., etc.). The ban is there yes, but there are rights afforded to same-sex couples and down the road, those bans could be repealed. Will it be more difficult, yes. Does that mean we have to have a sloppy looking pattern to show this, I don't really think so. Can we just do away with the stripes and leave these two countries as a solid color? I guess I'm just anal about this, but if we really feel the need to do that, we might as well another shade of pink to show every country that has a statutory ban on marriage/similar relationship scheme as well; that would look horrible, but it would be more consistent. Just a thought. I'll put this on the other talk page too. Chase1493 (talk) 02:00, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus: November 2015, Civil unions allowed

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In November 2015, Cyprus allowed civil unions by parliament vote. --92.76.110.86 04:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone mark Republic Cyprus as blue in map ? --88.70.222.109 01:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Guernsey: Same-sex marriage allowed

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Can someone mark Guernsey in dark-blue in map ? --88.70.222.109 01:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greece: Same-sex unions allowed

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On 22th December 2015 Greece allowed by parliament decision civil unions. So Greece should be marked in blue in Map.

--Laribola345 (talk) 01:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Statutory bans and same-sex marriage

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I noticed Turnless made an update to the map and I would be interested in a community conversation. (The addition of a new color to indicate same-sex marriage is banned by statute, but not Constitutional law.)

My first reaction was negative (largely in part because I don't like seeing red on the map), but later looking at it, I realized it was true that same-sex marriage was banned in those areas and did convey that point. My next question was: What about all of the countries that are light blue now? Would they all get hash marks? Would that make the map confusing? (It would send its point across.) Yet this was the map format for same-sex marriage in the United States.. I remember before the wave of states gaining marriage there were states with civil unions and had the pink/light blue slash marks.

This fear is partly irrational on my part, but I also wonder if demarcating where it is statutorally but not Constitutionally banned, as well as where any law in that regard is absent that it could lead to a "race to turn red."

Would anyone like to weigh-in on any or all of this? (Community question) I also value your opinion, Turnless , and would like to hear your thinking on your decision to make this change.

Thanks! TenorTwelve (talk) 23:38, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply] 

TenorTwelve (talk) 23:38, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Isle of Man

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Same-sex marriage finally approved in Isle of Man. Isle of Man should be marked in dark blue colour.

--Quittenträger (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Danish islands Färöer

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On April 29, 2016 Färöer Islands approved same-sex marriage by parliament. So Färöer Islands should be marked in dark blue colours.

--178.3.27.183 19:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Italy becomes Civil union

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On 11 May, 2016 Italian politicians back civil unions for same-sex couples. So Italy should be marked in light blue. --Xerwstgw (talk) 17:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

--Xerwstgw (talk) 17:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nagorno-Karabakh

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Hi Turnless, I saw you re-reverted my edit. However, on the same link you provided, http://nkr.am/en/constitution/9/ , I see "Women and men enjoy the right to marriage" (art. 38.2) and not "a man and a woman" like you said. That's what the link you provided says. I don't know if that's the original translation from the Armenian version, but I couldn't find another source to verify it. Kind regards --Baronedimare (talk) 21:06, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The translation to Armenian and Russian is provided on the website. The original text in Armenian and Russian reads "A man and a woman" limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples. The translation to English has a few translation errors such as this one. --Turnless (talk) 21:09, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

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It can be discussed whether or not Greenland or Cyprus are part of Europe, although they have strong political and cultural ties with continental Europe. However, Israel is definitely not part of Europe.

It should be decolored, or either, all the rest of the countries that also appear in the map should also be colored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaddyCell (talk • contribs) 14:22, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Greenland is most certainly NOT part of Europe and should not be included on this map. It can be included in the North America version. Actually I checked and it is. 209.147.97.21 18:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All the countries that appear in the map should be coloured. If you don't wanna see Greenland coloured then upload a map where it does not appear at all --Baronedimare (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same-sex marriage allowed on Jersey AND Guernsey

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Jersey

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It was approved by the Assembly on 22 September 2015.

Guernsey

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A bill was approved by the States, in a 33-5 vote, on 21 September 2016. The first marriages are expected to happen sometime in 2017.

--178.3.22.130 22:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I updated the map accordingly --Baronedimare (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We should wait until the laws pass through all of the final stages and receive royal assent before changing the colour on the maps. --Turnless (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Royal assent was already given in Jersey and Guernsey !!! --188.96.185.224 00:12, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have not heard of royal assent being given. Could you provide a source specifying that? --Turnless (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same-sex marriages in Gibraltar

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A bill was approved by parliament in Gibraltar. The first marriages are expected to happen sometime in 2017.

--178.11.12.33 17:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another source in English: Gibraltar passes new law which will enable same sex couples to marry in civil ceremonies, tyk (talk) 14:24, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aldreney and Sark

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How about adding Alderney and Sark as separate jurisdictions? Both have their own marriage laws so it seems appropriate.

--Extended Cut (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greenland

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Greenland is definitely not part of Europe. Greenland is part of North America. It is even part of the North American version of this map. There is no reason why it should be included here. It's so far away they even have to extend the map to include it and even then they can't fit all of it. 209.147.97.21 18:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See Israel--Baronedimare (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Coloured Israel as promotional use

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Israel is been coloured just because it appears in the map. There are no reason to colour it and apply a different standard for the rest of the countries that also appear in the map (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia). This bias can be seen as a mean of promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaddyCell (talk • contribs) 11:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no bias. None of the countries you have mentioned have a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. If they did, they would have been added as well. --Growupon (talk) 08:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017: Germany and Malta

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Germany and Malta should be coloured in darkblue. Both coutries allowed by parliament same-sex marriages.

Germany

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The Germany will must colored in darkblue after the 1st October, not before. The law come in force from this date — Preceding unsigned comment added by DR5996 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]


In the German constitution the marriage in Art. 6 Abs. 1 GG is only between men and women. According to BVerfG. So it should be darkblue and red!

--188.105.85.44 13:12, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Malta

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--178.11.188.153 21:09, 12 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Терпр (talk • contribs) 13:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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