Commons talk:WikiVoc

Template tests

Template Name: Template:Wikivoc

brush

un pinceau

brush

un pinceau

otter

une loutre

Functions need to find automatically the kind of file (bw/red/order) and the country (/t/j) (see here)

Funtion	Wished	Explanations	Currently
{{PAGENAME}}	的-jbw.png	Nom de la page sans l'espace de noms	WikiVoc
From here, I take the exemple of 的-jbw.png. In ACClicense and SOlicense templates, 的-jbw.png will be replaced by {{PAGENAME}}.
{{#sub:的-jbw.png|0|1}}	的	fonction peu claire : caractères 1 de la chaîne ?	Template:Sub:的-jbw.png
{{#replace:的-jbw.png|jbw.png|japanese }}	«japanese »	Remplace une sous-chaîne de caractères par une autre	Template:Replace:的-jbw.png
{{#explode:的-jbw.png|-|1}}	jbw.png	Découpe une chaîne de caractères par « - » , et renvoit le énième morceau	Template:Explode:的-jbw.png
{{#urlencode:的}}	%E7%9A%84	Encode du lisible into du code	%E7%9A%84

sementic polution

our image are as much as possible free of all sementic polution That's an interesting statement. From a multilingual point of view in-image captions are semantic pollution too. --Slomox (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

As I said, hide the caption is EASY using a script. And my background as one of the pionniers of SVG on commons, the very pionnier in animated SVG (1st upload), and SVG script conception with Blr (script 1: finding an object and coloring it ; script2: explose a complex SVG into hundred of basic SVG), lead me to think that I have more understanding of the question that some commentators who said naively "we can't easily localize text inside SVG".

Text are easely findable.

The syntaxe is <text .... >{{{Word}}}</tspan></text>

The color of this have to be change from fill:#0978ab;fill-opacity:1 , to fill:#0978ab;fill-opacity:0 , and the captation is hide.

Yes, most of the languages courses teach today are about English. English is what linguist call the major 'Macro language', the one which can be translate in all others.

These images aim also, and that's an important point, to be printed. No word will thus be confusing: no word is not a language.

The Blank version thus should be a possibility, not the main feature.

PS: you are free to make blank copies, name them File:WikiVoc-{{{1}}}-blank.svg, and to categorize them in Category:Category:WikiVoc-blank.

Yug (talk) 16:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

English has in no way any special status in the world. English is in no way the major language for language learning. If you claim SVG expertise, I claim expertise about language relations. English is not special.

In the section above you present the {{Wikivoc}} template. First parameter base language, second parameter aim language. That's all what you need to create any learning material in any language and it will be perfectly printable. The image just has to be language-neutral. I mean: what's the point of showing the string "brush" twice? --Slomox (talk) 16:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm still making tests. Since several users noticed the need of a blank serie, I created this template with both style in mind. The template is not finish. A {if} will come to display one, or 2 languages.

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For languages: I learnt English (en-3), Chinese (zh-3), Korean (ko-2) and Persian (1), I have a bachelor degree in Chinese studies, major as 'Teaching of French as foreign language'. For far language teaching (ex: Japanese <=> italian), I already had taugh French to Chinese students, and learnt Chinese through English, as well as all my Japaneses, Koreans, Thailandeses, Italians and Philippines clasmates were doing so, using English to learn the extrem far language that is Chinese.

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In sum, English is -yes, and that's a French who have to say this- the "Pierre de Rosette", the key stone of the language teaching/learning. Teachers needs images with it. If need, also provide blank images is great. We, wikipedians, programmers, wikibook, don't care of captation: templates are fine for us.

This project is not ONLY for wikipedians. So English + a SVG script hiding English captation is, YES, the best way to process. Yug (talk) 17:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:WikiVoc

I changed the template to be just a marker template with some information (and advertising) about this project (like many templates for other wikiprojects). It is better to use the standard license and information templates directly on the image pages. There is not really any special "WikiVoc license", it is just ordinary PD-self (possibly together with a CC license). And the information template created by the WikiVoc template did not really contain much information, just see above, see below and see file upload history. /Ö 11:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

>___< . No, you didn't understood this template aim. There is no special license, that's true. But YES, we want to FORCE the usage of the dual "PD-self + CC-by-sa-3.0". I will have to roll back your edits, which you should have discut here first. XD Yug (talk) 17:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, you know "PD-self + CC-by-sa-3.0" doesn't make sense. You can't license something if it's in the public domain. PD means there is no copyright, and without copyright, there's absolutely nothing to make the license mean anything. :) Rocket000 (talk) 18:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I know that the PD-self "kill" the CC-by-sa. Yes. But, the PD-self is need to ease the usage of these pics by teachers, who then don't HAVE TO cite the source. Ok. On the other side, the CC-by-sa is need, it 'encourage' the users to cite the source, allowing other ot find the full set them too. The CC license will help the project to be know.

A Dual license state that the downloader can use the license her/he want. The downloader is then free, to use the PD license, without having to cite the source, or to use the CC license, then HAVING TO cite the source. Yug (talk) 09:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

[PS: a CC-by-3.0 may be more suitable than a CC-by-sa] Yug

Important to notice, the dual template state:

« You may select the license of your choice. »

Yug (talk) 10:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

But PD isn't a license. That aside, I don't think it's too much to ask uploaders to use PD-self only. Look at OpenClipart. People understand that even a simple requirement like attribution can prevent some important educational use. It's also worth noting that most people will give credit where they can even if they are not required to. Rocket000 (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so let's go for the PD-self alone ! : ] Yug (talk) 03:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Project mentionned/discussed

Here. --Nemo 14:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)