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When someone thanks us for voting, this creates a dopamine “hook” in voters generating pleasure with social validation and recognition in FPC. Therefore, positive recognition when voting could be reinforcing participation in said behavior through the feeling of gratification from the nominations. Instead of manipulating behaviors through rewards that activate the dopamine system, promote a voting culture based on conscious deliberation and commitment to judgment over photos. Encouraging users to vote based on the merit of the actual quality of the compositions or characteristics of the photo and not in the search for social approval or immediate rewards. Wilfredor (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Valid point. A few minutes ago, I voted keep on some deletion requests by one user, delete on others, and expressed doubts on others. I was thanked for the delete votes, not for the votes in which the nominator is still in disagreement with me. I found that somewhat bemusing, because in no case was I voting for or against the nominator, but just based on my interpretation of COM:TOO for a few countries, with the exception of one case in which a file was clearly freely licensed (I was thanked for that, too). I recognize that some people may be swayed by thanks, as you say. But while your point is valid, I don't see how it could be enforced, so I think there's no real use in making such a guideline change. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
I know that "thanks" is one of the public logs, but it only seems to show when someone thanked and who they thanked. Is there any way to find out what they thanked them for. It might be interesting to know which nominators are only thankful for praise :-)
We all come from different cultures so I suspect some will think it rude not to thank someone for a review and some will think it is too much. If anyone doesn't like being thanked, or would prefer not to be influenced by thanks, then they can turn off the notifications in their preferences.
I just wanted to thank you for this comment (not the thanks link), I think you are right, although I have never received so many thanks in all my years talking to other users and leaving notes on their discussion pages compared to the thanks I receive on FPC. I feel, and I may be wrong, that section became like some kind of ego masturbation where the most important thing is to compulsively obtain more FP instead of improving the quality as a photographer by providing quality images with varied themes ( Example, excessive church theme) Wilfredor (talk) 19:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Proposal as fanciful as it is impractical. Please don't click on "thanks", lol Don't thank anyone or you'll be banned! -- Basile Morin (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Comment IMO this is a solution is search of a problem. I rarely thank people for voting, and I don't expect to be thanked for my votes. I may thank for a useful comment. But if people want to thank others, I don't mind and I don't care. And I don't see how this could be enforced. Yann (talk) 09:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
In search of a problem, yes I agree. Personally I appreciate gratitude and usually see that as a mark of politeness. I also understand when someone does not thank me after I opposed, the simplest explanation is that we have different points of view. I can be right, they can be right too -- Basile Morin (talk) 08:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't think setting ones own feelings towards giving thanks as a standard is helpful here. I for example usually don't thank people for their votes, because I feel it is inappropriate. I sometimes thank people for their helpful comments which are part of the vote, no matter if that vote is positive or negative. Kritzolina (talk) 09:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per Yann. For me, it's a sign of gratitude for taking the time to vote. There is also no logistical way of enforcing this without spending endless hours on Special:log/thanks. --SHB2000 (talk) 10:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Taking the time to vote, but above all to review. Who knows how long you spent on a picture, sometimes inspected in detail, before leaving a brief assessment? -- Basile Morin (talk) 10:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
My perspective on thanking is that, since we already know that people are grateful for support of their work, thanking everyone for supporting doesn't really mean anything. I thank people for good advice, a novel perspective, or otherwise for a constructive comment that I find unusually kind or helpful. Otherwise, again, I feel like it can be taken for granted that I'm thankful for support. This is not something we need rules for, in part for the same reasons: we already know that people are grateful for support, so adding a "thanks" doesn't mean anything to cultivate a special relationship. At least not as far as I'm concerned. I wish people would use thanks judiciously at FPC to separate standard gratitude from a higher level of gratitude, but people are free to use it however they want. — Rhododendritestalk | 16:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
The only thing I can add to the discussion above, is that here on Commons 'thanks' also serve as our marker that we have read a comment. Most online interactions these days have 'opened' and 'read'/'viewed' indicators. We don't have anything that sophisticated, so usually a 'thanks' will do instead so that the users writing a comment know that we have read it. I frequently use the 'thanks' button for this purpose. --Cart(talk)16:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
+1, also in agreement. In my opinion, thanking is a gesture of gratitude in any kind of constructive editing. The social aspect of working together is just as important in the Wikiverse as it is in the teamwork of everyday working life. With best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Other people don't thank the oppose votes? I'm not very good at consistency with thanking for votes, but if I do, I don't discriminate by what they vote, and I honestly always appreciate a well-argued oppose. Hell, I can point to a really good one. Draceane's in Commons:Featured_picture_candidates/File:US_Marshals_with_Young_Ruby_Bridges_on_School_Steps.jpg is a completely and totally valid oppose vote, that highlights a change in how voting on Commons now recognises EV to some extent when, by the rules, it shouldn't. In some ways, it might be the only vote to use rules as writtrn. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:36, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
+1 to this. I've received plenty of thanks for oppose votes in the past, and in the rare cases I nominated something myself I've tried to make sure to thank opposers and supporters equally. I've always taken it as a "thanks for taking the time to review my nomination". --El Grafo (talk) 08:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I took care of the not closed FPCs before because the bot didn't. Usually doing that the problem is solved because there was an issue in any of those noms that the bot couldn't cope with. So, if we do the job by hand then hopefully the problem is gone and in a few hours the bot runs smoothly, we'll see Poco a poco (talk) 15:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, I archived the completed noms, added the star and let nominators and authors know. Only when you do this work manually you do realize what a great thing is to have a bot... Poco a poco (talk) 10:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
@Yann and Poco a poco: Well the good news is I've figured out what the issue is (i.e. what has changed). The bad news, I have no idea how to fix it (yet). More Googling to come.... -- KTC (talk) 14:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
I find discussions that are just centered on putting blame on other users extremely disruptive and know from professional knowledge that they will not help in resolving the underlying issues. Let us not continue to talk about users and their mistakes, let's talk about possible solutions to problems without naming names. Kritzolina (talk) 13:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Te dare el mismo consejo que le di a Arion, ignora completamente, enfocate en los aspectos positivos e intenta mejorar tecnicamente pero llega un punto en el que vez que un usuario esta simplemente inventando cosas para joder, entonces ignora. Saludos Wilfredor (talk) 11:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not intend to be rude. I wanted to stop a dynamic that apparently I can't stop anyhow. I think I will leave the FI pages for a while. Kritzolina (talk) 20:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm getting a little uncomfortable with some of the aforementioned user's comments; vide here and the canvassing discussion. ★00:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Both of you should take a step back from each other. Simply accusing each other of this and that will only go in circles, irregardless of who was in the right and who was in the wrong. My 2c is that neither parties involved are in the wrong from a policy standpoint, but that is beyond the point. --SHB2000 (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
The last resort should be an IBAN between the two of you, which I sincerely hope it doesn't escalate to that point. --SHB2000 (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
ArionStar's rush
ArionStar should learn to take the time. 🕐 Nominating too quickly, withdrawing too quickly, requesting huge effort and attention to the reviewers, sometimes breaking our rules -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I believe we are facing a matter of great seriousness, and minimizing its importance through ridicule is not the proper way. I am still waiting for an apology for the baseless accusations of "canvassing," which were seen as an unjustified contempt towards Brazilians. I consider that this conflict is not only between Basile and Arion; after all, Basile's behavior, following his erroneous accusation, has proven to be disturbing. I asked Arion, in a private message, to opt for ignoring this conflict, a path that has proven effective for me previously with other users, given that indifference usually discourages such behaviors. Nonetheless, I believe that comments of this nature in a FPC are out of place and must cease, especially when they refer to years ago past events from another nomination, for which I have already apologized on numerous occasions. Basile's attitude is uncomfortable for me, yes, but even more so is his provocative behavior and the lack of respect he shows. I recognize Basile as a talented photographer, whose work I deeply admire. I trust that his maturity will eventually be reflected in his conduct, and that this disruptive cycle will come to an end. If not, I would like to be considered for a mutual ban along with Arion. --Wilfredor (talk) 11:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Wilfredor here. Blaming for past mistakes does not help maintaining a cordial atmosphere. Yann (talk) 12:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
It's not a "blame" it's an important reminder. Otherwise, how do you want to explain? See Wilfredor's undeclared manipulations below -- Basile Morin (talk) 12:43, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
@Wilfredor: Sometimes you just have to step away from an otherwise serious dull and pensive conversation and make it more lighthearted. That's one way of resolving things. --SHB2000 (talk) 20:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I understand your perspective, but I believe that respect is essential in all our interactions. We cannot downplay attitudes or behaviors of this kind by treating them as mere jokes or pranks. Wilfredor (talk) 21:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
That's fair. Basile's lightheartedness was mostly with me, though, and I am not directly involved in this dispute. --SHB2000 (talk) 21:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Let's consider moving past this incident. I understand you and recognize your good intentions. Similarly, with Basile, my concerns are with his actions, not with him as a person. This isn't about personal grievances; it's about preserving respect among us. As we grow closer, almost like a family, I sincerely hope we can put this situation behind us and focus on maintaining the harmony that binds us together. Wilfredor (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Wilfredor's undeclared manipulations
The problem with Wilfredor's undeclared manipulations is that they are misleading to many of us. Either they concern
For the lambda users, it's misleading, and for the reviewers, it's often a hell to find these "mistakes", especially because Wilfredor seems to fool us with contradictory affirmations like "I have always been against photo retouching". That's why I find important to indicate what modifications have been done on the pictures. Several of us ask the same. It should be obvious, and the normal way of contributing, unfortunately repetitive undeclared manipulations pop up at FPC again and again from the same user. So how to explain?
adding to this, the issues with ChatGPT, vulgarity, Topaz Gigapixels, etc., it's hard to keep smiling all the time. -- Basile Morin (talk) 12:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
That Carcasas Building photo is extremely concerning. How do you expect anyone to trust your contributions when you submit this sort of thing without disclosing how it was produced? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
This was 10 years ago, and I have apologized on several occasions. I even thought about withdrawing all my FPs or withdrawing from this section, but some users convinced me not to do it, including Colin. I know it will never be enough to apologize so I do it again. At that time, a dictatorial regime was leaving Venezuela and I wanted to make fun of them in some way for having destroyed my country. It's not a justification, I know it's something that wasn't right and I never thought anyone would think it was a real image. But I think it's not right to bring this up over and over again to justify personal attacks or intimidation. Wilfredor (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Very sad this situation, ever asking for money for a job that was not even funded by him. I would like to think that everything is false Wilfredor (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
It could be, although it doesn't seem to be something just about Basile with me but also with the group of Brazilians, or also the other case above. Here there are not two equal parties attacking each other but one party with toxic behavior. I am willing to do whatever is necessary to ensure respect. Wilfredor (talk) 19:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't think there was any need for any of this. Suggesting that Basile Morin take a break from FPC was bound to provoke a negative reaction. Please can we not all attempt to feed endless interpersonal drama and focus on reviewing photos. One person already seems to have got fed up with it and decided it isn't worth taking part (see post from Kritzolina above). Cmao20 (talk) 22:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Just to make it clear - it is not Wilfredor's behaviour that is making me feel super uncomfortable here since a few weeks. There are other things going on that are making me almost sick. The post from Wilfredor was just the last straw that broke the camel's back. The FI page is making me want to cry often these days. Kritzolina (talk) 06:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Commons can become more of a drama forum at times (just like my home wiki's "inner club"...). --SHB2000 (talk) 12:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes, that was especially concerning when our reusers had to be victimised – more than any of our internal sagas. --SHB2000 (talk) 01:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Here this is the COM:FPC talk page. Not personal talk page administration.
Wilfredor, "ignore", "ignore", "ignore", "tired", "tired", tired", but visiting us frequently to request more attention on pity issues.
Personal talk pages are "personal".
Comment IMO this is a solution is search of a problem. I rarely thank people for voting, and I don't expect to be thanked for my votes. I may thank for a useful comment. But if people want to thank others, I don't mind and I don't care. And I don't see how this could be enforced. Yann (talk) 09:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per Yann. For me, it's a sign of gratitude for taking the time to vote. There is also no logistical way of enforcing this without spending endless hours on Special:log/thanks. --SHB2000 (talk) 10:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Works again, thanks -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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On hold Busy now. Will inspect all and respond quietly soon, in 1 hour or two. -- Basile Morin (talk) 23:26, 29 March 2024 (UTC)