Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives January 31 2024

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Consensual review[edit]

File:D-6-74-187-13_Marienstatue.jpg[edit]

  • Nomination 1933 statue of Mary in Falsbrunn --Plozessor 05:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •  Support Good quality.--Agnes Monkelbaan 05:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose The clouds are overexposed, sorry. --Tournasol7 05:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Comment I'd appreciate discussion about this 'overexposed clouds' issue. On a slightly cloudy day, you can't take a reasonable picture of an object in the shadow without parts of the brightest sunlit clouds overexposed. This could be worked around only with HDR, but I haven't read anywhere that HDR would be a prerequisite for QI. Personally, I would consider overexposed clouds a flaw in landscape photos, but not where the subject is a small object on the ground. --Plozessor 05:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose No need for HDR here, this is simply overexposed. Not only the clouds, but also some parts of the object itself are clipping. With better exposure and some s-curving the contrast could have been handled. Note: Always select the lowest possible ISO setting that still allows a blur-free photo. All digital cameras then record the largest possible contrast range. With each whole step higher ISO setting, one f-stop of contrast range is automagically lost. And this is then missing when you fiddle around with a JPG from the raw image. (Subsequent S-curving of an already "developed" JPG is only useful to a very limited extent, as this can easily lead to banding or torn tonal value gradients). --Smial 08:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  • @Smial: This was taken with the "lowest possible ISO setting" that my camera offers (ISO 100), and of course I applied all settings during RAW conversion, I did NOT "fiddle around with a JPG". Still, even the contrast range of an APS-C sensor at ISO 100 might not be enough to provide high detail for an object in the shadow AND for the bright sunlit parts of clouds. With higher exposure we lose detail in the clouds, with lower exposure we lose detail in the shadows. The subject of the image is the statue (not the landscape), and QI guidelines specifically say that an image must have enough details "in the shadows", so I wanted to get the best possible representation of the statue and did not care about the clouds. --Plozessor 09:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  • @Smial, @Tournasol7, I've found that I made another shot with lower exposure. Replaced the image now, please evaluate the new one (make sure you don't view the old version from cache). This has now probably less detail for the statue, but the overall exposure is better. --Plozessor 10:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Question Which part of the Rules do you refer to? I found "Lack of shadow detail is not necessarily a negative characteristic. In fact, it can be part of the desired effect. Burned highlights in large areas are a distracting element." And: " In correctly exposed images, details in a significant part of image are retained. " - well in a photo with sky and clouds in the composition, these are always significant.My comment about the ISO settings was not meant as a personal criticism, but as a general help with a practical example for anyone who is happy to receive tips. --Smial 11:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  • @Smial: Yeah, interesting, the description says "lack of shadow detail is not necessarily a negative characteristic" while the left column of that same row ("Exposure") lists "lost details in shadow areas" as an issue. Anyway, what do you think about the new version? --Plozessor 12:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Support Good enough for QI. --Palauenc05 09:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
  •  Support OK in my eyes. --Ermell 19:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose → Promoted   --Mike Peel 00:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)