Commons:Featured media candidates/File:Maurice Ravel - Miroirs - 1. Noctuelles.flac

File:Maurice Ravel - Miroirs - 1. Noctuelles.flac, featured

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• Category: Commons:Featured sounds/Music
•  Info created by Olena Havyk-Sheremet via the Lviv Conservatory - uploaded to commons by User:Юрій_Булка - nominated by me ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 06:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Comment High-quality lossless FLAC file with a bitrate of 1.11Mbps. This is exemplary audio. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 06:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 06:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support - per its good quality -- Eatcha (Talk-Page ) 07:35, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Comment - Fantastic rendition! But for us to feature the file, doesn't it need specific information, such as specifically who performed it and a biography of said performer? I tried doing a web search on her name - which shouldn't be necessary if this were featurable - and I turned up no real information. I would also want some kind of program note about the movement, but I think that's unnecessary because there is a Wikipedia article about the work. However, the categorization seems insufficient to me. Is there no category of "Miroirs (Music by Ravel)" or something similar? If there isn't, shouldn't it be created? For all of these reasons, I would like to oppose. Please explain to me why I'm wrong. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:50, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Ikan Kekek: You are right — solid point that I totally missed out. I will attempt to fix the issue later; am currently busy and am on mobile. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 08:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

•  Comment - Found this Lviv Conservatory .pdf with her Cyrillic name on it, by looking up her Cyrillic name. Unfortunately, Ikan, I can't seem to translate the article with Google Translate. It automatically downloads the document to my phone, and I can't seem to copy the text. Do you know of any Ukrainian-speaking Wikimedians who may be able to be of assistance to us? ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 08:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• The guidelines state that the names of the performers are necessary only if known, though. Now that we have that, perhaps further details are unnecessary? I'm not sure. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 08:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• In a case in which the performer doesn't have a Wikipedia article, I think we should require some biographical information. In this case, we don't even know whether she's faculty or a fantastic student performer. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Ikan Kekek: Point noted and agreed. The most substantial piece of information about the performer that I could find was the document I linked above; it may provide information. I'll try to find someone to translate it in the meantime. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 08:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Ikan Kekek: I managed to come in contact with a colleague of the performer on Facebook — the performer of Category:Sonatine (Ravel) who was also part of the collaboration of the Lviv Conservatory with Wikimedia Ukraine. She gave me a short biography of herself, and proceeded to provide me with the contact information of the performer of this piece, i.e., Olena Havyuk-Sheremet. I have contacted her and am awaiting her response. I believe it is not necessary for me to include a citation for a short and concise biography of her, do I? I have also managed to ascertain that the performances were considered student performances as part of their education at the Lviv Conservatory. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 04:06, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• That's great! "Personal communication" is a citation.  Support in expectation of that information being added. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Ikan Kekek: That would be good news. I am still awaiting the response of Olena (my message seems to be unable to be delivered), but I have acquired permission from the other pianist, Irene, to use the information she wrote. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 14:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Update: I have received a response from her, and will update the information accordingly first thing in the morning when I get on my PC. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 15:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I can only confirm that Olena Havyuk-Sheremet was a student when we made the recording, and it was a student concert. The linked article is by Olena, but not about Olena - it's about Mariya Krushelnytska, a famous Lviv pianist (pinging GerifalteDelSabana) --Yuriy Bulka (talk) 09:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Юрій Булка: Thank you, that is excellent auxiliaty information. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 14:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Fantastic! Does she still play? This is a really great rendition! -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Ikan Kekek: She apparently still does; her latest recital was on the 29th of April! I've also added the performer's biography to the file description page. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 00:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

• Awesome! I love the biography. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

•  Neutral. Too complex music for me. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• @AKA MBG: You should not vote purely based on your opinion of a historical composition. This is a discussion and a nomination based on the technical audio quality and the skill level of the interpretation, not a discussion about the structure and taste of Ravel's piece. It is a composition from the early twentieth-century, and it has been flawlessly performed as it was meant to. If you would like to criticize the composition of the music, I suggest you to invent your own time machine to transport you back to 1904 in order to intervene and stop him from notating it. Cheers! :-) ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 14:46, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

^{But thank you, nevertheless, for not immediately jumping in with an oppose vote. :) -Gerifalte 16:26, 13 May 2019 (UTC)}

• Thank you for this fun comment :) But I think that during selection and discussion of featured sound candidates the principle "WOW" (which is often encountered in discussions of featured pictures) also works for audio composition. So the personal attitude and subjectivity may influence to the overall result. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 17:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• I agree with you that for this historical music the quality is more important. --Andrew Krizhanovsky (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
• Point taken. ― Gerifalte _Del Sabana 04:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

•  Support Recently read an Edwardian work that mentioned this piece. It's a great piece of music. Abzeronow (talk) 15:47, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support This is the first thing I've heard on Featured Sounds that really takes my fancy as being outstanding work. I'll add my voice to those who are advocating that only high-quality lossless audio, or at least audio with a high bitrate, should really be promoted here unless there are strong mitigating reasons. Given the number of audio files there are on Commons I think we can afford to be a bit discriminating as to what we promote. Cmao20 (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support Ravel has the charm. Vulphere 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support This is a WOW all right. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 06:24, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
•  Support This piece from Ravel has charm, indeed! One might differ with the performer on nuances of interpretation, such as pedalling etc; however, both their skill level and that of the recording engineer are superb. Yahya Abdal-Aziz (talk) 06:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed results:
Result: 8 support, 0 oppose, 1 neutral → featured. /Eatcha (talk) 14:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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