Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Mating call of a male Tokay gecko (Gekko gecko).ogg

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Image:Mating call of a male Tokay gecko (Gekko gecko).ogg, not passed

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Voting period ends on 23 Nov 2008 at 08:48:48

This is another test of the proposed featured sound process. Things promoted under these will be considered provisional featured sounds, and will get a cursory review when the process goes fully live. Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tokay gecko mating call
Mating call of a male Tokay gecko (Gekko gecko).
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  •  Info created by and uploaded by Richard Ling - nominated by Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment - I'm sorry to spoil the party but it appears to me that the project of including sounds and videos in the FPC forum is far from getting an adequate consensus. Starting with test nominations and altering the Assessments template in order to accommodate the new featured species is a bit premature, and might be regarded as a way of pushing the decision. I have voted against the idea but will gladly change my opinion if the operational problems I have raised in the discussion page can be solved (for example, what are the proposed guidelines to evaluate sounds?). Maybe you should start by suggesting those criteria before trying to launch the project. The long and carefull preparation phase of Commons:Valued image candidates is an excellent example for all of us on how things should be done. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think you'll agree that the Assessments template should, at the least, cover the English Wikipedia Featured sound project. The way it's coded, that pretty much sorts out Commons Featured Sounds as well. As for the proposed guidelines, Commons:Featured sound criteria sets out some basic guidelines, which I think are suitable for the early stages of such an endeavour.
      • I don't agree. Your getting paranoid. Nobody is excluding sounds. Only you are trying to force it into every images assessing process. That's different, Adam, that's not excluding. You don't give a Nobel prize of literature on the Academy Awards neither! The assessment template was made for pictures. Please make a new one for sounds. Lycaon (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Can we try and avoid criticisms of my statements that criticise points I did not make? To repeat: I set it up so we could mark the sounds featured through en:WP:FS, which pretty much automatically requires preparing the commons version at the same time because of the way the template is set up. K Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The talk page discussion has been very poorly attended, but the last test passed with six supports. I don't know what that means, so let's keep testing the waters and see if we can figure it out. =) Valued images had the advantage of tapping into a pre-existing strong community, and offering a new way to serve it. Sounds do not have that advantage, so I don't think we can move forwards in the same way. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, the last test did not pass as there were no fixed preset criteria to judge sound files. Lycaon (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm with Lycaon on this, your proposed criteria don't give any useful hint on how to evaluate sounds effectively. I really think you should try to convince us by designing a set of new and improved criteria covering all possible sound files: noises, nature sounds, works of art, pop music... In the meantime, I have reverted your changes to the Assessment template. I still remember how it was forced upon us by User:White Cat and am not willing to repeat the experience. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 02:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look, the featured sound project on English Wikipedia was recently practically destroyed by two people harassing all active contributors there until we all left, after I had spent months building it up, and it was about to be included on the English Wikipedia's mainpage.

Having looked into the growth of featured sounds on en-wiki, and considered the problems involved, the main one was that there was no way to let people know that the project even existed, forcing me to act as a one-man advertising band. I am unwilling to go through that again, and am unwilling to make a new project for which there is no pre-existing community unless we can piggyback onto another project for long enough that that community can develop.

Obviously, once the community develops, and the project is known, we can split off again.

Finally, you criticise Featured sounds for having basic criteria. When featured pictures began on cCommons, it had no criteria [1]. Likewise, these are the earliest criteria for the english Wikipedia project (It too went without real standards for a time): [2] Strong, stringent criteria are a sign of a mature project. Featured sounds is a completely new field for commons to go into, we can presume that standards will develop, just like they did for Featured pictures.

Valued images is no real guide here: Valued images was a project set up to service a mature community. featured sound still needs to build that community.

Look, I can understand you being worried about adding sounds to existing projects, but communications on Commons are very poor. While Valued Images only needs a small fraction of a pre-existing community to know it exists, audio will need to build that community frm scratch, and I don't think we can effectively do that, short of us being given a page banner. If it's allowed to piggyback on places where people visit, however, we can develop a community, then split that community off once it matures a little.

There is one other way, but if I'm going to get yelled at horribly simply for making the tiny tweaks necessary for Assessments to have the possibility of dealing ith featured sounds, revitalising MOTD - which, by necessity, would require calling on the translation sevrvices of POTD - is something I'm not going anywhere near. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC) I simply don't see any other way to effectively create a project relating to sounds. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply] 

 result: 1 support, 0 opposes, 0 neutral => test not passed (rule of the 5th day). Lycaon (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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