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File:Traditional Christmas meal on Margarita Island.jpg, not featured[edit]
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- Info I'm very sorry and I apologize if this image is a too strong, but even cruel and bloody images IMHO could be useful to document our cultural heritage, in this case my village on Margarita Island, Las Guevaras. All by -- Wilfredor (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm afraid I strongly disagree, Wilfredo. I see no place here for inhumane butchery practices. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:52, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- The type of photography I take is always a documentating protests, poverty, dictatorship in my country or human savagery.Wilfredor (talk) 22:23, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Are you sure about this nom?! this image is the same like this one, which you already proposed to FPC without success. I don't see a reason to upload the same image twice nor proposing it twice to FP without any improvements. It's also a good practice to mention previous noms. --Poco a poco (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Any improvement?, please take a look more close. I used negative comments from the last nominations to improve the current nomination quality of the photos, I find your comment and I know that is not a presumption of bad faith Wilfredor (talk) 22:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Could you spell them out more? I'm not seeing a very big difference, though I see some. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- I had removed the distracting t-shirt --Wilfredor (talk) 02:05, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, yes, I see that now that I'm paying attention to it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- No presumption of bad faith from me here. I can tell you that. The normal way would have been though 1) uploading a new version of the existing image indicating the changes 2) mentioning here the previous FPC candidate of this image. That's what I pointed out. Nothing more and nothing less. --Poco a poco (talk) 12:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, yes, I see that now that I'm paying attention to it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes thanks Poco --Wilfredor (talk) 13:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Any improvement?, please take a look more close. I used negative comments from the last nominations to improve the current nomination quality of the photos, I find your comment and I know that is not a presumption of bad faith Wilfredor (talk) 22:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support Tomer T (talk) 07:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose sorry, I'm fine with the goat, but the photoshopped hand on the left looks horrific. --El Grafo (talk) 12:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hands of a peasant who has worked all his life tilling the land could different than a normal people, arthritis and other diseases come faster. Additionally, it is what I was looking for here showing the hands of a monster Wilfredor (talk) 13:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry if I wasn't clear: I'm talking about anatomy here, not skin color or texture or anything like this. Of course it needs to be wrinkled and skinny an old. You've achieved that look very well. But the way you attached the back of the hand to the existing fingers (especially the thumb) does not look convincing to me. Something's wrong about the angle, tendons don't seem to match the fingers. --El Grafo (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hands of a peasant who has worked all his life tilling the land could different than a normal people, arthritis and other diseases come faster. Additionally, it is what I was looking for here showing the hands of a monster Wilfredor (talk) 13:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose An interesting and provocative picture that I could see supporting for QI, but it's got too much going on compositionally to be an FP. Daniel Case (talk) 18:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Daniel.--Peulle (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Totally lacks sensuality. Just cruel and repulsive with no redeeming factor -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Please try to be more objective and give less viceral reasons. This was a beautiful activity to share with my family, very common throughout the country during Christmas and I understand that this is something terrible, and I know that many here are vegetarians, however, not all cultures have the same spiritual vision of beliefs. For some countries eating cats and dogs is widely accepted, perhaps we should stop documenting this because it is simply too strong for a western man from a developed country who does not know where the mcdonalds nugets come from?. --Wilfredor (talk) 05:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- It's hard to look at, and I surely respect vegetarians, but goat is delicious, and if you live in a village and have to slaughter animals yourself without some way to make them peacefully unconscious beforehand, this is a humane form of slaughter. Anyone who can't stand to look at this should seriously consider becoming a vegetarian, in my opinion. (Personal aside: when I lived in rural Malaysia, I witnessed many slaughters. It was quite upsetting, but I ate the chicken, goat, water buffalo, etc., though mostly fish, rice, vegetables and fruit, and though I eat mostly vegetables and dairy now that I'm not going to restaurants, I choose to roast a chicken or make chicken soup from scratch every so often, and I used to raise chickens, so I'm very conscious of what I'm doing and do feel guilty about it, but so far, not enough to stop doing it.) I'm just not finding the composition an FP for me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- I absolutely don't care about the men (or the women) eating burgers outside. I'm reviewing this picture. Ugly with no pleasure, photographically. My personal opinion. Regards -- Basile Morin (talk) 05:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Please try to be more objective and give less viceral reasons. This was a beautiful activity to share with my family, very common throughout the country during Christmas and I understand that this is something terrible, and I know that many here are vegetarians, however, not all cultures have the same spiritual vision of beliefs. For some countries eating cats and dogs is widely accepted, perhaps we should stop documenting this because it is simply too strong for a western man from a developed country who does not know where the mcdonalds nugets come from?. --Wilfredor (talk) 05:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The filename should be changed when the nomination is closed. This is a picture of the goat being slaughtered, not the meal. - Ryan Hodnett (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Disgusting motif. --Palauenc05 (talk) 08:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't mind the motif, not so long ago we had the same tradition here in old Sweden, although we used a pig instead. I recall that you have to whip the blood in the bucket during the slaughter to make it ready for making black-pudding. That was traditionally done by a woman. Unfortunately, this is more like a 'how-to-do' photo than an FP. It lacks a wow-y composition or any element that would make it FP material. Also the file name is incorrect as noted above. --Cart (talk) 12:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Cart. I have no intrinsic problem with a motif I find distasteful to look at becoming featured, but I agree with Cart that the composition is not really at FP level. Cmao20 (talk) 15:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Cart. --Gnosis (talk) 17:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Palauenc05--Andrei (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 1 support, 10 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)