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Children learning to play the local drum in northern Region of Ghana
  •  Oppose I’m not seeing (as the title suggests) "children learning to play the drum", I’m seeing one child holding one and others standing in the background unconnected. Well, that might be me, but it’s a bit misleading: a caption should not be necessary for understanding an image, putting it into context. Pushing this issue aside, next thing I see a cluttered and busy background, and the crop with the cut-off hand (and head, in the background) is really a bit unfortunate. Zooming in, the focus appears to be on the drum’s near edge, the face laughing so happily is considerably unsharp. Adding the blueish colours to that, while it’s certainly a nice and moodful image, I do not see one of our very very best ones here. --Kreuzschnabel 22:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kreuzschnabel: Thanks for color correction. FWIW this was not mentioned in QI review, but I agree that your version is better. I will overload to this one if you and the author agree. Otherwise I fully agree with Wilfredor below. There was a mention of lack of diversity on FPC talk page. Here we see the concrete application of the problem. We have very few FP of children compared to bugs/flowers/buildings, so we should accept some minor issues (cropped hand, etc.). This is not a studio shot, so we can't compare the technical issues with images of bugs or flowers. Thanks, Yann (talk) 09:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • My version (meant for demonstration only) has been done from the JPG in question trying to bend the colours back, so quality loss started to pile up already. Would be much better if the author could rework their original, or provide a raw file (even better). On the other point, see my comment on Wilfredor below. It’s true that FP somehow lacks pictures of this kind but that’s not a reason to feature pictures that don’t meet our standards otherwise. Any "quality bonus" for African images, just in order to get more of them featured, could even be considered discriminatory, in terms of "they can’t do better, so let’s accept that". --Kreuzschnabel 09:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • And, as always: Please do not switch the image during voting period. Better withdraw this one and place another nomination for the improved version, to keep votings sorted. --Kreuzschnabel 09:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Technically imperfect, but we have very few images on this subject. I'm already tired of seeing photos of outstanding buildings and giving less importance to places where there are no developed western things or where there is no means of buying super cameras to make perfect images. --Wilfredor (talk) 23:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Comment Please reconsider. While I fully agree we have too few nominations of this kind, the only way of helping this is taking, uploading and nominating excellent ones. Maybe we do need more skilled Commons photographers in Ghana. However, this should never ever be a reason to feature an image with serious issues just for completeness, and this one certainly has serious issues, not just minor flaws. FP is about excellent pictures, it’s not about equilibrium. --Kreuzschnabel 06:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Having been twice to Ghana I sympathise with Wilfredo's comments, but the camera is good quality. However, 1/160 sec was not fast enough to ensure that the child's face is in focus (or the autofocus needs recalibation). The child's hand has also been cropped. Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Sorry, that's a charming smile and a valuable contribution, but in the end it has too many technical issues. In addition to what was already mentioned, the whole picture feels slightly underexposed. At the same time, large patches of highlights in the background are burned out in an unattractive way. The spot to the bottom right of the yellow shirt has been handled reasonably well, but the upper left corner has some major problems that I cannot unsee: looks like burned out highlights were first darkened to a medium grey and then sharpened, leaving a bright halo around them. There's also some motion blur on the drum stick - just enough to make it look unsharp but not enough to feel like the result of a drum stroke. --El Grafo (talk) 12:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose So I think the others are right: distracting background and unfortunate crop of her hand. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose per others. Daniel Case (talk) 03:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 I withdraw my nomination This is not going to succeed. Yann (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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