Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Cam Newton, Joe Webb Dec 2016.jpg
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File:Cam Newton, Joe Webb Dec 2016.jpg, not featured[edit]
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Info created by Keith Allison - uploaded by Thomson200 - nominated by Thomson200 -- Thomson200 (talk) 05:14, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Support -- Thomson200 (talk) 05:14, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Oppose - Undoubtedly a great moment for the team and its fans, but as a still picture, I find that looking at their jump in this background of a crowd hurts my eyes at both full screen and full size and doesn't result in a good composition, in my opinion. Much less importantly, they themselves are a bit grainy at full size, but that really had no effect on my vote. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)- Oppose Per Ikan. lNeverCry 07:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Support The composition is fine with me. As for the grain: Well, there's nothing one could do about it, taking the camera settings into consideration (which I don't question at all). --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 07:20, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ikan --Uoaei1 (talk) 09:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ikan. I can see the attraction of the symmetry of the two figures, but the background completely washes that away. On a less photographic note, I wouldn't be jumping if I was coming to the end of a season that had me chosen as my team's most disappointing player (Super Bowl to fourth-worst passer in the league ... really?) Daniel Case (talk) 17:39, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
- Addendum: I would also like to add to my oppose more copyright party-pooping: The Washington NFL team's I refuse to use their name website states explicitly that "Guests may not reproduce any shots for any commercial use without the written permission of the [team]". I have long held that policies like these mean that we cannot consider pictures taken at the sporting events in question to be free images within the terms of Commons, since attendance at games is purely voluntary and, as the back of the ticket always clearly states, you accept those conditions by the act of passing the gate and entering the venue. The only way around this policy is for someone to get that permission, which has been done on the francophone Wikipedia at contests in France, Switzerland and Quebec.
I know this is not accepted broadly within the community and it is not a policy reason to initiate a deletion (yet), but it is enough for me to oppose an FP for this image. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Comment Trust those big teams to put a dampener on things... Well, with the ridiculous sums they pay their players I guess they have to control their copyrights pretty tight. But if this is like Daniel says, and I have no reason to doubt him, I'll change my vote based on the copyright issue, I want the FPs to be squeaky clean. Oppose Sorry. --cart-Talk 19:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Question You sure, Daniel? To me it seems that the photographer wasn't just a lucky fan who somehow achieved to smuggle in his supertelephoto lense attached to a 1DX Mark II... I'd guess he had offical permission to take (and later on distribute) pictures directly from the field... --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 10:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Martin Falbisoner: OK, it seems like he might have had permission. But even still, I find the crowd in the background distracting. Daniel Case (talk) 05:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: fair enough! --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 08:01, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, I think "House rules" are not enforceable. Jee 03:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
- @Jkdavoor: I know it's not as a matter of policy, but by the same token I am allowed to not support images for FP on those grounds. Daniel Case (talk) 04:07, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
- Addendum: I would also like to add to my oppose more copyright party-pooping: The Washington NFL team's I refuse to use their name website states explicitly that "Guests may not reproduce any shots for any commercial use without the written permission of the [team]". I have long held that policies like these mean that we cannot consider pictures taken at the sporting events in question to be free images within the terms of Commons, since attendance at games is purely voluntary and, as the back of the ticket always clearly states, you accept those conditions by the act of passing the gate and entering the venue. The only way around this policy is for someone to get that permission, which has been done on the francophone Wikipedia at contests in France, Switzerland and Quebec.
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