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All Saints Church Carshalton
  • Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Places/Interiors/Religious buildings
  •  Info created by Diliff - uploaded by Diliff - nominated by Diliff. This is a just regular, suburban, slightly run-down parish church, but with a difference. It is home to a beautiful organ case (and rood screen, visible in the corresponding view) by distintive Gothic Revival architect Ninian Comper, who also designed the rood screen of another London church that I photographed a while ago. Although the image contains a wide view, this organ case is the centrepiece of the image and main subject for the nomination. -- Diliff (talk) 09:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- Diliff (talk) 09:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support So beautiful. And flawless quality. Do you make appointments with the parishes before taking such photographs? --Code (talk) 11:00, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Usually no, but in this case I did as many of the 'hidden gem' suburban churches (and there are many that I haven't visited yet) in London are often not open to the public except on Sundays when they're in use. I contacted the Pastor and asked to visit and he opened it up specifically for me on a very dark overcast rainy day. What you can't see so easily in this photo is that because of the weather outside, the lights were very bright and beautiful in person, but the RAW images had very very warm yellow cast, and it took a lot of WB correction and creative selective desaturation of the scene to make it look natural and neutral again. It was a challenging scene to process. Anyway, that shouldn't have any affect on votes, but I thought you might be interested in that. Diliff (talk) 11:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support Really beautiful! 😄 ArionEstar 😜 (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose I think the wide-angle view was a mistake here. The subject, the organ case, is small and distant from the viewer, and the enlarged/distorted arches on the sides completely dominate one's attention. I suggest (on file description) a 2:3 portrait crop that properly focuses attention on the organ while retaining four windows and sufficient surrounds for context. For a photo of the interior, I think File:All Saints Church Carshalton Interior 6, Surrey, UK - Diliff.jpg is the best of the set. With that, the vertical perspective distortion is minimised due to the high view point, and the horizontal view is not extreme. So one feels confident the proportions are realistic, unlike the nomination here. -- Colin (talk) 12:30, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think there's any object in this scene that is unrealistically stretched out of proportion in a way that you could argue about in other ultrawide images of mine... Maybe you're just more sensitive to the proportions of the arches than I am, I think they look about as you would expect when you're underneath them, looking upwards. Anyway, I agree that a higher vantage point avoids some of the extreme vertical distortions but I don't particularly like the composition from that angle as the off-centred position doesn't create make for nice symmetrical converging lines. I would have loved to have taken it from a central position but of course that's where the organ is. In any case, the subject is the organ in its surroundings here, so the elevated view from the organ isn't really a solution to that problem. The image itself could be cropped to reduce the distortions but then it would suffer compositionally if the window was incomplete. I don't think there's any perfect solution, but I just don't think the distortion is that extreme in this image. Diliff (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well the other picture clearly wasn't intended as a solution for the view of the organ, but is I think suitable as a view of the whole interior, and I don't mind the off-centre view. The crop I suggest doesn't make the window incomplete, and I think is quite a superior image of this organ, which I would support. This just suffers from all the problems of photographing an object with a wide-angle lens -- it makes the subject small and far away and places too much emphasis on the surrounds. I have two eyes and 3D vision so one can't claim this is like being there. With a 2D projection one is left only with perspective clues to figure out depth/size and we all know that a wide-angle rectilinear projection exaggerates perspective (near objects become huge and distant objects become small). From a compositional point of view, this image is simply dominated by some arches and white stone walls, whereas it should be dominated by the organ. -- Colin (talk) 13:35, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • True, but the nature of reality is such that by definition, near objects are larger than distant ones, the only difference is that a wide angle view widens this effect and telephoto compresses it, as compared to our eyes. If we could photograph an interior like this with a 600mm lens from a large distance (hypothetically if the near side wall was removed), we'd find that perspective just as confusing, if not more. As we've discussed many times before, I guess it comes down to how attuned our eyes (or more accurately, our brains) are to different projections and angle of views, and I suppose through working with ultrawide images for many years, understanding the view comes naturally to me but perhaps not to others. Perhaps you're also right though that an organ like this should be more front and centre, but cropping it as heavily as you do reduces the resolution a bit much for my liking. I suppose I'll put it on the list of places to revisit one day. ;-) Diliff (talk) 13:53, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support --Hubertl 14:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support --Laitche (talk) 14:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support as I do so many of Dave's church interiors, although I will add that Colin's suggested crop is also featurable should that be separately nominated and preferred. Daniel Case (talk) 20:49, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 13 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Yann (talk) 14:11, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Places/Interiors/Religious buildings
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