Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:80-391-1247 Kyiv Khmelnytsky Monument RB 18.jpg
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File:80-391-1247 Kyiv Khmelnytsky Monument RB 18.jpg, not featured[edit]
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes.Voting period ends on 1 Oct 2018 at 12:00:19 (UTC)
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- Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture#Ukraine
Info created by Rbrechko (talk) 12:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC) - uploaded by Rbrechko (talk) 12:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC) - nominated by Rbrechko -- Rbrechko (talk) 12:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Support -- Rbrechko (talk) 12:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Abstain because the discussion is not serene -- Basile Morin (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment - In a case in which I might ordinarily support, with this subject matter, I feel that I am unable to decide whether to support and am therefore leaving the judging to others. The reason for this is that to me, a monument to this man is tantamount to honoring a Nazi war criminal. See w:Khmelnytsky Uprising#Massacres and w:Khmelnytsky Uprising#Jews if you want to understand why. None of this history means that if this merits a feature, it should not be featured, but it does mean that whereas I have found myself emotionally able to oppose photos of this monument or support them for QI, I do not feel emotionally able to support a feature. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - And to take this one step further, if a photo of this monument is featured, are we going to feature it as a monument to a Ukrainian nationalist hero or a bestial mass murderer? Fairness would probably dictate a neutral tone and a link to the Wikipedia article about the uprising he led. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- It seems that you judge this picture on moral matters, and I can understand your embarrassment because I felt the same last month when a picture of a racist politician was nominated here. So I have to say I didn't based my vote on historical events, but on aesthetic aspects, and on the previous works by the same photographer (1, 2, 3 for example). Now this statue is in Ukraine, so probably this guy riding his horse is judged differently by the local citizens. As we have a featured picture of Stalin, Lenin and Kalinin here, and one of a nuclear explosion, it doesn't mean the nominators support war and weapon of mass destruction, neither the community -- Basile Morin (talk) 08:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- On the contrary, I am specifically not judging the photo (no vote here, as you see), and explained that I feel emotionally unable to do so. And it's not because of moral matters but because I am a Jew and this glorifying of one of the most horrific mass murderers of my people is more than I can support for a feature. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:11, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- COM:FPC : «An image "speaks" to people, and it has the capacity to evoke emotion such as tenderness, rage, rejection, happiness, sadness, etc.» -- Basile Morin (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's more the fact of there being a memorial to this man than a particular photo of it that evokes emotion from me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- If this photo is featured, it's going to be featured for what it is: "(Name), a bronze statue of a man on a horse, placed on a stone podium covered with creepers, all within a fenced area". No other comments about what he did or might have done. --Cart (talk) 12:56, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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Oppose I don't need to even reach the issues Ikan addresses; the image has a number of technical shortcomings—distortion at the sides, CA, slight oversaturation, and most of all the near-blown highlight on the church steeple at the center—that could not be corrected enough. Daniel Case (talk) 19:54, 23 September 2018 (UTC)- Oppose I have to agree with Daniel, the scene looks too unreal, more like a drawing or a print. --Cart (talk) 21:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per previous. --The NMI User (talk) 06:30, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
I withdraw my nomination --Rbrechko (talk) 10:33, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Confirmed results:
Result: 1 support, 3 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Cart (talk) 19:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
