Commons:Bots/Requests/Josvebot 2

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Josvebot (talk · contribs) 2

Operator: Josve05a (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)

Bot's tasks for which permission is being sought: Tagging orphaned talkpages (talk pages without corresponding file/galley/cateory page) for deletion (CSD G8).

Automatic or manually assisted: Automatic

Edit type (e.g. Continuous, daily, one time run): Continuous

Maximum edit rate (e.g. edits per minute): 1 per 10 seconds

Bot flag requested: (Y/N): N

Programming language(s): AWB Using http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/9152 Josve05a (talk) 05:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • Example contributions. Riley Huntley (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please disable section headers in the edit summary; seems unnecessary. {{SD|G8}} does not allow you to explain that it is an automated request; {{Speedy|[[User:Josvebot|Bot]]: [[COM:CSD#G8|CSD G8]] (page dependent on deleted or non-existent content)}} would be more preferable imoh (or any other method that accomplishes the same). Could you also get some blue in the edit summary (i.e. CSD G8)? I don't like the edit summary in general, but the edits are more important. Riley Huntley (talk) 05:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please only tag pages that have been last edited some time ago, I suggest at least 7 days, to not interrupt ongoing discussions. --Krd 07:48, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm..I'd have to create soe very specific regex for this...hmm...let me get back to you allon that one. Josve05a (talk) 08:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for taking care! It's hard to notice talk pages when using batch deletion :-) I agree with Riley and Krd suggestion. Probably edit summary should contain beginning of page text, like default log entry for deletion. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Without creating a separate module, it will be both difficult to code a thing to add the content of the talk in an edit summary, but also confusing for "new users". The current template (see below) is "dated", as to allow conversation to take place before deletion etc. All in all, I think we've reached a good compromise between the edit summary and tagging. @EugeneZelenko: What do you think? Josve05a (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      If it's hard to place text for edit summary, current summary should be OK. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just adding on some helpful advice while bored waiting for my tasks to be closed :P. The following in your query are redundant; (These are en.wikipedia specific templates that Commons do not have. I imagine it might also speed up the search.)
AND p1.page_id NOT IN (SELECT
                        page_id
                      FROM page
                      JOIN templatelinks
                      ON page_id = tl_from
                      WHERE tl_title="G8-exempt"
                      AND tl_namespace = 10)
AND p1.page_id NOT IN (SELECT
                        page_id
                      FROM page
                      JOIN templatelinks
                      ON page_id = tl_from
                      WHERE tl_title="Rtd"
                      AND tl_namespace = 10);
I'm sorry. My computer completely broke and became non-responsive, and have had to find an emergency solution now, while I wait for the IT-technicians to fix it. I haven't checked that query out yet, but I do like to create a new template, however I have a few other ideas. I could add such a template, but it should wait 7 days before it categorize it in a CSD-category, like a "slow-deletion" template (such as "No source"), in order to not tag a current discussion for deletion, and if there is a current discussion, somebody can remove it/add a parameter of some kind. Josve05a (talk) 06:38, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
{{Orphaned talk page since}} (Thanks to Riley)! Daily categories will (read "can") be created (if approved) by Riley's bot(s). Josve05a (talk) 20:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Test running on a few pages right now. Seems like it is doing the trick. Josve05a (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Test run looks good, I see no concerns and think this should be wrapped up. Riley Huntley (talk) 20:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Question Are file talk pages now tagged only after being 7 days untouched? If yes there is no need for having the "7 days ago eligible for deletion" note at Category:Orphaned talk pages because they are eligible for deletion immediately. --Krd 10:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, they are tagged when found with a "7 day deletion notice" to alllow for dicussion up to 7 days, or to remove the template. Josve05a (talk) 11:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So the talk page has to stay in the category for 7 days and then the processing admin has to verify for every entry if the discussion really has stopped before the deleting. This appears as unreasonable effort to me. I'd prefer to wait longer (to be safe, orphaned and not touched for 14 days) and then delete right away without additional checks. --Krd 11:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that is a difficult thing to do...I'm just brainstorming thoughts here, but not all new users add signature or timestamp, and AWB can't access the edit history when editing... Perhaps (this might be a bit complicated), but a way for the template to check the timestamp of when the page last edit (I know that AfC-review templates can see when something was last edited), and do a "if not edited in 7 days, add to a CSD category"...but as I said, this is complicated. I'd rather have all orphaned talk pages tagged, and let user remove the template or tag it with a "|no-delete=yes" if they want to continue to use that page, which they should not. Josve05a (talk) 12:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
While I think the original way was no more difficult that the effort required to delete no source files, I have modified the template. The template now displays "This page was last edited by Odder (talk | contribs | logs) on 2 May 2016" (previously only shown to admins, and didn't have the date) and in addition, will automatically add Category:Orphaned talk pages after 7 days of not being edited. Sufficient? :) Riley Huntley (talk) 18:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good compromise for me. --Krd 06:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no objections, I think task should be approved. Looks like we are now all in agreement of how the template should operate. Riley Huntley (talk) 01:39, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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