Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard)

Category name

Note: This discussion was started at Category talk:Location maps.

What is the new standard used? Please explain this in the introduction to the category. Also, it needs to be named in the category name. "Location maps" by itself is confusing, and maps using other standards will be put here too unless the category name is more specific.

This category needs to be a subcategory of Category:Locator maps. --Timeshifter (talk) 08:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope the category name is better now: Category:Location maps (2008 standard), with short explanation how these files have to be made. But I fear it was quite a mistake to create a new category, not to move this one. I'm not sure how to handle it now. Deleting this one together with this discussion? I hope I didn't create too much trouble. --NNW (talk) 11:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a redirect tag to this old category. It doesn't matter to me if the talk is copied or not to the new category talk page. Feel free to change the category name again if necessary. :)

Here is the redirect tag: {{Category redirect|NEW NAME}} --Timeshifter (talk) 12:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I hope this name will remain, at least for a little while. --NNW (talk) 12:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Location maps (2008 standard)

Note: This discussion was started at User talk:Fabartus.

Category:Location maps (2008 standard) is a newly-created category. Should this be called Category:Locator maps (2008 standard) instead. I haven't categorized much in this area. Locator or Location or both? I am not sure it is a good idea to use both. It seems "locator" is the standard here: Category:Locator maps. See also: Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard) and User:NordNordWest. I think it is a language thing. Maybe we should call the category something like Category:Locator maps (2008 geolocation standard). See w:Geolocation --Timeshifter (talk) 21:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I left a note on the project page on the German wiki about that just now (and ammended that before closing this!). For what it's worth, there is a discussion on that page that links back to a commonsFrench wp page here on standard color schemes for maps, apparently that began on the French wikipedia, then was moved here. here w/o using Meta or Commons international forums. Sigh.

To address your question directly, Locator maps predominates as was put in place by Deusentrieb, David Kernow et. al., and I questioned the originator of "Location maps" about ten days back (User talk:NordNordWest) and didn't get a response. ... he replied on his talk... I've updated my post linked above on that basis... See the template on en.wikipedia...

I was aware of the programable ability on some maps on en.wikipedia, but not being a maps graphics manipulator, hadn't realized the scope of the system being put in place internationally, so to speak. The upshot is that it looks like 'Locator' and 'Location maps' are both needed and that there needs to be a differentiation tagging and link template, more than anything else. It happens the technical difference is (I infer, but could be wrong) rectilinear equality of N-S and E-W axes, which gives an equal area projection—a format invented here in Massachusetts that I happened across a long while back now—in all places, in my kids pediatricians' offices! He's a mapophile. Unlike a Mercator projection, both Lat and Long curve, so it doesn't swell the size of things at higher latitudes (compare the shape of any landmass above 40 degrees north on a world map to a globes tracings). It's technically close in effect to a hemispherical projection from directly overhead, but zoomed in close so like a globe, it shows the true shape of the region on which it is centered. So there is a big technical difference, to which is added apparently that one can display an overlay of a "location dot" by specifying a correct and compatible geo-coordinate.

Other than that, just make sure they are subcategories of locator maps categories, and the hierarchy should shake out fine... discounting the SVG maps ambiguities rampant in the whole schema.

Visiting Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard), you seem to have found the right guy to deal with on this... from what I read on that de.wikipedia page, his English is good and I was going to close this and ask him if he'd help come up with a template. The only concern I have on all this is these projects are acting independent of international discussion forums, and if they are setting up standards, they need to invite more people to the table. // FrankB 20:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Can we copy all this to Category talk:Location maps (2008 standard)? You are a LOT more informed on this topic than me. I think you guys can work things out. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Do it... I'm working on the prototype template on the German de page as I write. // FrankB 21:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Location_map_notice

First cut template

Think I got all the needed links into this... adapted the suggested template on the de.wikipedia about mid-June, where the discussion left off saying they needed to involve someone that was a native English speaker...

Categorization Warning: "Locator maps" and "Location maps" while similar and of similar purpose, are technically different for a single location map can replace dozens of locator maps.

This category should only contain blank maps compatible with Wikimedia Foundation computerized geo-location standards. • The purpose of the geo-locations standard is to enable an overlay of a locator dot to a map created with a GIS software using an equirectangular or conical projection for high latitudes areas and for which the geographic limits are perfectly known. • A geo-location coordinate is used to generate the location's overlay, and optionally, a label.

(That would be me, I guess! <g>) // FrankB 21:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Location maps

It seems that FrankB restarted the category. I put this category in it as I assumed that Category:Location maps was to be a parent category. I will let you guys handle all the category names and hierarchies though. Feel free to change anything I do. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)