Category talk:Envelopes

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Category:Envelopes

It's not really clear to me what the difference is between this category and Category:Postal covers. So I'd like to merge this category into the later one. Since there's a lot of overlap and I think Category:Postal covers fits better with other related categories and what a postal envelope is more broadly. ("Envelope" is a pretty ambiguous term that can be applied to other things beside postal envelopes. So maybe this should become a DAB) Adamant1 (talk) 01:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose merge. If anything, postal covers are a subset of envelopes and should remain a subcat. The envelopes category includes subcategories not related to the post, such as Category:Service envelopes, Category:Red envelopes (which should probably be clarified because it isn't for just any envelope that happens to be red), Category:Photo envelopes, and Category:Manufacture of envelopes (which could be for postal or non-postal envelopes). In addition, some of the files are for completely different kinds of things that are called envelopes (these may even warrant separate categories). --Auntof6 (talk) 01:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, is a completely blank envelope considered a postal cover? --Auntof6 (talk) 01:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Technically a postal cover is an envelope with an address that has passed through the mail. That said, in practice though no one is using the categories that way and whatever the technical term for a postal cover is, un-addressed and un-mailed envelopes are still also "postal covers." For instance some FDCs don't have addresses and haven't been mailed, but in practice are still considered postal covers. Even the various Wikipedia articles on envelopes have images of postal covers. Not blank, un-addressed or un-mailed envelopes. So it's really a distinction without a purpose. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Couldn't we use a clearer name like "mail envelopes" or "postal envelopes" ? - Themightyquill (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I assume you mean for this category. If so then "mail envelopes" might work and then we can keep this one more general or a DAB page. Since there's other types of envelopes that often aren't mailed like wedding cards and funeral envelopes. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Adamant1: I meant Category:Mail envelopes or Category:Postal envelopes instead of Category:Postal covers. I agree there are many envelopes that aren't sent in the mail. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm fine with creating Category:Mail envelopes or Category:Postal envelopes in conjunction with Category:Postal covers, but postal covers are a specific type of postal envelope that has been stamped and (or) mailed. So the category is still needed for that. Creating Category:Postal envelopes to separate non-mailed envelopes from other types would still be an improvement though. I don't see why Category:Postal covers couldn't go in it either. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment I created Category:Postal envelopes‎ per Themightyquill. My suggestion from here is to turn Category:Envelopes‎ into a dab page that includes categories for other types of envelopes. For instance there's Category:Nuclear envelope and as well as a few others. I was going to do that, but couldn't figure out how to close this discussion and I didn't want to just leave it open. So if someone can close it and create the dab that would be great. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:02, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
  • @Auntof6 and Themightyquill: Any objections to the solution proposed by Adamant1 (talk · contribs) here so we can close this? Josh (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: Fine by me. -- Themightyquill (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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@Adamant1, Auntof6, and Themightyquill: Closed (no objections) Josh (talk) 01:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)