Category talk:Academic disciplines
Category:Academic disciplines[edit]
should be merged with Category:Scientific disciplines, as both are the same concepts, imho - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 07:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Interesting point, but conceptually they aren't the same. If you look at English Wikipedia's corresponding categories, these make more sense, not only because they have scientific disciplines underneath academic disciplines. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I see there are different categories in English wikipedia, too. However, their description don't show essential differences, but just take different viewpoints.
- An academic discipline, or field of study, is a branch of knowledge that is taught and researched at the college or university level. Disciplines are defined (in part), and recognized by the academic journals in which research is published, and the learned societies and academic departments or faculties to which their practitioners belong.
- This category is for branches of science divided into four major groups:
- Natural sciences, which study natural phenomena (including fundamental forces and biological life)
- Formal sciences (such as mathematics and logic, which use an a priori, as opposed to factual, methodology)
- Social sciences, which study human behavior and societies
- Applied sciences, which apply existing scientific knowledge to develop more practical applications, like technology or inventions
As far as I could see, most subfields are in both categories, in English wikipedia (and in commons). From the descriptions, I can't see any reason to include some subfield in one category, but not in the other, can you? If the distinct categories are to be kept, their relation should be made clear in their descriptions (to be added to the commons categories). - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 19:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand. The obvious exception to me is Category:Humanities including its many sub-categories, but Category:Musicology, Category:Architectural theory also don't easily fit as sciences of any kind. I'm not sure that Category:Professional studies or Category:Accountancy schools either. - Themightyquill (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Category:Humanities is below Category:Social sciences, which in turn is below both Category:Academic disciplines and Category:Scientific disciplines, so I don't see it as an exception. However, you have a point in Category:Musicology and Category:Architectural theory. More general, arts are taught at academies, but aren't science.
In English wikipedia, en:Academic disciplines redirects to en:Discipline (academia) which defines it as "a branch of knowledge.". And en:Science is defined as "a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions" (I omit "about the universe" as I think it focuses too much on physics or at least natural science).
So I suggest that Category:Academic disciplines should be made a supercategory of Category:Scientific disciplines (since the former is about any kind of knowledge while the latter is about special kinds of knowledge), the links to English wikipedia and the introductory defining sentences should be added to both commons categories. Would that be ok?
Concerning your examples Category:Musicology and Category:Architectural theory, I'd like to put the first below Category:Scientific disciplines (since it is not just art, but also theory, with e.g. ethnological and mathematical parts), and keep the second (via Category:Architecture and Category:Applied sciences) there. Concerning your examples Category:Professional studies and Category:Accountancy schools, I'm unable to figure out what the first is about (it may even be an advertising bogus category), while I'd like to put the second under Category:Economics education (which is below Category:Economics and, in turn, Category:Social sciences). Would that be ok? - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 10:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, Jochen Burghardt, I somehow lost track of this discussion. Humanities might currently be a sub-category of Social sciences on Commons, but it shouldn't be. While some elements of the humanities like history might cross over at times, many of them do not. Modern languages, philosophy, religion and the arts are humanties which rarely veer into social science. Note that neither en:Musicology nor en:Category:Musicology are categorized in en:Category:Social sciences. But otherwise, yes, I certainly agree that Category:Academic disciplines should be a parent category for Category:Scientific disciplines, and the appropriate wikipedia links should be made. On that note, we might consider sub-categorizing Category:Scientific disciplines-- as has been done at en:Category:Scientific disciplines -- into the four sub-types listed above. Does that make sense? - Themightyquill (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
@Jochen Burghardt, Auntof6, and Themightyquill: Quiet for going on 3 years... there seems no consensus to merge these two, but instead to keep them distinct with 'scientific' under 'academic'. Does anyone have maybe an explanatory note that can be added to clarify the dirrerence for those not already aware of it? In any case can we close this and leave the existing 2 cats in place? Josh (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oops, this discussion slipped out of my mind - sorry! I'd agree with Themightyquill's last suggestion (of 24 Mar 2017). - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 19:07, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with that, too. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
The hatnote for Category:Academic disciplines can be copied from en:Category:Academic disciplines. Unfortunately, enwiki hasn't the hatnote at en:Category:Scientific disciplines--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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