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Feel free to comment about the nested template problem

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I am going to keep this sandbox page on this topic for awhile, or a long time. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


You need to get better at debugging.
'''See''' {{Categorise/lang}}

See Alemannisch  asturianu  azərbaycanca  Bahasa Indonesia  Bahasa Melayu  Boarisch  català  čeština  dansk  Deutsch  Deutsch (Sie-Form)‎  English  español  Esperanto  euskara  français  galego  hrvatski  interlingua  italiano  Lëtzebuergesch  lietuvių  magyar  Nederlands  Nordfriisk  norsk bokmål  norsk  occitan  Plattdüütsch  polski  português  português do Brasil  română  sicilianu  slovenčina  slovenščina  svenska  suomi  Tiếng Việt  Türkçe  Zazaki  Ελληνικά  беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎  македонски  русский  тоҷикӣ  українська  ქართული  हिन्दी  অসমীয়া  বাংলা  தமிழ்  മലയാളം  ไทย  한국어  日本語  中文  中文(简体)‎  中文(繁體)‎  עברית  العربية  فارسی  မြန်မာဘာသာ  +/−


{{#tag:pre|'''See''' {{Categorise/lang}}}}

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class="language lang-cs" lang="cs">čeština</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/da <bdi class="language lang-da" lang="da">dansk</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/de <bdi class="language lang-de" lang="de">Deutsch</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/de-formal <bdi class="language lang-de-formal" lang="de-formal">Deutsch (Sie-Form)‎</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/en <bdi class="language lang-en" lang="en">English</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/es <bdi class="language lang-es" lang="es">español</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/eo <bdi class="language lang-eo" lang="eo">Esperanto</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/eu <bdi class="language lang-eu" lang="eu">euskara</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/fr <bdi class="language lang-fr" lang="fr">français</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/gl <bdi class="language lang-gl" lang="gl">galego</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/hr <bdi class="language lang-hr" lang="hr">hrvatski</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ia <bdi class="language lang-ia" lang="ia">interlingua</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/it <bdi class="language lang-it" lang="it">italiano</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/lb <bdi class="language lang-lb" lang="lb">Lëtzebuergesch</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/lt <bdi class="language lang-lt" lang="lt">lietuvių</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/hu <bdi class="language lang-hu" lang="hu">magyar</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/nl <bdi class="language lang-nl" lang="nl">Nederlands</bdi>] <b>∙</b> 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[//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ro <bdi class="language lang-ro" lang="ro">română</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/scn <bdi class="language lang-scn" lang="scn">sicilianu</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/sk <bdi class="language lang-sk" lang="sk">slovenčina</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/sl <bdi class="language lang-sl" lang="sl">slovenščina</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/sv <bdi class="language lang-sv" lang="sv">svenska</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/fi <bdi class="language lang-fi" lang="fi">suomi</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/vi <bdi class="language lang-vi" lang="vi">Tiếng Việt</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/tr <bdi class="language lang-tr" lang="tr">Türkçe</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/diq <bdi class="language lang-diq" lang="diq">Zazaki</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/el <bdi class="language lang-el" lang="el">Ελληνικά</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/be-tarask <bdi class="language lang-be-tarask" lang="be-tarask">беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/mk <bdi class="language lang-mk" lang="mk">македонски</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ru <bdi class="language lang-ru" lang="ru">русский</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/tg <bdi class="language lang-tg" lang="tg">тоҷикӣ</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/uk <bdi class="language lang-uk" lang="uk">українська</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ka <bdi class="language lang-ka" lang="ka">ქართული</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/hi <bdi class="language lang-hi" lang="hi">हिन्दी</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/as <bdi class="language lang-as" lang="as">অসমীয়া</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/bn <bdi class="language lang-bn" lang="bn">বাংলা</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ta <bdi class="language lang-ta" lang="ta">தமிழ்</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ml <bdi class="language lang-ml" lang="ml">മലയാളം</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/th <bdi class="language lang-th" lang="th">ไทย</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ko <bdi class="language lang-ko" lang="ko">한국어</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ja <bdi class="language lang-ja" lang="ja">日本語</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/zh <bdi class="language lang-zh" lang="zh">中文</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/zh-hans <bdi class="language lang-zh-hans" lang="zh-hans">中文(简体)‎</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/zh-hant <bdi class="language lang-zh-hant" lang="zh-hant">中文(繁體)‎</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/he <bdi class="language lang-he" lang="he">עברית</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/ar <bdi class="language lang-ar" lang="ar">العربية</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/fa <bdi class="language lang-fa" lang="fa">فارسی</bdi>] <b>∙</b> [//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Categorise/my <bdi class="language lang-my" lang="my">မြန်မာဘာသာ</bdi>] <b>∙</b> <small class="plainlinks">[//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Categorise/lang&action=edit +/−]</small></span>

Notice that the template includes several line breaks.
If you use wikitables, Mediawiki will insert a pair of <p> and </p> tags around the content of the cell, but exclude the content on the line that starts the cell. So if you place this code in a table cell like this:
|'''See''' {{Categorise/lang}}
you get those tags where you don't want them.
If you do it like this:
|
'''See''' {{Categorise/lang}}
everything works fine:
{|cellspacing="2" cellpadding="0" style="direction: {{Dir|{{{lang}}}}};clear:both;width:100%;border:2px solid #8888aa;background-color:#f7f8ff;-moz-border-radius: 10px;-webkit-border-radius:10px;;"
|[[File:Nuvola filesystems folder locked.png|40px|link=|]]
|{{lang|{{{lang|}}}|{{{text|empty}}}}}
|-
| colspan="2" |
'''See''' {{Categorise/lang}}
|}
empty

See Alemannisch  asturianu  azərbaycanca  Bahasa Indonesia  Bahasa Melayu  Boarisch  català  čeština  dansk  Deutsch  Deutsch (Sie-Form)‎  English  español  Esperanto  euskara  français  galego  hrvatski  interlingua  italiano  Lëtzebuergesch  lietuvių  magyar  Nederlands  Nordfriisk  norsk bokmål  norsk  occitan  Plattdüütsch  polski  português  português do Brasil  română  sicilianu  slovenčina  slovenščina  svenska  suomi  Tiếng Việt  Türkçe  Zazaki  Ελληνικά  беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎  македонски  русский  тоҷикӣ  українська  ქართული  हिन्दी  অসমীয়া  বাংলা  தமிழ்  മലയാളം  ไทย  한국어  日本語  中文  中文(简体)‎  中文(繁體)‎  עברית  العربية  فارسی  မြန်မာဘာသာ  +/−

Of course you get some margins that are set for <p> tags. I hope that helped. Remember to examine teh HTML itself when trying to debug complicated formatting. --84.128.234.6 09:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) Thanks for the info. I assume you are mendel from Wikia.

It seems that the margins set for the <p> tags differ depending on what is in the cell:

| colspan="2" |text
empty
text


| colspan="2" |{{Categorise/lang}}
empty
Alemannisch  asturianu  azərbaycanca  Bahasa Indonesia  Bahasa Melayu  Boarisch  català  čeština  dansk  Deutsch  Deutsch (Sie-Form)‎  English  español  Esperanto  euskara  français  galego  hrvatski  interlingua  italiano  Lëtzebuergesch  lietuvių  magyar  Nederlands  Nordfriisk  norsk bokmål  norsk  occitan  Plattdüütsch  polski  português  português do Brasil  română  sicilianu  slovenčina  slovenščina  svenska  suomi  Tiếng Việt  Türkçe  Zazaki  Ελληνικά  беларуская (тарашкевіца)‎  македонски  русский  тоҷикӣ  українська  ქართული  हिन्दी  অসমীয়া  বাংলা  தமிழ்  മലയാളം  ไทย  한국어  日本語  中文  中文(简体)‎  中文(繁體)‎  עברית  العربية  فارسی  မြန်မာဘာသာ  +/−

Note the added top and bottom margin around the bottom cell when there is a template in the cell. Versus just text in the bottom cell.--Timeshifter (talk) 15:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PLease look at the HTML, the second version has <p> tags and the first one doesn't. (I had written a longer post, but it seems to have been swallowed.) --84.128.251.135 19:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) When one of my attempted posts gets swallowed, I can usually retrieve it by hitting the back button in my browser.

OK. I see what you mean about the paragraph tags <p> being added around the {{Categorise/lang}} template in the table, but not around "text" in the table. I can see this by looking at "page source" from the view menu of Firefox browser.

Paragraph tags are added around "text" in the table if "text" is moved down one line:

| colspan="2" |
text
empty

text

<p>text</p>

There is no need for paragraph tags most of the time in a table. There are none in the "text" cell using this table format:

| colspan="2" |text

So Mediawiki is inconsistent in how it treats templates and text in table cells. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New problem. Similar to old problem

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I discovered something else. See the latest info at the bottom of the sandbox page.