User talk:Teratornis

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Commons:Editor's index to Commons

Hi Teratornis, I just ran across this page you've been working on. Kudos, it's very... detailed! I was under the impression that John Broughton wrote most of the Wikipedia Editor's index. Is that wrong? Or are perhaps planning a missing manual for Commons? :) cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

w:Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia/About#Credits tells who worked on the Editor's index to Wikipedia. The notion of writing a "missing manual" for Commons has actually crossed my mind, but I'm a long way from knowing enough about Commons and the associated tools to even think about calling it a "plan." First I want to get the index in good enough shape to be useful for answering questions on the Help desk. The index as it now stands is mostly a direct port of the Editor's index to Wikipedia, with the applicable links mapped over to their counterparts on Commons, and numerous entries removed as they didn't seem to apply to Commons at all. I still (probably) need to add new entries that are specific to Commons and are not already present in the structure I ported from the Wikipedia index. Working from the Wikipedia index saved a lot of time, as I benefited from all the work that John and others had already done. (Including some work I had done.) The index needs attention from people who really know Commons in depth, who can judge the best way to group and subdivide the links. However, because we have Ctrl-F search capability in our browsers, the logical structure isn't as important as having enough keywords present to provide search targets. That means the first goal is to make the index as complete as possible, and to give a one-line summary description of any link whose content is not completely obvious from its title, attempting to include words that users are likely to search for. --Teratornis (talk) 11:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I forgot to say thanks for noticing COM:EIC and commenting. While I don't expect the index to change the face of civilization forever, it would be nice if I'm not the only person who finds a use for it. I may copy this thread to Commons talk:Editor's index to Commons to keep discussion about the index with the index. --Teratornis (talk) 02:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, this looks like an interesting project. I'm a bit curious about these moves back and forth though, while I happily leave it to English native speakers to sort out editor's vs editors' right now the page history is at the redirect - was that the effect you wanted? Thanks for helping out at the help desk btw, you're doing a great job not only in providing answers but also in contributing to a friendlier enviroment for users being confused by the ins and outs of Commons ( should probably be some 's in "ins and outs", feel free to insert them ;). Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Was that the effect I wanted - no. I think an enthusiastic user saw my discussion of the problem elsewhere and did a cut-and-paste move, which we aren't supposed to do. See all the mind-numbing (even for apostrophe-capable native English speakers) discussion at:

• w:User:Teratornis/Notes#Page move problem
• w:User talk:John Broughton#Here's something I did not anticipate: "Editors' index" instead of "Editor's index" (permanent link)
• User talk:MichaelMaggs#Editor's index (permanent link)

I haven't decided yet whether to trouble a Commons administrator to clean up the mess. If you'd like to fix it, that would be great.

Even though the Editor's index is not "done" (not that it ever could be "done") it is already becoming useful for answering questions on the Help desk. Although for a new user, the links under a heading such as COM:EIC#Copyright must be intimidatingly complex. Even I remain gripped by fear upon seeing them. Not that I'm an expert by any means. I just fake it.

I like to answer questions on the Help desk. Even though I am making mistakes in some of my answers, other users correct my mistakes, and I rarely make the same mistake more than 25 times. When I first looked the Help desk here at a few months ago, I found it sad that so many questions had no answers at all. That was in contrast to the Help desk on the English Wikipedia, which is well-attended. Incidentally, I had the most edits on the Help desk at the English Wikipedia when I last checked (more than 4000 edits). But the Help desk there is in very good shape - the many users who answer questions have built very good search tools, standard response templates, and we have a good Editor's index. Thus my relative impact is less; dozens of other users can provide the same answers I do, and they do it quickly. I want to bring some similar infrastructure to the Help desk on Commons. The Editor's index is part of that: among other things, it is a tool for answering questions. One might say the index is not done until it answers every Help desk question, i.e. gets to within one link of each answer.

If you would like to translate the index into whatever languages you speak, that would be great. I won't care what happens to the apostrophe. You might want to wait until I get the English index into better shape. --Teratornis (talk) 00:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, now the page and the history should be at the same place (editor's), we'll have to sort out where they should have been with Michal M. when he get's back. I've deleted a couple of movemade redirects as well. Hopefully I managed just to create a happy ending and not add another chapter to your ongoing essay moving the apostrophe ;). Keep up the good work, and let me know if I can help with anything. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 01:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. The final chapter in my magnum opus must wait until MichaelMaggs returns. I will copy this discussion to Commons talk:Editor's index to Commons, to keep it with the page it is about. --Teratornis (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep it up

Doing some good work here, I see. Thank you. I like your attention to detail and consistency. Just be careful not to "transwiki" some of the um... less desirable facets of the English Wikipedia. Mellowness > policy-craziness. Get to know the Commons way a little more (you're almost there), then think about becoming an admin. 71.155.242.65 08:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC) (don't let the IP fool you)

Like what facets? My main criticism of the English Wikipedia (in its current implementation) is not that it has detailed rules - I like rules because:

• They create the conditions which make w:Flow (psychology) possible, and
• There is no common sense.

Rather, my main criticism is that enforcement of the rules is reactive rather than proactive. For example, just let users spend hours editing away on articles, as they unknowingly violate all sorts of unintuitive policies and guidelines, all the while as the software appears to cooperate fully, thereby encouraging their misconceptions about Wikipedia to strengthen. Then some random amount of time later, a human will review the submission, mark it for deletion, and poof. There seems to be no concept of preventive medicine. There is a difference between having rules vs. getting the relevant parts of the rulebook to the users who need it, when they need it. Enforcement which is reactive rather than proactive strikes me as uncharitable and uncivil, contradicting two of Wikipedia's self-proclaimed characteristics (a tax-exempt charitable organization in which participants are expected to behave civilly). In other words, I view the massive industry of deletion on Wikipedia as symptomatic of a design flaw of staggering proportions, and I can't imagine how so many experienced users seem oblivious to it. It's as if nobody seems to be asking, "Why are so many users creating articles that we have to delete?" --Teratornis (talk) 10:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

"Don't let the IP fool you" - I see what you mean. --Teratornis (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

But the question is why? I don't like to see experienced users editing without logging in, because this creates cover for vandals, especially on a heavily-vandalized site like the English Wikipedia. (Commons does not seem to have as much of a vandal problem, from what I have seen so far.) By creating an account and accumulating a track record, you can distinguish your quality edits from the IP vandals, in a way that even software can recognize, making the vandal-fighter's job easier. --Teratornis (talk) 03:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

message from Francis martin about inserting images of science and art

This message continues from User talk:Francisdenis#can i please insert a picture

Hello, I would like to answer your message if you please. Actually my job is to make films of science and art. I mean that i try to make a union ( forgive my approximative english), I try in my films to make a union of science and art. i explain it immediately : the word "science" comes from latin and means " knowledge" ; the word " art " means "work" in a general view, but if you consider it in a closer way, "art" means "kowledge" too. so science and art are the same thing in this way : they are a little different but they are, consecutively, approximatively the same thing; it' s an extension which definition is : science : knowledge mathematics : science (greek word "mathema" is "science" so " knowledge") physics : nature, matter chemics : organised matter biology : animated matter, living matter psychology : behavior, operation

that's the reason why my work is to make films that try to show how you can make things that would be in the same way minimal and complete enough. i'm interested in contribution to wiki that would be be as precise as possible, for example with documents which would resume the fundamental elements that we have to approach in science and arts. i consider that this would be the best way to illustrate the fundamental items of encyclopedics elements. i will contact you again if you accept it. good bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.169.166.31 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Nothing in the above text gets me any closer to understanding your original question. I still have no idea what you want to upload to Commons, and therefore I have no idea whether your work fits into Commons:Project scope. I can say, however, that when people approach editing on any established wiki with strong preconceptions about what they want to do, before they have learned much about that wiki in particular, or about wiki editing in general, they usually have a difficult time. That's because an established wiki already reflects the result of lots of thinking by lots of smart people. It is unlikely that someone new will show up, having no idea what has gone on before, and transform the wiki for the better. If a wiki is currently successful, its user community must have already found a formula that works. Before a new user can improve the existing formula, he or she must first learn it in detail. Without this knowledge, the new user's thinking is merely unconstrained imagination - which by the way is the difference between art and science. The artist creates anything he likes, and invents his own rules; whereas the scientist seeks to uncover the rules of nature, which the scientist cannot change. Artistic knowledge is purely a social construct, whereas scientific knowledge is a discovery. Therefore my initial advice still stands:

• See Commons:Project scope and Commons:First steps. It is best if your artworks can illustrate some encyclopedia article. The various language Wikipedias have an immense need for illustrations; see for example Commons:Meet our illustrators. If there is some Wikipedia article about the type of art you create, and you are willing to license your work freely, then you could upload your artwork to illustrate that article. As a new wiki user you should read: Wikipedia: The Missing Manual for basic concepts on how a wiki such as Wikimedia Commons works.

--Teratornis (talk) 19:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Uploading an image

Hi. I just read your response to my Flickr bot issues at Commons:Help Desk and I tried some of the methods you suggested, except the problem is, when I log in, I do it on the secure server. So when I fill out the upload forms, I get redirected to another Commons page that is not on the secure server, and therefore I am logged out and the file is attributed to IP address instead. Also, I am weary about downloading a file and uploading it, because the file is then attributed to my hard drive, and such info is even more invasive than my IP address being out in the open. --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 22:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I have not tried uploading images from Flickr by using the secure server, so I have no idea how that works. I'm not sure where a file is attributed to your hard drive. The local filepath appears in the upload form, but I can't find any record of it in the uploaded file page or history. See for example File:Blue Canyon Wind Farm from Mount Scott.jpg which I uploaded using the Flinfo method. Can you see any information about my hard drive there? --Teratornis (talk) 01:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

No. But with me never having uploaded an image before, I wouldn't know how to avoid that and other mishaps that could happen when uploading a file. The file I want to upload is here --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 03:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I suppose one can never be too careful, but Wikimedia Commons has over 4 million files, and most of them came from direct user uploads. It seems unlikely that none of those users would have complained about such a gaping security hole, if it still exists. In any case, whenever you have a question about security on Commons, you can ask about it on the Commons:Village pump.

The image you want to upload appears completely straightforward. (Other users already uploaded some photos from apparently the same concert: File:Siouxsie-Madrid2008.jpg, File:Siouxsie-Madrid.jpg.) Save the largest size to your hard drive. Get the {{Information}} template from Flinfo:

{{Information
|Description= Siouxsie durante su actuación en el Saturday Night Fiber del 19 de julio en Madrid.
|Source=[http://www.flickr.com/photos/69772513@N00/2684187745/ Siouxsie]
|Date=July 19, 2008 at 19:52
|Author=[http://www.flickr.com/people/69772513@N00 Brocco] from Madriz, Spain
|Permission=
|other_versions=
}}

==Licensing==
{{cc-by-sa-2.0}}
{{flickrreview}}
[[Category:Madrid]]
[[Category:Music]]
[[Category:Música]]

Usually Flinfo does a poor job of guessing the best categories, so you will want to refine those. It also helps to put the description into language-specific templates, and add descriptions in any languages you speak. Adding these improvements gives:

{{Information
|Description={{es|Siouxsie durante su actuación en el Saturday Night Fiber del 19 de julio en Madrid.}}
{{en|[[w:Siouxsie Sioux|]] at the [[w:Saturday Night Fiber|]] festival in Madrid, July 19 2008.}}
|Source=[http://www.flickr.com/photos/69772513@N00/2684187745/ Siouxsie]
|Date=July 19, 2008 at 19:52
|Author=[http://www.flickr.com/people/69772513@N00 Brocco] from Madriz, Spain
|Permission=
|other_versions=
}}

==Licensing==
{{cc-by-sa-2.0}}
{{flickrreview}}
[[Category:Siouxsie and the Banshees]]
[[Category:Saturday Night Fiber]]

Just paste that into the Simple Commons upload form and upload your image. --Teratornis (talk) 20:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot! I didn't even know there were other pictures of Siouxsie from the same event! --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 21:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Thing is, someone already beat me to to it. --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 21:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

You can still upload as many of the photos from the photoset as you like to Commons, and add them to the Siouxsie and the Banshees gallery page. It's good practice, and if you take complete notes on a user subpage, you will remember how to do it when you want to upload something else six months from now. --Teratornis (talk) 00:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

science is nearly the same thing as art

the way i contribute to wiki is to look for the precision of its texts. i have developed a little my method in an article in wikipedia called " dieu existe-t-il ? " the first thing we can do is to approach the definition of terms. the fact is that science and art are the opposed extremities of fundamental elements of knowledge or even of beeing, i mean of all the things that exist, as i wrote it in my precedent message. i am a film maker, i realise documents that approach and resume in about 10 to 30 minutes (generally) the way someone can make a work in minimal but complete enough way. My purpose is to make understand to everyone ( as well as possible) the elementery items of science and art from the beginning to the end once again : definitions of terms, science ( mathematics, physics, chemics, biology, psychology) , art ( the last aspect of knowledge or behavior, to resume it fast) . actually , i begin in wiki and my project would be to illustrate the encyclopedia approach or treatment by documents made of texts, images, animations and sounds. I would be glad to discuss further if you please. Good bye , Francis Martin--213.169.166.31 00:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Responding to points separately:

• Science and art have some similarities, but also some vast differences. I would consider them actually more different from each other than Christianity and Islam are different from each other, and more different than dogs and cats. Few people can reach the highest levels of attainment in science and art simultaneously. That was possible for Leonardo da Vinci, but today the two fields have diverged so much that few people can master both. It is possible to dabble in both, but not easy to be recognized as an important contributor in both.
• I do not see any article on the French Wikipedia at this title: fr:dieu existe-t-il? Do you have a film which usefully addresses the question of whether God exists?
  • Please see w:Help:Interwiki linking which explains how to link to articles on the various language Wikipedias from any Wikimedia Foundation wiki (such as this one, Wikimedia Commons). Then you can show me the article you refer to.
• Definitions of terms are extremely important - without agreed-upon definitions, communication between two or more people is impossible. w:Philosophy of science discusses this as it relates to science.
• The various Wikipedias have a vast unmet need for videos which can explain the subjects of articles. Here is a fairly simple example: File:Tesseract.gif which illustrates the w:Tesseract article. A four-dimensional cube is hard to imagine, but seeing video projection almost makes it understandable.
• I still cannot tell from your purely verbal description what your films are about, which means I cannot yet judge what you are doing to see if it fits within the scope of Commons. Do you have your work online anywhere else, that I can see it?
  • I am open to discussing, but we have not discussed anything yet. I must see a specific example of what you are talking about, to anchor your words in some definite meaning. Otherwise it is no more meaningful than a political speech. See w:Glittering generality.

Many other sites exist on the Web for sharing almost any type of creative work. Commons is the best site for you to use only if your work is suitable for illustrating encyclopedia articles. YouTube accepts a much wider range of video uploads, for example. --Teratornis (talk) 02:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

the simple fact of beeing yourself makes yourself an object

thank you for your message. "dieu existe t il " is an article in "bistro" or "oracle" fr wikipedia. i took also part of the article "datation" in the same places.i could precise the things a little.making a union of science and art is simply a necessity. the fact is that we cannot be minimal and complete enough if we don't make the relation of the two extremes items of the fundamental elements that we have to approach, which are : definitions of terms, first, and then the progression of basics  : mathematics ( coming from greek word "mathema" meaning science,knowledge-this last word meaning " knowledge of an object by study or experience"- physics (matter), chemics ( organised matter), biology (animated matter, living matter), psychology ( behavior, operation) and finally art which definition is "science" ( knowledge) as it is a way to do with what you know. i apologize once again for my approximative english. i would resume "art" in this way : it is what you are able to do. i am not sure of the right word i should use . art would be " ability", capacity,in french it would be "habileté" , the thing you are used to do, the the action or behavior that you are experienced in. science would be control and art would be abandon. both are up and down of the curve, and the point where the circle is finishing.i would illustrate it in this way : the nothing and the thing are a couple (tandem, ensemble of two elements) ,binary language,informatique, that could be illustrated by zero touched by one, figurating (human) beeing. I will contact you again if you please. Good bye. Francis Martin --213.169.166.31 05:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Please do not send me any more messages until you have read all the links I gave you. Your odd habit of ignoring what I write, and then stringing random words together in meaningless fashion is not a discussion - rather it is you being rude to me. I attempted to answer your original question, and you don't appear to want my help. Thus I don't see anything to suggest that Wikimedia Commons is a productive place for you. You should try starting your own blog, where you can amuse yourself by stringing random words together, unconstrained by any need to learn anyone else's rules. --Teratornis (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I did not mean to be rude and i am not sure if anything has a sense. Good bye.Francis Martin 213.169.166.31 03:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

announce

Hello teratornis, i would be glad, if you approve it, to announce you that i finished a 14 minutes film which is a minimal and complete enough presentation of the fundamental elements of science and art , illustrated with a progressive exposition of the basic things (items,entities,elements) that we have to approach in general. I will put it under copyright next month and then i will try to present it on wiki. Good bye. Francis Martin 213.169.166.31 15:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

if you had a button to disappear would you push on it

it s a poem but also a scientific subject. Good bye Francisdenis (talk) 04:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Graphics village pump

Commons:Graphics village pump should be in the editor's index, but I don't know where to add it. Davidt8 (talk) 12:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8

I added it under COM:EIC#Graphic and COM:EIC#Help. Thanks for pointing this out. --Teratornis (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for adding GPS coordinates to my picture. LovesMacs (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Teratornis (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

No worries

Teratornis:

I can see you're starting to lose your temper. We wouldn't want that, would we?

Take care, buddy.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand. I'm just diagnosing a problem without the ability to see it. --Teratornis (talk) 23:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I feel bad I wasted your time. I ran a disk scan and cleanup, and there might have been a virus (hence, the problem with the browse bar).

Thanks again.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 23:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Everybody on Commons is an unpaid volunteer. If I didn't enjoy trying to answer tough questions, I wouldn't try it. Also, potentially many people read the Help desk, and may read the archives in the future, so someone else may benefit from something we wrote. My time might have been used more efficiently in this instance but we don't know that it was a waste. If you want to feel badly about something, I suppose there is the issue that I was the only volunteer who tried to answer the question. That may indicate the question wasn't worded as well as it could have been. Also, questions about a specific tool should be directed to the person in charge of that tool - they may not be reading the Help desk. Unfortunately, many tools do not clearly state where to report problems with the tool. Most of the Help desk volunteers do not know either, otherwise they would have told you where to get help on this tool. --Teratornis (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You could always make penance by answering several questions by other people on the Help desk. That is how I am working off my own vast debt of sin. --Teratornis (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, if the problem is resolved, you should post a final followup on the Help desk in the question thread, so other helpers know not to try answering. --Teratornis (talk) 20:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Request

Which is the reason of this request http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:M%C4%83n%C4%83stirea_Neam%C5%A34.jpg&oldid=30005634? What was wrong? --Cezarika1 (talk) 04:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I already answered this quistion on my talk.

Best regards,

Huib talk 04:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!!!!

Thank you very much!!!!You are incredible user!!!Could I consider you as my first friend in Wikimedia?

My best wishes to you! --Italiamoderna (talk) 06:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I will be first friend on Wikimedia Commons, out of 13,012,749 users who can also be your friends.

• I categorized one of your image uploads.
• You may want to enable HotCat to make categorizing images easier. You still have to identify the appropriate categories.
• You should browse through categories starting for example at Category:Italy to familiarize yourself with the available categories. Also see Commons:Category scheme Italy.
• You have some English errors on your user page. Would you like me to correct them?
• I started Category:Wind power in Italy to group other people's uploads. I also started the Wind power in Italy article on the English Wikipedia. I would like to expand it, but I have not found many sources. it:Energia eolica#Impianti eolici in Italia lists some data about wind farms in Italy, but is not very detailed (no mention of turbine vendors, date of first operation, geographic coordinates).

--Teratornis (talk) 08:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, of course, you can correct errors on my page.))) What about italian wikipedia and people who work there I would prefer do not release any comment, because I wouldn`t like to speak bad words and this is also the reason that`s why I decided to partecipate in English Wikipedia. The problem that I don`t have to much time I would like to help you to find more information about your new category. For today I already finished. May be next days, I wiil check for sure. Promise.See you.--Italiamoderna (talk) 12:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello!Thank you very much!I like my new page.

As I have promised I read the italian page about wind energy and I check also the page in english. The italian page is long but there is no information about italy ( a little bit), I tried to chek web sites, but some are not open, some - no useful information. But I found one document (in italian)[1]. It is in PDF, 32 pages. I can translate for you, if you will tell me, exactly what you need. I suppose it is the best source about wind energy in Italy, with some maps.

Unfortunately I didn`t find any comment about the turbin vendors in Italy. I`ll teLl you why.

In italian internet you can find 100 pages about one football player in series D and you will not find information, for example, about one important scientist.

In italian wikipedia they like to cut pages or cancel at all, not to put details, because they consider too much details - promotion of something or of somebody, especially if it is italian.--Italiamoderna (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Evidently Anti-intellectualism exists in Italy as well as the United States. We can learn every detail about Brangelina with the click of a mouse, but when we seek the information that could allow humans to avoid exterminating themselves within a century or two, it is not so simple. The world would be far different if everyone was smart. I will study the source you provided, and if I cannot understand any of the Google translation, I will ask for your help. (Generally I can understand the automatic translation when I am familiar with the topic, but there will always be a few words which do not survive the trip. I have learned quite a bit about wind power by editing articles about it on Wikipedia. It's easier to get information about wind power in Europe than in China.) --Teratornis (talk) 20:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Two other troublesome images

There are at least two other images from Wikipedia I want to add, but can't. One is File:36th Street's Entrance.jpg. I'd also like to add File:Avenue J's Exit-Only.jpg, and though I haven't tried this yet, due to the problems with the other images with apostrphes in their names, I'm not taking any chances. ----DanTD (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Moved. See:

• w:User:Teratornis/Notes#Miscellaneous file moves
• File:36th Street Entrance.jpg
• File:Avenue J Exit-Only.jpg

You can update the references to the original files to use the Commons filenames. --Teratornis (talk) 17:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I updated the references because too much time had elapsed. I don't want to annoy the Wikipedia administrators who will delete the Wikipedia files. They don't want to do that when the old files are still in use. Now these files are in no articles:

• w:File:36th Street's Entrance.jpg
• w:File:Avenue J's Exit-Only.jpg

and are ready for an administrator to delete them. --Teratornis (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Commons Barnstar
		Wow, you got to be like the most helpful wiki user ever. We might as well rename Commons:Help desk to Teratornis' Help desk. You're all over that thing. I'm glad someone has the patience and diligence to continuously stay on top of all those newbie questions. ;-) Thank you. Cheers, Rocket000 (talk) 05:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Fortunately for the questioners, Martin H. and others are there to correct my mistakes, which illustrates the self-healing nature of wikis. I have always been fascinated by failures - what goes wrong with systems. Most people seem disturbed by failures, but failures have been the raw material for much if not most human progress, particularly when people managed to honestly confront them. There is more to learn by studying where a system doesn't work than where it does work. --Teratornis (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

SVG

Thank you, it helped me so much. --Diego Grez (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Re:HD: New template

Hey Teratornis. Thanks for your help in answering my question. Actually the website doesnot have the licensing there. In reply to my mail regarding the release of some images, they replied that each and every time I don't have to send them mail. Wikipedia can use their images under the said license and proper attribution to the website and their photograph. I have sent the mail to commons. I don't know the ticket number, but the previous ticket for a similar agreement with them is available as Ticket:2010010810008251. Maybe you can look at it and get back? -- Legolas ^{from Mirkwood} 03:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not one of the OTRS volunteers, therefore I cannot log in to OTRS to see the ticket. I don't know how to handle this case. Why won't the website put the licensing information on their site like everybody else does? All they have to do is put up one simple page. Did they actually refuse? --Teratornis (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Also note that it is not enough for the website owners to give permission to Wikipedia, they must give permission for anyone to reuse the images for any purpose including commercial use, which they will have done if they licensed the images with {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}. All this licensing stuff is difficult for many webmasters because they don't know much about copyright law and haven't really looked into it yet. If you need advice on what to ask the webmaster, there are probably tutorials somewhere which explain how they can license their site contents to make them freely reusable. And so the rest of the world can figure that out without having to jump through hoops. --Teratornis (talk) 21:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Image problems

Hi Teratornis, it's TBSDY from the English Wikipedia here. I've been doing some speedy deletion and I've noticed what I think to be a copyright violation on File:Poesis.tiff. This has been labelled public domain, but it was added to a speedied article on en.wikipedia, and I've noticed that the other image they added is not actually in the public domain. I used tineye to determine this, and it was obvious as they didn't crop out the copyright sign correctly. That image is File:Camerapoesis.jpg, which I have added a copyvio tag to.

I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with Commons, but I thought I'd alert someone who seems to frequent the commons helpdesk. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 05:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

File tagging File:HornsrevMOELLEDRIFT_250.jpg

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Kam Solusar (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually I just moved the image to Commons. The original uploader is User:Inwind on the English Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 23:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I used the script to tag the image, which also automatically adds the warning to the uploader's talk page. I know, in cases like this, the uploader often is not really the right guy to ask for more information. But it seems we can't keep the image anyway, as the permission is too restrictive for Commons (see below), sorry. --Kam Solusar (talk) 03:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

It looks that way. I must have moved that image to Commons before I began using the Push for Commons tool which automatically checks the licenses. It seems the English Wikipedia has its share of images with questionable licensing. The Commons user community seems to be more vigilant. We have plenty of Wind power photos on Commons, so this one shouldn't be missed. --Teratornis (talk) 21:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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Kam Solusar (talk) 03:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:Template:QGIS and Template:Inkscape

Thanks for the tip! Mariano (talk) 07:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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Avron (talk) 17:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The following USDOE source contains a copy of the image:

• Top 10 Program Accomplishments (PDF). U.S. Department of Energy Wind and Hydropower Technologies.

I have yet to find a separate instance of the image on NASA's image servers, but I have not finished looking.

The original uploader was User:Viterna who may be the Larry Viterna of NASA after whom the Viterna Method is named. That is, the uploader may have been one of the engineers involved in building this very wind turbine. You might add this notice to User talk:Viterna if the source I give above is insufficient. --Teratornis (talk) 23:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I tried searching for duplicates of the image with TinEye. It found an instance:

• http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/149600main_1987_05991.jpg

--Teratornis (talk) 04:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

OTRS team

Hi. :) You say above that you're not; perhaps you'd like to consider volunteering? As of this moment, we have 81 permissions letter outstanding for English Wikipedia and 428 for Commons. You've always been so incredibly good at helping people that I have to wonder if this is work that might interest you. Meta:OTRS/info-en recruiting says that they are looking for people who are sysops on one or more projects and I don't know if you're a sysop or not, but I asked User:Bastique (our volunteer coordinator), and he said that this is not hard and fast. Applicants are reviewed to see how well they fit the requirements in general. Primarily, working the permissions queue involves looking at a letter, looking at the image or article and deciding if the permission is sufficient. If it's clear on the licensing terms and it's clearly connected to the point of publication (and plausibly the copyright holder; sometimes photo subjects send this rather than the photographers), we send them a thank you and drop a template on the image/article indicating we have permission. If it's not, we send them a form letter (usually) pointing out where the problem is and asking them to fix it. I'm not an admin on Commons, so once in a while I need to run down an admin here to resurrect an image that's been deleted, but most of the time that isn't an issue. Anybody who is polite and understands the requirements of licensing can do it. :)

Anyway, if you're interested, you might drop your name in the hat at Meta:OTRS/volunteering. I'm not entirely sure what they look for — the OTRS admins make the call themselves without discussion with the volunteers — but it does seem to me that you'd be a very good fit for the position. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I might look at this after I learn to draw maps. I have not yet uploaded anything that needs OTRS, and I don't plan to. I only upload things that are freely licensed or in the public domain. I mention OTRS a lot on the Help desk because the Help desk gets a lot of questions from people who want to upload things that are not freely licensed or in the public domain. The way I look at it is there are millions of free things we can upload, so why waste one second uploading anything that requires more work? Let's pick all the low-hanging fruit and worry about the hard stuff when the easy stuff has run out. In the time someone spends fiddling with OTRS they could upload dozens of free files. But I don't usually advise people that way because when someone comes to the Help desk they have probably fixed in their mind that they are going to upload this one certain file no matter what it takes. If someone is a take-the-path-of-least-resistance type, they would have moved on to something else at the first sign of difficulty with the non-free file. --Teratornis (talk) 05:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. :) A lot of the text stuff we got at OTRS at least would be better for us all if they'd just rewrite it. :/ Good luck with map drawing. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Oliver_SCPA_Cincinnati_1992.jpg

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Nasty Housecat (talk) 05:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

New Map of wind in the USA

There is a new map from the Government that will update the one seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Wind_Resources_and_Transmission_Lines_map.jpg

see http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/map_wind_national_lo-res.jpg

Not sure how to manually update. Hi-Res here as well. http://www.nrel.gov/gis/wind.html

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Underlying lk (talk) 21:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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Affected:

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And also:

• File:Bahrain World Trade Center 454690532.jpg

Yours sincerely, russavia (talk) 06:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

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--Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 15:00, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Commons:Why is Commons so complicated? was very well written! -- RZuo (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)