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Work requests

Lieben Dank für die Informationen zu Commons:Bots/Work requests. Habe dort auch eine Anfrage gestellt. PaulT (talk) 10:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Fotos mit unklaren Motiven - vermutlich sächsisches Elbtal

Hallo Stefan, ich habe eine kleine Auswahl an Fotos mit (sicher begrenztem) dokumentatorischen Wert, vermutlich entlang der Elbe und Umgebung in der groben Gegend Dresden-Meißen-Torgau. Kannst du mit Ortskenntnis das genauer eingrenzen? Gruß Arjoopy (talk) 19:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Arjoopy (talk) 19:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@Arjoopy: Zwei Bilder konnte ich sofort zuordnen. Beide Torgau. Da fragen wir doch mal die Ortskundigen: @Lutzto und @Radler59: Könnt ihr die anderen Aufnahmen zuordnen. Beste Grüße --sk (talk) 21:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
@Arjoopy: Bis auf das Bild 05 mit der Pflanze konnten wir jetzt alles zusordnen. Großer Dank an @PaulT, er hat die meisten Fotos verortet. --sk (talk) 12:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
@Arjoopy: Bei der Pflanze tippe ich auf Döbernsche Grube Nordwest‎ oder Döbernsche Grube Südost in Döbern (Elsnig). Das Foto wurde 11 Uhr aufgenommen und gegen 10:30 war der Fotograf noch in Torgau. In 30 Minuten ist das laut OSM mit Fahrraf gut zu schaffen. --sk (talk) 12:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Das ist ja phänomenal, diese detektivische Arbeit! Ich danke allen Beteiligten! Beste Grüße aus Thüringen, Arjoopy (talk) 16:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Ich habe die Frage an die Ortskundigen erst heute gesehen und denke Du hast recht mit der Verortung. N. m. E. ist es die Döbernsche Grube Südost Radler59 (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, Rosenzweig τ 14:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Kanaldeckel

Hallo Stefan, wie kommst Du drauf, dass der Kanaldeckel in Thüringen ist? Stepro (talk) 19:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Na das Bild hatte schon die c:Category:Manhole covers in Thuringia. Da hab ich nur noch c:Category:2023 in Thuringia dazu gefügt. Siehe Diff. Beste Grüße --sk (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Achja, klar. Das war ja der Uploader selbst. Der weiß zwar nicht, wo er war, aber weiß, dass es Thüringen war. :-D Stepro (talk) 21:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Rote Kategorien

Hallo Stefan, von dir nach Commons übertragene Dateien haben oft eine rote Kategorie. Mittels insource:/\[\[Category:Datei:/ beispielsweise werden diverse von dir transferierte Dateien gefunden. Magst du dort nacharbeiten? --Leyo 21:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Danke für den Hinweis. Ich transferiere oft Ansichtskarten von de nach Commons. Da hab ich wohl bei einigen die Nacharbeit vergessen. Ich schau mal über die Liste. Danke das du dich darum kümmerst. --sk (talk) 04:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Spelling

@Stefan Kühn: would you take a look ad the description you added? Thank you ever so much Lotje (talk) 06:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

How to ask for speedy-delete of an empty category

When you want to ask for speedy-delete of an empty category, best practice is to mark it with {{SD|C2}} if it would be OK to re-create it in the future, given that appropriate content becomes available or {{SD|C1}} if it is an inappropriate category name that should not be reused. In particular, this is better practice than just blanking the category page, as you did at Category:Willsdruffer Straße. ("C1" and "C2" come from Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion). Jmabel ! talk 23:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Jmabel, I use {{speedydelete|moved to [[:Category:…]] because …}} or something. And I forget this category when I using the new tool Commons:Flickypedia. --sk (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Something like that would work, too, but in this case you just blanked it. {{SD}} is the same as {{Speedydelete}}. - Jmabel ! talk 07:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, Martin Sg. (talk) 19:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hi. Do you happen to know a good category for images of people mailing objects? I'd like to make one for people mailing postcards but I can't find anything in Category:Mail that could serve as a parent category. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 03:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

We have c:Category:Postcards and people and there is also c:Category:People with objects by activity and under this we have c:Category:People using objects. Did you have an example of an image? Like this:
    • Best regads --sk (talk) 05:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

    Subpages for the project

    Hi. I was thinking about creating subpages for the project since the main page is getting kind of long and I'd like to expand a couple of sections. For instance the todo list. We could also streamline the design a little that way to. Although I guess it doesn't matter that much, but I don't want the main page to be to long either. So would you have a problem with me creating subpages and moving some of the content on the main page to them? Adamant1 (talk) 09:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

    Please be free to do this. When I start the project page I look at Commons:WikiProject Aviation. I like the multilingualism. So I think it would very good for future growing also to translate all of this subpages. Last days I found en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. There I like the idea of a Main-Discussion-Page. And I like to have something like en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy/Mailing list. Maybe first you can set a notice on the Commons talk:WikiProject Postcards about your plans and the possible structure of the subpages. Maybe other participants will see this and have other good ideas. --sk (talk) 10:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    Cool. I'll look into how other projects are organized and leave a note about my plans on the main talk page before I do anything in case anyone else has any ideas. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

    Fehler gemacht beim Kategorisieren von Postcards of Ohio

    Hallo Stefan Kühn,


    leider habe ich einen Fehler gamacht bei der Kategorisierung von Postcards of Columbus und Postcards of Ohio. Man müsste letzendlich nach den Postkarten in Category:Media contributed by Columbus Metropolitan Library nach Columbus, Ohio suchen und alle Postkarten und die nicht in Postcards of Ohio und Postcards of Columbus, Ohio zu Postcards of Columbus, Ohio hinzufügen. Gibt es ein passende Tool dafür. Ich habe Cat-a-lot genutzt nur irgendwie ist mir ein Fehler unterlaufen.

    Und zwar habe ich nach einer Stichwortsuche nach "Columbus, Ohio" IncategoryːPostcards of Ohio Alle gefunden Postkarten nach Postcards of Columbus, Ohio hinzgefügt. Nur dann habe ich irgenwie beim Enfernen der Postkarten derselben Postkartengruppe der Katgeorie Postcards of Ohio irgendein Fehler gemacht. Kannst du mir eventuell irgendwie weiterhelfen?

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen

    CuratorOfThePast (talk) 20:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

    Ich versuch es mal über meine Bearbeitungshistorie mit Cat-a-lot CuratorOfThePast (talk) 20:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
    Habe den Fehler glaube ich behoben CuratorOfThePast (talk) 20:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
    @CuratorOfThePast: Just an FYI, but there's a revert button on Cat-A-Lot that appears for a few second after you make an edit. I've never had any luck with it myself for some reason, but you might try that next time. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you for the tip, i noticed the button too but after i reverted the edits manually. CuratorOfThePast (talk) 22:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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    Seawolf35 (talk) 13:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

    Question about postcard

    Hi. Do you think the "Kub" thing on the side of File:La Touraine 01.jpg is a logo or something like a sticker that someone added to it after the fact? It looks like a logo to me, but I don't think I've seen one like that before. So I was wondering what you think about it. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 08:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

    Hmm, it is unclear. I never seen this on another postcard. It look like a onprint. I dont see edges from a sticker. I found another postcard here. It is a "Advertising Kub Bouillon". So it is no logo. --sk (talk) 08:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
    Interesting. Good find with the other postcard. Your probably right that it's not a logo. I'll have to do more research. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
    Google for "Advertising Kub Bouillon". You will find many other advertising of this french Category:Bouillon cube.--sk (talk) 08:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
    Apparently there's some other postcards by them in Category:Maggi Bouillon. Although I still agree that it's probably not a logo. At least for the publisher. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

    So it looks like we have around 20,500 files left. There appears be at least a couple of licensing templates containing the word "postcard" that I can't find the origin of or probably have the ability to edit the word out of. You can find one of them in File:2014-03-21 0035 i Brettenbach Freiamt.JPG. Is there a way you can just exclude the template from the search somehow since people are throwing a fit about the maintenance categories? There's also some files with the word "postcard" in their file names. I'm not sure what to do about those because if we rename and redirect them the redirect will still come up in search results. So maybe you can figure out a way to deal with that to. I'm not sure if redirects can be excluded from the search or not, I don't see why they couldn't be though. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

    ISA Tool für Postkarten?

    Hallo @Stefan Kühn:

    ich dachte, dass es sinnvoll wäre eine Kampagne bei dem ISA Tool anzulegen für das hinzufügen von Structured Data bzw. Depict Statements zu Postkarten?

    CuratorOfThePast (talk) 14:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

    Danke für den Hinweis. Ja leg bitte mal so ein Kampagne an. Ich hab mit dem Tool noch nicht gearbeitet, sieht aber recht gut aus. Danke dir auch für die Hilfe bei den unsortierten Ansichtskarten. Beste Grüße --sk (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    Mir ist nur aufgefallen, dass maximal 5 Unterkategorien erfasst werden. Dann wäre jetzt die Frage mit welcher Kategorie erreicht man vorzugeweise jede Postkarte im Kategorienbaum. Oder man müsste eine Auswahl an Kategorien treffen? CuratorOfThePast (talk) 19:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    Ich habe jetzt mal einfach eine Kampagne mit einigen Kategorien gestartetː https://isa.toolforge.org/campaigns/317 CuratorOfThePast (talk) 19:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
    Hallo CuratorOfThePast, der aktuelle Stand gefällt mir noch nicht so gut. Man bekommt haufenweise Postkarten vorgeschlagen, die schon sehr tief in dem Kategorienbaum drin sind. Da fehlt also nur noch das Motiv in SDC. Das kann man da aber viel leichter mit dem SDC-Tool von Mangnus erledigen. Ich würde deshalb eher so eine Category wie Category:Postcards of Ohio angehnen. Hab versucht eine Campanie anzulegen, aber es hat irgendwie nicht geklappt. Vielleicht kannst du das ja nochmal versuchen. --sk (talk) 09:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
    Ich habe jetzt mal zu Category:Postcards of Ohio gändert. CuratorOfThePast (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
    Super. Hab ich mich da vertippt? Habs am Handy probiert. Da ist Copy-Past ein Krampf. Bei Ohio macht das jetzt auch richtig Spaß. Für deine Kampagne hätte ich hier noch einige große Postkartenkategorien. Die kannst du ja mit einbauen, wenn es passt. Schau mal unter User:Stefan_Kühn/Postcards#Big_collections_to_check. --sk (talk) 12:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
    Habe die anderen Katgeorien eben beigefügt. CuratorOfThePast (talk) 14:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
    Super. Besten Dank. Jetzt bekommt man viele interessantere Postkarten vorgeschlagen, wo das Hinzufügen der strukturierten Daten sehr viel hilfreicher ist. Wie konntest du an der Kampagne "Postcards of Ohio" noch was ändern? Ich sehe bei deiner Kampagne keine Edit Schalter. Darf vermutlich nur der Ersteller. Ich würde die Kampange "Postcards of Ohio" einfach einstellen. Kannst du diese Kategorie auch noch in deine Kampange "WikiProject Postcards" aufnehmen. Damit zersplittern wir die personellen Kräfte nicht so. - Noch was anderes. Ich hab vor einiger Zeit mal c:User:Stefan_Kühn/Postcards#SDC_for_Postcards hier versucht die zukünftig Vergabe von bei SDC bei Postkarten an einigen Beispielen durchzuspielen. Aus heutiger Sicht würde ich aber d:Q100140585 noch weiter unterteilen. Also müssten wir für "Ungeteilte Adressseite einer Postkarte" und für "Geteilte Adressseite einer Postkarte" noch extra Wikidata-Objekte einrichten. Dann könnte man diese Bilder bei ISA auch sauber mit einem Wikidata-Objekt versehen. Wie siehst du das? --sk (talk) 14:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
    Ja, die Kampagnen kann man anscheinend nur als Ersteller bearbeiten. Die Wikimedia Commons CategoryːPostcards of Ohio habe ich schon der Kampagne WikiProject Postcards hinzugefügt. Das wäre gut, dann könnte man anschließend noch eine ensprechendes Motivstatemtent setzen. Leider kann man ja bei ISA nur Motive und keine anderen strukturierten Daten beifügen? CuratorOfThePast (talk) 21:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
    Irgendwie lädt die Kampagne WIkiproject Postcards nicht mehr? CuratorOfThePast (talk) 11:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
    Wenn du auf die Startseite der Kampangne gehst zeigt er in dem Kasten "Image 0" eine blaue Uhr an. Das ist ein Zeichen, das er die Kategorien gerade durchforstet. Wenn er damit fertig ist, zeigt er dann wie gestern wieder "Images 17000" oder so an. Vielleicht nimmst du bei der Kampangne erstmal ein paar Kategorien heraus. 5000-10000 Bilder würden für den Anfang erstmal ausreichen. Wenn wir die dann abgearbeitet haben, kannst du ja die Kategorien wieder mit rein nehmen. --sk (talk) 12:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
    Wir könnten ersteinmal Postcards of Ohio aus dem ISA Tool eigentlich herausnehmen, da man vermutlich die meisten relativ einfach halb automatisiert mit Kategorien und Motiv Daten versehen kann. Dies vor allem deshalb, da die Ansichtskarten relativ gut Betitelt sind. Für die Kategorisierung kann man vorzugsweise deinen Postcardcatfnder nutzen und die Suchanfrage gegebenfalls anpassen. Mit Cat-a-lot dann entsprechend Kategorisieren. Anschließend kann man strukturierte Daten über PetScan mit einem Suchfilter für Page 1 und über ein PagePile Export Motivstatements mit AC/DC setzen? CuratorOfThePast (talk) 20:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
    Kannst du die Category:Unsorted postcards mit aufnehmen? Ich glaube Ohio ist schon gut abgearbeitet. --sk (talk) 05:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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    Adeletron 3030 (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

    Question about "Logos of postcard publishers"

    Hi. Logos of postcard publishers is getting a little long in the tooth. I keep missing logos I'm looking for and I've been browsing (as well as editing) it for at least a couple of years now. So I can't imagine how anyone else can use it to find anything. Would you mind if I split it off into two different galleries, one for people and the other for postcard publishing companies like we have for categories now? Tangentially related, but I've been working on a table of postcard publishers at User:Adamant1/Postcard publishers that includes logos, word marks, stamp fields, and examples of postcards. I don't think it's ready for time primetime yet, but maybe we can transition to something like that at some point for a gallery of the main category or something like an essay on how to identify publishers once there are more images of word marks and stamp boxes on here. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 13:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

    Hello @Adamant1, I think the split in two galleries is not helpful. If I find a logo on a postcard, then I don't know it is a logo for a one-men-company (people) or a logo of a big publishing company with more then one employees. I my opinion, in the future your table should be generated by Wikidata. But we have to fill Wikidata with this data. I like your columns logo, wordmark, stamp field and marquee. I think we can build for every single column an own table (or later individual wikidata-requests). So the table will not so big. This is better for searching.
    If you want, we can also make a video call via Zoom, so we can talk better about the topic. We can also add more people like User:CuratorOfThePast and more.
    Two month ago I bought an old book in USA: "Publishers' trademarks identified" by Walter E. Corson, Edited by James Lewis Lowe (112 pages) ISBN 0-913783-11-7 (ISBN is correct, See here) . It has a big collection of logos (many drawn freehand). I want scan this and use this for the project. Maybe you can contact this people in USA. Dr. James Lewis Lowe, Norwood, Pennsylvania) So maybe it will help you and maybe we get can upload it to Commons. Best regards. --sk (talk) 10:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
    I can understand for publishers in Germany. At least in the United States if it's the name of a person, then we assume it's for a one man company or at least should be credited that way. For instance Frank Patterson took most, (if not all of) the photographs for his postcards, but also owned a photographic studio where he employeed a couple of people that helped him with printing them. Yet he's still the main, or only, person credited. I don't think it's helpful or would anything to make it "Category:Frank Patterson publishing company" or whatever.
    But if the publisher is clearly a company there's no reason not to sub-categorize it in a category for publishing companies. Otherwise you end up putting categories for companies in something that's a child for Category:Publishers when it clearly just has to do with people, not businesses. So it's just wrong and doesn't follow the guidelines. It doesn't matter much anyway. I'd argue there would be way less mistakes by putting categories for companies in Category:Postcard publishing companies. Even if a few of them here and there might be ambiguous. I don't think it's worth ignoring the guidelines by putting categories for companies in one's clearly meant for people just because of how it is in Germany either. No offense, but we do follow English/American conventions.
    Anyway, I'd probably be down for doing a zoom call with you and other people involved in the project at some point. There's some stuff that might be better going over that way compared to messaging about it on here anyway. Maybe after I finish up the couple of things I'm currently working on. I'll have to look into the book you baught in the meantime. I'll see if I can find a copy of it. Then we can work out uploading the logos to Commons. I'd like to find a middle ground between the two different categories based on people versus companies though since I don't think dumping everything into one main category/gallery is helpful long-term. I'm fine with doing the table on Wikidata's end though once the information has been added that way. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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    Yours sincerely, Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

    Dresdner Straßenbahnen

    Servus, danke für deine Bearbeitungen meiner Dresden-Uploads. In meinem Dresden-Album habe ich einige Fotos der 150-Jahr-Feier der Straßenbahnen, 2022. Einige der Bahnen konnte ich zuordnen, andere leider nicht. Magst du da mal rein schauen, oder gibt es eine Seite, über die ich es leichter zuordnen könnte? Die Fotos der Straßenbahnen finden sich in dem Album unter Augustusbrücke, Schloßplatz und Theaterplatz. Liebe Grüße wuppertaler Post um 11:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

    @Der-wuppertaler: Hab einiges Zuordnen können, aber ich bin kein Fachmann für Straßenbahnen. --sk (talk) 13:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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