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Yours sincerely EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wilhelm Pfeffer

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Wilhelm Pfeffer

Ich habe gerade einige Änderungen in dem von Dir gescannten und hochgeladenen Foto von Wilhelm Pfeffer vorgenommen. Aus lizenzrechtlicher Sicht, ist es wichtiger, wer das Foto damals aufgenommen hat, als wer es gescannt und hochgeladen hat. Daher solltest Du bitte in den anderen von Dir hochgeladenen Fotos den Lizenzbaustein {{PD-old-1923}} statt {{self|cc-by-sa-4.0}} verwenden, wenn der Fotograf/Urheber seit mehr als 70 Jahren verstorben ist und das Foto vor dem 1. Januar 1926 veröffentlicht wurde. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 05:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Ihre Mail

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Hallo, Das Problem an den Bildern ist dass sie als "eigenes Werk" (Vorlage {{Own}}) deklariert sind und unter falscher Lizenz hochgeladen wurden. Auch das Datum meist war falsch. Was müsste geändert werden:

  • Das Datum (Feld Date) auf das wirkliche Enstegungsdatum der originalen Photographie ändern.
  • Die Quelle (Feld Source) von {{Own}} z.B. auf {{Self scanned}} ändern.
  • Den Autor (Feld Author) auf den ursprüngliche Fotografen ändern, am besten mit Angaben zum Todesjahr, denn gemeingültig werden Bilder erst nach mehr als 70 Jahren nach dem Tod des Urhebers.
  • Die Lizenz müsste geändert werden. Bei Photographien von vor 1900 kann man {{PD-old-assumed}} verwenden. Bei Bildern danach brucht es die Lebensdaten des Photographen und abhängig von Todesjahr dann {{PD-scan|PD-old-auto|deathyear=YYYY}}. Sollte das Todesjahr nach 1950 (heute von 70 Jahrne) liegen bräuchte es eine Gemehmigung des bzw. der Erben des Photographen durch das sog. Commons:OTRS.
  • Falls die Photographien vor 1950 enstanden sind, der Urheber aber (absichtlich) anonym geblieben ist ist wäre auch noch als Lizenz {{Anonymous-EU}} möglich.

Gruß --JuTa 13:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Von dir hochgeladene Bilder

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Hallo Roentgenmuseum. Du bist mit Sicherheit sehr enttäuscht, dass die meisten von dir hochgeladenen Bilder gelöscht wurden. Es lag einerseits an falschen Angaben in der Beschreibung, anderseits an deiner Passivität. Du hast von anderen Kollegen zwei Mitteilungen bekommen, dass du falsche Angeben in der Beschreibungen machst, was dazu führt, dass die Bilder zum Löschen vorgeschlagen wurden. Wenn du die Angaben korrigiert hättest, wären die Bilder nicht gelöscht worden. Wenn du etwas weiter nicht verstanden hast, hättest du nachfragen sollen. Die gelöschten Bilder können weiterhin wieder sichtbar gemacht werden, aber jetzt bedeutet das mehr Arbeit als ursprünglich. Commons ist kein Spielkasten und hier muss man beim Hochladen der Bilder die geltenden Regeln respektieren, was - wenn man sie verstanden hat - gar nicht so schwer ist. Ich würde mich freuen, wenn du dich wieder am Hochladen beteiligen würdest. Ich bin auch bereit die Angeben in den ersten von dir neu hochgeladenen Bildern zu korrigieren unter der Bedingung, dass du bereit bist aus den Fehlern zu lernen. Mewa767 (talk) 03:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Mewa767,
der Nachlass von Prof. Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen wird von uns komplett auf der Plattform museum-digital.de publiziert. Das Hochladen von Portraitaufnahmen einzelner Persönlichkeiten bei Wikipedia habe ich nur angefangen, weil ich bei der Recherche nach diesen Personen bemerkt habe dass zu ebendiesen Personen gutes Bildmaterial fehlt oder ergänzungswürdig wäre. Da ich diese Arbeit freiwillig, neben meiner bezahlten Arbeit erledige, muss das für mich schnell und unkompliziert passieren können. Sonst muss es eben unterbleiben.
Meine konkreten Anmerkungen/Fragen zu den Angaben in der Mail von JuTa vom 4.7.2021:
- Datierung: Die Datierung aller im Nachlass basiert auf unseren wissenschaftlichen Recherchen. Mit welchem Recht behauptet JuTa "Auch das Datum war meist falsch."?
- Quelle: Es ist kein Problem als Source "Self scanned" anzugeben, eine Bedingung für die Weiterverbreitung unserer Sammlungsgegenstände ist aber die Nennung der Quelle "Deutsches Röntgen-Museum", oder besser "Nachlass Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen im Deutschen Röntgen-Museum, Remscheid-Lennep". Das ist beim dem einzig verbliebenen Bild (88974 Wilhelm Pfeffer (vor 1884).jpg) aber nicht der Fall. Dort steht als Quelle nur "Self scanned". Wenn der Nachlass nicht als Quelle genannt werden kann, ist das für das Museum ein Ausschlusskriterium.
- Was ist mit Fotografien, deren Fotograf nicht bekannt ist? Nicht alle Bilder haben einen bedruckten Fotokarton. Alle entstanden aber vor Röntgens Tod im Jahre 1923. Ich nehme an "Anonymous-EU"?
- Was ist mit Fotografien, deren Fotograf zwar mit Namen, aber nicht mit Todesdatum bekannt ist? Öffentlich zugängliche Lebensdaten habe ich generell übernommen, aber ich habe kein Zeitbudget um in Archiven zu den Lebensdaten weniger bekannter Fotografen zu recherchieren.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
roentgenmuseum
(Marcel Michels M.A.
Archivar Deutsches Röntgen-Museum
Remscheid-Lennep) Roentgenmuseum (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Hallo, es ist Schade, dass du auf deiner (bei Wikipedia und Commons ist es üblich sich zu duzen, auch wenn man sich nicht kennt) Benutzerseite nicht erklärt hast, so wie in dieser Nachricht, wer du bist. Einen Namen „Roentgenmuseum“ könnte sich jeder zulegen, aber wenn man auf der Seite erklärt, was das auf sich hat, kommt es besser an. Bei Commons wird in erster Hinsicht darauf geschaut, wie lange jemand dabei ist. Die Neulinge werden besonders beobachtet, weil sie am häufigsten Fehler machen. In deinem Fall gab es tatsächlich bei jedem Bild viele Fehler. Die wichtigste waren Angabe der Lizenz als eigenes Werk, obwohl die Bilder nicht von dir gemacht wurden. Wenn die Bilder alle vor 1923 entstanden sind, könnte man – wenn man die Lebensdaten der Fotografen nicht feststellen kann – die Lizenz {{PD-old-1923}} verwenden. Die bedeutet, dass seit dem entstehen des Fotos mindestens 95 Jahre vergangen sind und in diesem Fall sind solche Fotos grundsätzlich frei. Für den Anfang schlage ich vor, dass du Fotos einstellst, die eindeutig sind: das heißt entweder vor 1902 entstanden (d.h. vor mindestens 120 Jahren) oder von Fotografen gemacht, deren Lebensdaten bekannt sind. Wenn solche Bilder richtig eingestellt werden, werden die Leute nicht mehr meckern. Später kann man andere Fotos einstellen und die gelöschten Fotos wieder sichtbar machen.
Um darzustellen, dass die Bilder aus einem bestimmten Museum stammen, wird normalerweise eine (oder nach Bedarf mehrere) Kategorie angelegt, in diesem Fall könnte sie heißen [[Category:Deutsches Röntgen-Museum]]. In dieser Kategorie könnte man allgemeine Fotos des Museums sammeln – Ansichten von außen (wenn das Museum ein separates Gebäude besitzt) und von innen. Die Sammlungen des Museums kann man dann in der Unterkategorie [[Category:Collections of Deutsches Röntegn-Museum]] gruppieren. Falls das Museum Sammlungen verschiedener Art besitzt sollte man diese Kategorie entsprechend unterteilen.
Für den Anfang schlage ich vor, dass du ein weiteres Bild einstellst, so gut du kannst (du kannst als Vorbild das Bild [[File:W Hornung - 88074 Wilhelm Pfeffer (vor 1884).jpg]] verwenden – ich habe es etwas umbenannt, um zu verdeutlichen, wer der Autor war) und ich werde es anschließend überprüfen, korrigieren und das kommentieren. Wenn du deine bisherigen Fehler richtig verstanden hast, dann wirst du später selbst weitere Bilder einstellen können, ohne großen Zeitaufwand. Wenn du mir vorher erklärst, wie das mit dem Röntgen-Museum ist, werde ich hier die richtigen Kategorien angelegen, die du dann selbst benutzen kannst.
Zu der Datierung. JuTa hat sich möglicherweise unpräzise geäußert, weil es ihm darum ging, dass die angegebene Datierung im Widerspruch stand zu der Angabe „eigenes Werk“. Wissenschaftliche Recherchen sind die beste Grundlage, ein nicht datiertes Werk zu datieren.
Übrigens viele Fotografen kann man entweder in Commons oder in Wikidata finden. Falls man einen Fotografen nicht findet, sollte man ihn anlegen, damit die fehlenden Daten später von anderen Benutzern leicht ergänzt werden können. Viele Grüße --Mewa767 (talk) 04:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Marcel Michels, ich habe versucht zu helfen, weil ich davon überzeugt bin, dass die von dir eingestellten Bilder ein großer Gewinn wären. Ich kann aber nicht helfen, wenn du schweigst. Es kann sein, dass in dem, was ich geschrieben habe, etwas unverständlich für dich war oder dass der Aufwand dir zu groß erscheint. Wenn ich nicht weiß, kann ich darauf nicht reagieren. Ich kann nur versichern, dass wenn man den Mechanismus richtig verstanden hat, der Aufwand beim Hochladen gar nicht größer ist, als der, den du bis jetzt hattest. Gruß --Mewa767 (talk) 13:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]