User talk:Revent/Archive 16

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Affected:

And also:

Yours sincerely, MCMLXXXIX 18:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Resolution cat changes

Hi Revent, thanks for your resolution category sorting. Would you please mark those uncontroversial edits as "minor", so they can be sorted properly on watchlists? Thanks, czar 07:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

@Czar: Well, I'm doing the vast majority with VFC, and it doesn't have that as an option. I 'think' temporarily setting 'mark all edits as minor by default' will work, let's see. TBH, this is something that would really be suitable for a bot, but It would be rather hard to do (I think) as the resolution isn't exposed on the file pages unless you actually parsed the rendered text. - Reventtalk 07:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
@Czar: Yep, that worked... thanks for mentioning it, I really was not intending to flood anyone (I was somewhat assuming that most people would not have 'enough' watched for it to be a problem, but this is better). Thanks. - Reventtalk 07:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
No sweat—I just happened to have uploaded a lot of videos. Happy editing! czar 07:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

USA PD relative discussion

Hello, and best wishes! I notify you this discussion in case you may be interested in it. Christian Ferrer (talk) 09:34, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Rassist

Wer unbegründet andere Menschen als Rassisten bezeichnet, begeht nicht nur einen persönlichen Angriff. Andere Menschen sehen darin auch eine Beleidigung und Herabsetzung. Und sowas heißt du gut. Angesichts solcher Aussagen besteht hier keine Vertrauen mehr darin, dass du deine erweiterten Funktionen im Sinne des Projektes nutzt. Du solltest darüber nachdenken sie abzugeben. Liesel (talk) 07:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@Liesel: I can only reply to a translation of your message. I said nothing about the 'racist' comments. I simply talked about the block itself, which was imposed with the consent of the oversight team. All that can be said, without violating the privacy policy, is that Dr. Gross re-uploaded previously oversighted content after being warned not to do so, and that he can be unblocked when the issue is resolved. - Reventtalk 07:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #243

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Attended the Wikimedia Developer Summit to talk about a lot of things (including editing Wikidata from Wikipedia directly, back-end work for structured data support for Commons - specifically Multi Content Revisions, ideas for improvements to the query service)
    • Final touches to get ArticlePlaceholder pages ready for search engine indexing
    • Continued working on "federation" – support for multiple Wikibase repositories (phab:T76007)
    • Clickable prototype for client editing is finally in the works!

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.

File:Philipp Peter Roos (Rosa da Tivoli), Shepherd with sheep and Goat.jpg

@Revent: I incidentally revealed personal information when uploading a photo, after which I found help on the administrator´s noticeboard. The file is replaced and deleted now. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) suggests to turn to an oversighter, to have the old version made inaccessible to administrators as well. I´d be grateful if you could do that for me! File:Philipp Peter Roos (Rosa da Tivoli), Shepherd with sheep and Goat.jpg

Please let me know, if I had better chosen another way to "contact the overnighters"! Thanks--Nero Reising (talk) 10:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nero Reising: This is fine... we have a mailing list, but it's really only needed when the 'request itself' exposes personal info. Srittau I undeleted the two old versions, and then just suppressed 'the files themselves', since there was no need to make the log entries go away. - Reventtalk 10:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. When deleting them I actually found out that there is a difference between "suppressing" and "deleting". I intended to do the former and wondered why the versions didn't show up anymore. I had never noticed before that there is a difference ... Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
@Srittau: Well... missed a bit. 'Suppression' is the tool OSs use... it's identical to regular deletion, except for the 'hide from admins' checkbox. Regular deletion can be more 'granular' than is typically used, tho. Use 'change visibility' in the history on the file page... it's like deleting an edit summary, but not the edit itself (or vice versa). - Reventtalk 12:51, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #244

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • New administrator: Pyb is now admin on Wikidata!
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Development
    • Created a new Special:EntityPage, needed for federation (phabricator:T153499)
    • Sitelink "name" and "badges" in diffs are now translated (phabricator:T111016)
    • Worked on finalizing mockups for editing Wikidata from Wikipedia and co. Now working on the click-dummy for it so we can try it with you.
    • Last touches for automated sitelinks for Wiktionary.
    • A ton of refactoring needed for Wiktionary support.
    • More research on improving our input widgets (for example URL and date).

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.


Category:Video display resolution 640 x 360, etc.

Hi, could you explain the purpose of these categories to me? Maybe adding them is something a bot or MediaWiki should be doing? Legoktm (talk) 17:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Legoktm: Unfortunately, I don't think there is really an elegant way to get a bot to do it.... the info is in the database, but it's only exposed in the 'rendered' file pages... it's not shown by the API.
To be clear, I didn't 'start' creating these categories, or adding the videos to them. The 'parent' category was created in 2010, discussed at CFD, and kept. I've just (as well as other people) been working on actually populating them consistently (but there were already many thousands categorized). I can think of a couple of different reasons for them, but the main one that pops to mind is simply to make the 'oddball' sizes stand out... it appears that a significant part of the time ones that are in odd resolutions are 'via' external sources like YouTube, and are likely available in better copies (lower generation, if nothing else) elsewhere.
For instance, I've seen a fair number of old movies that appear to have been digitized and posted to a website, downloaded and reuploaded to YouTube (where they are re-transcoded, often with 'black bars' added, sometimes with a watermark from the owner of the YouTube channel), then downloaded from there, transcoded 'again' to remove the black bars, and uploaded here. All that makes them much less useful than they would be if someone hunted down the first digital version (and they typically seem to end up with some weird resolution in the process).
I'd also note that, from comments people have made here and on IRC, most people seem to think it's not controversial (the main 'issue' seemed to be simply a request that I set the edits as minor when doing them in any kind of quantity.
Basically, though, it simply makes the resolution available via searches and the API when it otherwise would not be. - Reventtalk 20:43, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
It's exposed via the API, iiprop=dimensions. Writing a bot for this should be pretty simple if you think it's a good idea. Legoktm (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Ok, so I obviously don't know where to find stuff in the API docs, lol. Yeah, I think it would likely be a good thing.. if nothing else, it would save manual effort. Like I said, I have the impression that most people consider it a 'good idea' to categorize them that way... about a third of the ogg videos on Commons are already in Ogv videos (which is far more pointless), so it's not exactly like it would make much sense for someone to complain about the category size. - Reventtalk 22:58, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Filmed presentations

Hi Revent, would you say that all videos of presentations must have releases of performance rights and releases for any preparatory notes? If there is to be a precedent for guidelines and policy, I would consider first enforcing this standard for files released within our own community, such as Category:Videos_of_Jimmy_Wales and Category:Wikimedia_presentations_by_person. Though we may have releases of the video and releases of presentation slides, there has been no performance rights releases. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 09:20, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@Fae: Generally, yes, at least if US law applies. See https://www.copyright.gov/comp3/chap800/ch800-performing-arts.pdf section 803.3. The 'caveat' here would be that if the licensor of the video owned all of the involved copyrights (such as if the person had their own performance filmed by an employee) then the license of the 'work at hand' (the video) would be sufficient... the author of the 'recording', however, can only license their own contributions to the finished work. They can clearly 'use' the recording themselves (as they had permission to create it), but they cannot grant rights in the underlying material (that they do not own) to others. - Reventtalk 05:30, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #245

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • RDF exports will contain sitelink page names as strings in addition to the URLs (phab:T148923)
    • Switching the remaining special pages for labels, descriptions and aliases to the OOUI design (phab:T48248)
    • Finalizing the security review of the Cognate extension for Wiktionary (phab:T149082)
    • We plan to provide og:image Open Graph tags for sharing Item pages in social networks (phab:T51859)
    • Introducing a new test framework for special pages (phab:T69122)
    • Refactoring the wbeditentity API to work with the new Lexeme entity type (phab:T154288)
    • Added docs/change-op-serializations.wiki documenting how to use the wbeditentity API
    • Added a CREDITS file to the Wikibase code base, listing all authors

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.


License review query

I have taken & edited a screenshot of Heena Sidhu from this YouTube video, which was uploaded by TEN Sports for the promotion of 2014 Commonwealth Games. Its license is compatible for its upload here, as you can check by clicking on the SHOW MORE label under the video. In fact, the video is similar to the source of File:P.V. Sindhu.png. Will you review the file if I upload it here? - NitinMlk (talk) 20:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't wait for long. So, I uploaded it – File:Heena Sidhu, promo for 2014 CWG.jpg. Please also review File:Vijender Singh at Femina Miss India 2014.jpg. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
@NitinMlk: Both reviewed. When uploading from YouTube, please use the {{From YouTube}} template as the source, especially when uploading a screenshot. The 'time' parameter makes it much easier to check, and it adds the 'Media from YouTube' category. Thanks. - Reventtalk 02:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing licenses & rectifying my mistake! I will make sure to use the template mentioned by you. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:14, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
@NitinMlk: It wasn't really a mistake... it's not required to use any of the various 'source specific templates', it's just helpful to do so. - Reventtalk 19:30, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:45, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

This DR

Dear Revent,

Do you have any opinions about this mass DR that I filed? If you do, please feel free to give your opinions (for or against) in the DR since someone has filed an objection. I filed it in good faith. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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MamaTried edits

Your suppression of MamaTried edits on User talk:EugeneZelenko did not work. I undid the edit but it is still showing in the history. Could you look at this again as I am not familiar with those tools. --Jarekt (talk) 12:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jarekt: Thanks. I wasn't suppressing it (the same guy has spewed the same stuff before, on other random pages) just rev-deleting it. The problem is that I was doing it from his 'contributions history', instead of the 'page history', and I didn't realize that SignBot had made an edit after him that had preserved the text. Have to delete both. I'll double check the other pages also. Thanks. - Reventtalk 18:48, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I suspect that this was it. I found it by checking what pages link to user's page and that was the only one. Suppression vs. rev-deletion is just me not knowing the lingo, as I usually do not deal with those tasks. But I am sure glad that someone reverts stuff like this. Regards. --Jarekt (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
@Jarekt: Yeah, it's a bit obscure, but 'suppression' is the technical term for what oversighters actually 'do'.... the button is "Suppress data from administrators as well as others". - Reventtalk 19:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Copyvio rev del

I mainly edit over at the English Wikipedia, and am unsure what Commons exact policies on revdel are, but the original version of File:Dan63.jpg had a copyright watermark on it. The original uploader has since uploaded a new version, but the original upload is still visible. Thought I would alert you since you are an oversighter here and would likely know what to do :). TonyBallioni (talk) 01:08, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: The newer version was also a copyvio, from a different place. Someone else had flagged the whole page for speedy deletion (I would assume, since you left me this message) and I just deleted it. Thanks. Normally, we would just delete the actual 'file' from the original upload. - Reventtalk 21:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

video files as duplicates, smaller downloads can be reasonable

I think that if we have a smaller-scale version of a video that is okay. Videos don't follow the traditional thumbnail process, so giving an option of a smaller download can be pertinent for a keep. If you wish to progress, please take through a DR.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Videos are, actually, transcoded to lower resolutions... the smaller one is at 160P, and the larger one is available at that resolution (see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/c/c3/2011-11-20_Sue_Gardner_Original_360p.ogv/2011-11-20_Sue_Gardner_Original_360p.ogv.160p.ogv). They are listed in the transcode table at the bottom of the page. I'm not particularly concerned about it if you want to keep it, but I don't really see the point. - Reventtalk 10:40, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Eek!

Have been trying to do categories, etc, on my uploads which have been moved here from en:WP and came across this:

A small poster image was uploaded over the lobby card. I reverted it since you can see the card has no copyright marks. I can get a large copy of the poster and leave that here because it has no copyright marks. Would you delete the small poster to (hopefully) avoid confusion? Will also throw in a larger copy of the card. ;) Thanks! We hope (talk) 14:54, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@We hope: I did a history split. The other image is at File:Red-Dust-1932-film-poster (2).jpg. - Reventtalk 20:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
OK, when I reach the end of posters that are sourced to the now defunct MoviePosterdb.com, I'll add the larger copies to them both. (If my arm doesn't fall off first, and that will make me unable to do the lobby cards sourced to the site too. :-D) We hope (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #247

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Doing a trial run of allowing search engines to index a number of ArticlePlaceholder pages on Welsh Wikipedia. If there are no major issues we will enable this for all placeholders.
    • Improving Federation-related after initial tests,
    • Getting ready to deploy automated sitelinks for Wiktionary
    • Further work on the new datatype for geoshapes (phabricator:T57549)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.


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