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Map of Sydney regions

Hi Mapper2000, love the map File:Map of Greater Sydney Regions and Suburbs with Heading & Description.jpg! Do you have any sources for these areas? I've been puzzling over Sydney regions for a while and I'd love to know how you came up with this - it looks great though! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh crap, I'm so sorry I edited your user page! That is totally by accident. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 10:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Chris

Thank you for your kind words and for appreciating my work, I'm more than happy to explain my work but it's not necessarily compromised from one source.

I'm a Sydneysider born and bred and upon doing some research of Greater Sydney it occurred to me how little consistency and how convoluted all the online sources are when defining what areas are part of Greater Sydney, their titles and what areas fit into which category. I decided to dig deeper and take a look at existing maps of Sydney on Wikimedia Commons and Google images, The Australian Bureau of Statistics and their definitions and different levels of divisions, Sydney council local government areas both current and former ones which have been amalgamated, The land parishes of Cumberland County spread across Greater Sydney, the federal divisions across Greater Sydney, Sydney's postcode sequences, physical boundaries such as rivers, creeks, freeways, parks/reserves and of course making sense of all of the regions and their names by looking at their compass direction from The Sydney CBD.

I basically wanted to create an inclusive, specific and accurate map of Sydney that acknowledges the different parts of Sydney and groups everything according to 'areas' in their greater sense rather than what previous maps of Sydney have done which is creating larger oversized 'regions' encompassing neighbouring areas that don't have much to do with each other. To do this more accurately I looked at a terrain overview of Sydney on Google Maps and checked which neighbourhoods are actually connected with similar roads to determine if they belong within the same region or are separated. I also asked locals from all around Sydney and got feedback from Sydneysiders about how they view their own areas, their terminology and how they view their neighbouring areas to better understand this concept and not group completely separate neighbourhoods/areas together just because they're next to each other or because previous maps had grouped them together. I for the most part have stuck to traditional boundaries and terminology of the different regions of Sydney and felt it was also beneficial for simplification to further explain which 'areas' are part of which overview of Sydney e.g. central, eastern, southern, western and northern.

The largest areas which are grouped together and weren't easy to define are the 'western suburbs' and 'south-western suburbs' they could both easily be broken into two parts however I wouldn't know what to call them if they were nor would it be clear where to put a divide in the middle of each of them. I'm sure not every Sydneysider would necessarily agree with the regions and perhaps certain terminology but I have tried to keep things both simple and inclusive. If anyone were to ask me why certain suburbs are grouped into each category or the terminology I've used I will happily provide explanation, sourcing and the alternative boundary and terminology that I chose not to go with for a specific reason.

For a detailed description of the regions see below;

Central Sydney

Inner City

Sydney CBD, The Rocks, Dawes Point,

Millers Point, Barangaroo, Haymarket

Postcode: 2000

LGA: City of Sydney (North End)

Inner City-West

Suburbs: Pyrmont, Ultimo, Chippendale, Darlington.

Postcodes: 2007, 2008 and 2009

LGA: City of Sydney (North-West Side)

Inner City-East

Suburbs: Surry Hills, Darlinghurst, Woolloomooloo,

Potts Point, Elizabeth Bay, Rushcutters Bay.

Postcodes: 2010 and 2011

LGA: City of Sydney (North-East Side)

Eastern Sydney

Eastern Suburbs

Suburb examples: Bondi, Paddington, Double Bay, Vaucluse

Postcodes: 2021 to 2030

LGA: Waverley Council, Woollahra Municipal Council, The Centennial Parklands, City of Sydney (Far East Side)

Western Boundary: Eastern Distributor, South Dowling Street, Boundary Street, Neild Avenue and Rushcutters Creek

South-Eastern Suburbs

Suburb examples: Randwick, Coogee, Maroubra, Botany

Postcodes: 2031 to 2036, 2052, 2018 and 2019

LGA: Randwick City Council, Bayside Council (East Side)

Western Boundary: Eastern Distributor, Southern Cross Drive and Mill Stream.

Southern Boundary: Botany Bay

Southern Sydney

Inner South

Suburb examples: Redfern, Zetland, Alexandria, Mascot

Postcodes: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2020

LGA: City of Sydney (South End), Bayside Council (North End)

Northern Boundary: Central Station and Cleveland Street.

Eastern Boundary: Eastern Distributor, Southern Cross Drive and Mill Stream.

Western Boundary: Alexandra Canal and T3 Train Line.

Southern Boundary: Botany Bay.

Southern Suburbs (St George)

Suburb examples: Rockdale, Hurstville, Peakhurst, Sans Souci

LGA: Georges River Council, Bayside Council (West Side)

Northern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.

Eastern Boundary: Botany Bay.

Western Boundary: Salt Pan Creek.

Southern Boundary: Georges River.

Sutherland Shire

Suburb examples: Sutherland, Miranda, Caringbah, Cronulla

LGA: Sutherland Shire Council

Northern Boundary: Georges River and Botany Bay

Western Boundary: Mill Creek

Southern Boundary: Port Hacking

Northern Sydney

Northern Suburbs

Suburb examples: Galdesville, Ryde, Epping, Beecroft

LGA: Hunters Hill Council, City of Ryde, City of Parramatta (North-East End), Hornsby Shire Council (South End)

Northern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.

Eastern Boundary: Lane Cove River.

Western Boundary: Pennant Hills Road, Marsden Road and Wharf Road.

Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.

Lower North Shore

Suburb examples: North Sydney, Mosman, Artarmon, Chatswood

LGA: Mosman Council, North Sydney Council, Lane Cove Council, Willoughby City Council

Northern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.

Western Boundary: Lane Cove River.

Upper North Shore

Suburb examples: Lindfield, St Ives, Pymble, Turramurra

LGA: Ku-Ring-Gai Council

Eastern Boundary: Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.

Western Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway.

Southern Boundary: Boundary Street and Blue Gum Creek.

Outer North

Suburb examples: Pennant Hills, Normanhurst, Hornsby, Berowra

LGA: Hornsby Shire Council (East Side)

Eastern Boundary: Lane Cove River, Coups Creek and The Pacific Highway.

Western Boundary: Berowra Creek.

Southern Boundary: Byles Creek and Devlins Creek.

Forest District

Suburb examples: Frenchs Forest, Forestville, Duffys Forest

LGA: Northern Beaches Council (West Side)

Northern Boundary: Smiths Creek.

Eastern Boundary: Mona Vale Road, Forest Way, Morgan Road, Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.

Western Boundary: Cowan Creek, Middle Harbour Creek and Garigal National Park.

Lower Northern Beaches

Suburb examples: Manly, Balgowlah, Dee Why, Narrabeen

LGA: Northern Beaches Council (South-East End)

Northern Boundary: South Creek and Narrabeen Lagoon.

Western Boundary: Oxford Falls Road and Frenchs Forest.

Upper Northern Beaches

Suburb examples: Mona Vale, Avalon Beach, Palm Beach

LGA: Northern Beaches Council (North-East End)

Northern Boundary: Pittwater and Broken Bay.

Western Boundary: Mccarrs Creek and Wirreanda Creek.

Southern Boundary: South Creek and Narrabeen Lagoon.

Western Sydney

Inner West

Suburb examples: Marrickville, Leichhardt, Burwood, Concord

LGA: Inner West Council, Burwood Council, City of Canada Bay, Strathfield Council (North End), City of Sydney (Far West Side), Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-East End)

Northern Boundary: Parramatta River.

Eastern Boundary: Alexandra Canal, Erskineville, Camperdown and Glebe.

Western Boundary: Centenary Drive and Homebush Bay Drive.

Southern Boundary: Cooks River.

Inner South-West

Suburb examples: Earlwood, Campsie, Roselands, Punchbowl

LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (East Side), Strathfield Council (South End)

Northern Boundary: Cooks River.

Western Boundary: Fairford Road, Stacey Street, Hume Highway and Salt Pan Creek.

Southern Boundary: Wolli Creek and M5.

Western Suburbs

Suburb examples: Auburn, Fairfield, Westmead, Blacktown,

LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (North-West End), Fairfield City Council (North End), Cumberland City Council, City of Parramatta (South End), Blacktown City Council (South-East End)

Northern Boundary: Parramatta River, Old Windsor Road and M7.

Eastern Boundary: Centenary Drive and Homebush Bay Drive.

Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.

Southern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.

South-Western Suburbs

Suburb examples: Bankstown, Cabramatta, Liverpool, Prestons

LGA: Canterbury-Bankstown Council (South-West End), Liverpool City Council (North-East Side), Fairfield City Council (South End)

Northern Boundary: Chullora, T3 Train Line, Orphan School Creek and Clear Paddock Creek.

Eastern Boundary: Fairford Road, Stacey Street, Hume Highway and Salt Pan Creek.

Western Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.

Southern Boundary: Holsworthy and Macarthur.

North-Western Suburbs

Suburb examples: North Parramatta, North Rocks, Northmead

LGA: City of Parramatta (North-West Side)

Northern Boundary: Hills Motorway.

Eastern Boundary: Pennant Hills Road, Marsden Road and Wharf Road.

Western Boundary: Old Windsor Road.

Southern Boundary: Parramatta River.

Outer West

Suburb examples: Mount Druitt, St Marys, Kingswood, Penrith

LGA: Blacktown City Council (South-West End), Penrith City Council (South End)

Eastern Boundary: Western Sydney Parklands.

Western Boundary: Nepean River.

Outer South-West (Macarthur)

Suburb examples: Campbelltown, Gregory Hills, Narellan

LGA: Camden Council, Campbelltown City Council

Eastern Boundary: Georges River.

Southern Boundary: Nepean River.

Outer North-West

Suburb examples: Cherrybrook, Castle Hill, Baulkham Hills, Rouse Hill

LGA: Hornsby Shire Council (West Side), The Hills Shire (South End), Blacktown City Council (North End)

Eastern Boundary: Berowra Creek and Pennant Hills Road.

Southern Boundary: Hills Motorway and M7. Mapper2000 (talk) 03:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is as good as any I've seen. The biggest issue with regions is that there is no official definitions for the regions of Sydney! Your is quite well thought through. However, where is Wollondilly Shire? That's literally next to the City of Liverpool and City of Penrith - the suburb of Wallacia cuts through all three LGAs :-)

One more thing - the LGAs are mostly not known as "Council of". For instance, it's not Liverpool City Council that encompasses an area but it is the City of Liverpool. The administrative body is the council, the area is the City. There are a few exceptions to this like Cumberland City Council‎ and Camden Council, but this is a gotcha for many (including myself!). - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the compliment, I am truly grateful you appreciate my work.

I wasn't aware of the difference between 'city of' and 'city council' I thought it was just pedantic semantics of councils changing their official titles. I remember years ago everything said 'Municipality of Woollahra' and 'City of Randwick' whereas now everything says 'Randwick City Council' and 'Woollahra Municipal Council'. But what you said makes sense. I guess 'City of Sydney' is also the exception as they never say 'Sydney City Council' for their administration. Appreciate the correction.

When focusing on the Sydney map I chose to focus on the more heavily urban, residential areas and I omitted the less urban, semi-rural areas which although may be connected to Sydney via highways and train lines are not necessarily always included as part of Sydney Metro nor do their neighbourhoods connect with Sydney's residential streets. These areas I omitted include Wollondilly Shire which incorporates portions of Blue Mountains and southern parts of Macarthur, Blue Mountains overall and anything past the Nepean River in both Penrith Council and Camden Council (including the suburb of Camden), northern parts of Penrith Council and The Hills, the southern regions of The Sutherland Shire, Holsworthy beyond the residential suburb, far western portions of Liverpool council and surrounds such as Leppington, Austral, Mount Venom etc, The Hawkesbury and The Central Coast. I wanted to keep the map simple with the regions of 'Outer North', 'Outer West', 'Outer South-West' and 'Outer North-West' to be as far as what is what is almost always considered part of Greater Sydney with areas like The Blue Mountains, The Hawkesbury, Wollondilly Shire, Holsworthy as a whole and areas of Penrith and Macarthur past the Nepean River generally all being very grey areas which aren't always included as part of Greater Sydney. I do apologise if I offend people from those areas who identify with living within Sydney as the map would have kept going quite far if I tried to be so inclusive and smaller areas on the map like 'Central Sydney' would have become much less visible. Defining the greater limits of a city's metropolitan area is never easy, nor is defining the regions within but I did my best with the information and knowledge I had. Mapper2000 (talk) 07:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I’ve accidentally split this conversation over two pages. I really like your maps, apart from the LGA names (a very minor matter, TBH), I think you are pretty much spot on.

I’ve been going over the South West of Sydney taking extensive photos of the City of Liverpool. I you ever want to join me, let me know! :-)

Edit: there is no offence - in fact I think you are spot on. I live in Middleton Grange and have been extensively documenting the City of Liverpool. In fact, the outer edge Sydney Metro I would argue is probably Hoxton Park, but Austral and Leppington are an interesting case. Austral and Leppington are still incredibly rural (lots of market gardens supplying fresh vegetables) but is rapidly being developed for housing. Once you go past Leppington and Austral then it becomes basically rural, and is the very outskirts of Sydney. So I largely agree with your assessment. In fact, you can literally see it in on satellite maps! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Orderinchaos: hey Andrew, check out this amazing region division! It’s possibly the most thorough and well reasoned view of Sydney I’ve seen so far. Mapper2000 has done an incredible job here and i know you’ve been fascinated by this sort of thing for ages now even though your focus is in Perth! Check it out, I think this is the most comprehensive regional categorisation I’ve seen so far. Really well thought through and with sn excellent basis of research. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 09:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was almost going to list LGAs in the region description box of the map but I chose not to because I figured in time to come the map would become obsolete as more councils get amalgamated so I chose to just give a few suburb examples of each region in order to keep the map relevant for longer. Now with your correction of LGA names I'm very grateful I didn't list them on the map. Once again Thank you. Mapper2000 (talk) 09:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the amalgamations were more something the LNP were pushing, and the new ALP government is unlikely to change the boundaries. But yes, I think it was wise to keep the LGAs out of the map - suburbs do sometimes change boundaries but it is far less frequent.

If you get a chance, check out my wikishootme efforts in getting photos - I’ve covered a large amount of the City of Liverpool. If you are ever out my way send me a message and I’ll show you around :-) - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 09:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Chris. That's very kind. Mapper2000 (talk) 09:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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