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Trycatch (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Фотография фотографии является производной работой, загружать такие снимки нельзя. Другая проблема загрузки -- права личности на свое изображение, т.к. на фото изображен явно идентифицируемый человек не в общественном месте, см. COM:PEOPLE. Для таких загрузок нужно явное разрешение объекта фотографии (и это вполне разумно, учитывая то, что молодой человек был в итоге найден мертвым). Trycatch (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Авторское право на что? Изображение весьма тривиально само по себе. Человек действительно погиб (узнал уже после того как загрузил), соответственно, о нарушении приватности речь не идет. Считаю, что никаких нарушений, соответственно, нет. Leksey (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Такая фотография никак не является тривиальной (если признавать такие фото тривиальными, то так можно и 90% фотографий признать тривиальными). Что касается COM:PEOPLE, то оно распространяется не только на нынеживущих, но и на умерших людей. Это вполне логично, т.к. законы, касающийся изображения людей, обычно именно таковы, например, 152.1 ГК РФ: "После смерти гражданина его изображение может использоваться только с согласия детей и пережившего супруга, а при их отсутствии - с согласия родителей." Trycatch (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Какая часть фотографии является нетривиальной? Фотография человеческого лица? Давайте blur или pixelate сделаем. Решит это проблему? Относительно цитаты из закона, то я не совсем понял её смысла. Т.е. грубо говоря, любая фотография человека, после его смерти может быть удалена с Викисклада? Почему тогда вот такая фотография имеется? File:Lenin-1895-mugshot.jpg - разрешения от семьи нет, человек умер. Leksey (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- Да, нетривиальной тут является фотография лица. Если ее замазать, то проблемы с _копирайтом_ это решит (хотя останется ли смысл после этого в вашей фотографии?). "любая фотография человека, после его смерти может быть удалена с Викисклада" -- Не любая, COM:PEOPLE более либерален, чем российское законодательство -- исключением является фотографии людей в общественных местах в широком смысле. Здравый смысл также подсказывает, что волноваться о личной жизни людей, умерших давно, тоже нет особого смысла, хотя, насколько я вижу, в руководстве это напрямую не отражено (хотя и отражено в аналогичных википедийных w:WP:BLP или w:ru:ВП:БИО). Разумеется, в этом вопросе есть и другие исключения/двойные стандарты, но вряд ли они подходят к данному случаю, который, на мой взгляд, полностью подпадает под "Those that unreasonably intrude into the subject's private or family life" (COM:PEOPLE#Moral issues). Trycatch (talk) 03:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- Нет. Я по-прежнему не согласен. И не усматриваю тут процитированного вмешательства. Налицо какой-то перезаклад бессмысленный. Я уважаю прайвеси и вряд ли стал бы нарушать его. Рассуждая дальше: люди потеряли близкого родственника, значительнее этого потери они не понесут. Факт гибели человека озвучен без моего участия. В каком месте прайвеси нарушена? Укажите точно. Какую приватную информацию я разгласил? Та же самая фотография висит на сайте ВУЗа и написано что выпускник погиб. Публикацией мы никак не задеваем чувства родственников и близких. Разве что случайно увидят и это им напомнит о произошедшем. Есть ли смысл в изображении с заштрихованным фото? По-видимому, есть. Как иллюстрация объявления о пропаже человека, как минимум. Не ради спора все это, а в попытке разобраться. Вы упоминаете правила википедии и законодательство. Но я так и не понял, в пользу какого документа вы делаете выбор. Судя по последнему, изображения Ленина надо тоже удалять. Leksey (talk) 07:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- Например, телефон, особые приметы, ФИО и т.д. Да, часть этой информации была озвучена на других сайтах, но там она сообщается в строго определенных контекстах -- сообщением о его гибели, сообщением о его пропаже и просьбой о помощи. В Википедии и проч. фотография может использоваться в любом другом контексте, в том числе и в таких, которые вряд ли обрадуют родственников погибшего (например, "как иллюстрация объявления о пропаже человека"). Что касается Ленина -- вряд ли с ним есть какие-то проблемы, живых ближайших родственников у него не осталось, но, например, родственники Довлатова недавно добились публикации книги ЖЗЛ о Довлатове без фотографий вовсе. Пользуясь как раз статьей 152.1 о праве гражданина на свое изображение. Trycatch (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- ИМХО, у одной из сторон этой дискусии превратное понимание приватности. Нарушение приватности это разглашение неких личных данных. Про то что родственникам может не понравится размещение фото в неком контексте я согласен. Но такое можно предположить в отношении родственников любых людей, чья фотография оказалась на Викискладе и затем была использована в Википедии. Т.е. если я замажу лицо, изменю номера телефонов и приметы с ФИО, то у вас не будет претензий к этому изображению? Leksey (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- В законодательствах многих стран такие данные вполне себе считаются личными. Просто как пример, определение "персональных данных" из 152-ФЗ:
персональные данные - любая информация, относящаяся к определенному или определяемому на основании такой информации физическому лицу (субъекту персональных данных), в том числе его фамилия, имя, отчество, год, месяц, дата и место рождения, адрес, семейное, социальное, имущественное положение, образование, профессия, доходы, другая информация;
- "Т.е. если я замажу лицо, изменю номера телефонов и приметы с ФИО, то у вас не будет претензий к этому изображению?" -- ни малейших. Но фактически это будет полностью нарисованная в фотошопе/гимпе картинка. Будет ли в этой фотографии смысл в таком виде? Trycatch (talk) 12:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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Jcb (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
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Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at Wikimedia Commons.
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