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He3nry
[edit]Hey He3nry, die Mär von der falschen Version ist auch nur ein Feigenblatt für die, die ihren Administratorenfunktion missbrauchen (wollen). Die, die vernüntig entscheiden, sind ebenso in der Lage, ihre Entscheidungen vernünftig zu begründen. Nur die, die eben unzulässig aggieren, indem sie beipielsweise Einfluss nehmen (wollen), brauchen den Scheiß. Von daher ist es natürlich auch Unsinn, Administratoren für scrosanct und unfehlbar erklären zu wollen. Dass die angeblich natürlich korrekt arbeiten und entscheiden und keinen Missbrauch begehen. Unter Admins finden sich genauso viele Bastarde, wie überall. Nur dass sich die unter den Administratoren nicht rechtfertigen brauchen. Und so eben die Wikipedia immer mehr zerstören. Seit wie vielen Jahren bist Du schon an den Hebeln in der deutschen Wikipedia? Haster2 (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Nur damit da keine Unklarheiten aufkommen: Wie Commons Deine "Mitarbeit" auf den Diskussionsseiten hier bewertet, ist mir weitestgehend egal. Auf de-WP sind solche Commons-Aktionen eine Verletzung von BNS in de-WP. IMHO wird dieser Zirkus ganz sicher in eine nächste Bewertung einfließen, wenn Du nach Auslaufen der Sperre auf de-WP nicht zur normalen Mitarbeit zurückfindest. Und, um auch das schriftlich bei Dir zu hinterlassen: Jeder Edit auf einer meiner Diskseiten außerhalb der de-WP durch Dich ist unerwünscht. Ebenso ist jedes weitere Anpingen durch Verlinkung meines Benutzernamens unerwünscht. Stell es ein. He3nry (talk) 07:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- He3nry, so hälst Du dich doch im Gespräch!? Du diktierst hier die Regeln ganz gewiss nicht. Nicht mir, nicht anderen. Du verhältst dich ziemlich großspurig, wenn Du glaubst, mir hier Vorschriften machen zu wollen und das mit deinem bisschen persönlicher Macht in der deutschen Wikipedia untermauern zu wollen. Du solltest doch mitbekommen haben, dass solch albernes Drohen leer läuft. Alleine, dass ihr drei, Du, Johannes89 und Itti nicht ohne Drohungen auskommt, sagt viel. Nicht über mich. Haster2 (talk) 08:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Hey Johannes89, nicht Unterstellung. Feststellung! Dass die Unterstellung einer Beleidigung eine Straftat ist, ist keine Unterstellung, wenn jemand jemanden Beleidigungen unterstellt hat. Du solltest da sprachlich schon genau sein. Da kannst Du dich in deinem Corpsgeist noch so sehr argumentativ versuchen zu winden. Die Unterstellung einer Beleidigung durch Itti ist eine Straftat. Weil Beleidigung eine Straftat ist. Du Relativierer wirst nicht Unterstellungen von Beleidigung, Vergewaltigung, Totschlag und andere Straftaten zu Kinkerlitz erklären, nur weil Du krampfhaft deine Adminkollegin Itti zu schützen versuchst. Was kommt als nächstes? "Das war kein sexueller Übergriff, das war Spaß?" "Das war kein Mobbing, das war doch nur Nachdrücklichkeit"? Du solltest dich mit deinem Rechtsverständis gehörig was schämen! Als ob Du die Deutungshoheit über die deutsche Sprache hättest und cih über deutsches Recht stellen dürftest. Haster2 (talk) 16:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Ich antworte mal hier: die Commons-Adminanfragen sind kein Diskussionsforum, wenn es um einen Konflikt geht, der sich ausschliesslich auf dewiki unter dewiki-Usern abspielt. Die meisten Mitlesenden können kein Deutsch. Selbst wenn: sie kennen nicht Anlass und Eskalation. Mein Vorschlag wäre, die ganze Geschichte nochmal von vorne zu bearbeiten, gemeinsam, in unserem eigenen Projekt. —MBq (talk) 18:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Der Konflikt mit Johannes89 spielt sich doch gerade ausschließlich hier ab. Hier nur mit dem geänderten Vorzeichen, dass er keine Macht hat, die er missbräuchlich einsetzen kann, seine unsinnige Sicht durchzudrücken und sich so zu erheben. Ich finde das sogar in soweit gut, als dass es ziemlich deutlich belegt, wie verkehrt doch Admins wie er in der deutschen Wikipedia agieren. Und Anlass: Die Sache mit der angeblichen Beleidigung wurde hier hinreichend erklärt. Ich antworte in den Commons immer auf Deutsch und hatte noch nie Probleme mit meinem Gegenüber. Die Leute sitzen ja am Rechner und die Aussagen werden unmittelbar translatiert. Und obwohl die Angelegenheit breit erklärt wurde, ich weiß gar nicht, wie oft sich und seine Sicht Johannes89 wiederholte, trifft er mit dem Unsinn auf keinen Nährboden. Es ist hier für keinen ein Grund für irgendwas und hier fühlt sich niemand wie Johannes89 aus falschem Corpsgeist genötigt, eine Adminkollegin zu verteidigen (und dabei völlig zu verrennen). Er sieht es ja noch immer nicht ein, obwohl hier niemand, aber auch wirklich niemand seine Sicht teilt.
- Was deinen Vorschlag betrifft, sehe ich dafür keine Grundlage mehr. Deine Adminkollegen He3nry, Itti und Johannes89 haben die letzten Tage jeden Boden für eine Kommunikation auf Augenhöhe verlassen und alles Glas zerschlagen. He3nry indem er seine Funktion missbrauchte, um die Disskussion um den Artikel in seinem Sinne zu beeinflussen; Itti die mein Wehren, meine Kritik an He3nry damit mundtot zu machen versuchte, dass sie mir klipp und klar Beledigungen gegen He3nry unterstellte; Johannes89 der mein mich wegen meines gegen diesen haltlosen Vorwurf Erwehren sperrte und sperrte und wieder sperrte. Letztlich sogar dafür, dass er in der Commonsdiskussion seinen Willen nicht bekam. Mit ihnen ist in der Wikipedia keine vernünftige Zusammenarbeit mehr möglich. Die sind als Administratoren schlicht nicht tragbar. Haster2 (talk) 19:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Mm, Du hast aber auch ganz schön geholzt… alle sind auf 80. Wär ich sicher auch. Andererseits weiss ich seit dem berühmten Donauturmkonflikt, dass man sich auch nach den übelsten Streit wieder zusammenraufen kann. - Also für den Anfang würde ich folgende deeskalative Schritte vorschlagen: ich entsperr deine Dewiki-Diskseite. Du schreibst dort deine Meinung zu dem Adminhandeln beim Dschiddaturm, so scharf wie du willst, aber ohne uns wieder „Bastarde“ zu nennen. Letztlich haben die KollegInnen ja gemacht, was auf der Artikeldiskussion die weit überwiegende Mehrheitsmeinung war… und dass Admins versuchen, die Wünsche der Community umzusetzen, ist ja nicht unbedingt dumm oder böse. Die Sache mit den strafbaren Beleidigungen vielleicht komplett fallenlassen, beidseitig natürlich. Wenn das einigermassen konstruktiv läuft, werden die anderen es auch so beantworten können, und deine (tatsächlich nutzlose) Benutzersperre kann aufgehoben werden. - Drüben auf den Commons-Adminfragen lassen wir ohne Massnahme schliessen, und zumindest die Commons-Admins sind froh. —MBq (talk) 19:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wie gesagt habe ich daran kein Interesse mehr. "Mit ihnen ist in der Wikipedia keine vernünftige Zusammenarbeit mehr möglich. Die sind als Administratoren schlicht nicht tragbar." Haster2 (talk) 02:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Geht nicht, verstanden. Dann nerve ich hier auch nicht weiter. Vielleicht gelangen wir später zu einer Art „mürrischen Indifferenz“ (de:Herfried Münkler 2016) als neue Grundlage. Nebeneinander statt miteinander. Mach aber bis dahin nichts kaputt von deinen Fotos und Artikeln. Die sind nicht für die Admins, sondern für die ganze Welt gedacht gewesen. Gruss, —MBq (talk) 04:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wie gesagt habe ich daran kein Interesse mehr. "Mit ihnen ist in der Wikipedia keine vernünftige Zusammenarbeit mehr möglich. Die sind als Administratoren schlicht nicht tragbar." Haster2 (talk) 02:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hallo Gregor, Sperre wegen Umgehung auf 3 Monate verlängert und eine weitere Umgehung wird zum Indef führen; bei aller Anerkennung meinerseits für deine fotografische Arbeit. MfG --A.Savin 00:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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