User talk:Guy WF Loftus

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Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Guy WF Loftus!

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@Timtrent: My apologies for causing you such distress - from what you have indicated, I will attempt to delete it immediately. I had an email from the chairman of Trustees for the Orwell Society, who own the Statue, requesting that I use this image, which he supplied along with copyright provenance (you are correct - I am not the author). I clearly have no legal understanding of copyright transfer (an email granting authority is not legally binding?) - I don't know how to delete the photograph but I will research it and do so.Guy WF Loftus (talk) 17:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Be undismayed. Simply use COM:OTRS to lodge that email, or ask the chairman of trustees to perform that task. Timtrent (talk) 14:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Timtrent: - I am writing to them now - is there a smart way to cite this discussion (hyperlink)?Guy WF Loftus (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Quote https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Guy_WF_Loftus but the only thing that will hold sway od the actual permission. Timtrent (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Understood - thanks for your help2A02:C7F:F86F:6300:D4A5:EBB0:F5F8:D03F 18:08, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Timtrent (talk) 00:33, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It's a difficult and pedantic area, but we can simplify it. The simplistic view I am about to present is not an exhaustive treatise. Commons:Licensing is exhaustive,

  • Only ever upload files where you are 100% certain you have the right to upload them
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I hope this very brief summary is of use to you and will help you to navigate the rules better here. I do not want you to open yourself up to the loss of editing privileges by simply not quite understanding things.

When editors suggest files need permissions, etc, they aren't always correct. As humans we make errors. I can nominate items for things, but have no powers of deletion. I am not now and will never be an administrator. If I make an error I trust an administrator to correct me. If they make an error they trust others to correct them. Thus we have checks and balances, and we all learn. Timtrent (talk) 12:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent: Just picked this up - very useful - thanksGuy WF Loftus (talk) 17:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Orwell statue photograph is going through the process guided by Timtrent with thanks. Photo-portraits of Silvia Tro Santafe and Dione Venables have email trails, which are referred to in the metadata. In future, these types of permissions should be verified proactively, as the metadata is not evidence in itself, which means sending the email directly to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org - that is a lot of work for a small group of volunteers, so - are you saying this is a requirement?Guy WF Loftus (talk) 08:23, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Where there is any doubt it is wise to use COM:OTRS.
Not using it where there is doubt is a gamble, and means the work will need to be done anyway should the item be submitted to a deletion process.
Metadata (As in EXIF data) is not wholly useful, as you say. If, however, it identifies the uploader as the photographer, then the metadata is useful. Some cameras allow this setting to be filled in, others do not. Timtrent (talk) 09:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note, too, that the OTRS process does not always result in validation of the permission. If it fails that should then become a dialogue with the volunteer response team, seeking information on any the process has declined to verify permissions and asking what additional specifics are required.
Remember above all things that Commons protects the owner of the copyright assiduously and thus protects itself from claims of breach of copyright Timtrent (talk) 09:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Got it - vectorising is a lot more efficient (I tended to oversize resolution in an old "dpi" world to ensure scalability but that makes for much bigger raster files than needed); will examine my options in future and retrofit legacy images if I can. Guy WF Loftus (talk) 16:39, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem - I note your caution about fake SVGs because I tend to take screen dumps of images to make them a bit smaller, which is a fast way of rasterising - but not truly scalable. The resulting bitmap is just that, with no vector elements - so if I were to export a screen dump as SVG format, it is just a raster and not really a vector document (no beziers, no vector compressions). I guess this is what you would want to avoid... Guy WF Loftus (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My question is how do you vectorise amorphous pixels (raster images) when they have no vector components? Aren't all bitmaps saved as SVG "false", unless the edges, tone changes and internal structures are auto traced and colour assigned, which is not possible in most cases. Guy WF Loftus (talk) 05:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Eugene - I have had difficulty getting the appropriate officer to sign off on the image (release into the public domain) - I'll tell them they have 7 days now. Thanks for the prompt. Guy WF Loftus (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The author is sending a release email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org - hopefully this will turnaround in 2 working days. Guy WF Loftus (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you be more specific about where you found this? It's certainly not your 'own work', as you were not around in 1916 to press the button on the camera. Thank you. DS (talk) 18:13, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention - This photograph has been incorrectly attributed - it belongs to me now (it didn't when I created this image from the original). What is the best way for me to correct this? Guy WF Loftus (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Personal collection", then? Okay. Photo was taken in 1916 (per original filename, or 1914 per metadata), by... "court photographer"? What else do you know about its provenance? As many details as possible, please. DS (talk) 14:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks User talk:DragonflySixtyseven - have updated the entry and reconciled the metadata - the court photographs were made in 1914 but this one was taken two years later apparently by the same photographer - I hope the attribution is correct - what is best practice for personal collections?Guy WF Loftus (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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Johnj1995 (talk) 04:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Johnj1995: for pointing this out - forgive me for asking a question (I should know by now) but my method is haphazard and inefficient. 1) I locate a photograph, 2) I research the copyright owner, 3) I seek their approval to release copyright by email, 4) I upload onto Wiki Commons, 5) then I send a template to the owner to email permissions to release copyright. That has worked for me but I guess it should be 1, 2, 3, 5, 4 - what is the recommended route?Guy WF Loftus (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Ixfd64 (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good call - my mistake - I was informed that his wife had taken the photograph; good that we can find the truth - I am tracing Matt Dale to see if we can establish ownership: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftetrapods.org%2Fnews%2Fstan-wood.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cff97aa0e09ed44577c6408dac28492be%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638036171892354992%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EuhcAzY4fIsL4F2B2vBzRa7cc%2Ffi7a%2BL6FDxUied8NM%3D&reserved=0 - my apologies for jumping the gun on this one (although I am more apologetic to his widow - she should have to go through this - I should be more careful). Guy WF Loftus (talk) 20:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It'd be best if you post this sort of thing on the page for the deletion request itself - the deciding admin might never look at your user talk and see your response. DS (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done Guy WF Loftus (talk) 06:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you could get permission from the copyright holder, and have them forward the correspondence to the Volunteer Response Team, then we could keep the image. I see you've done this for several other files.
And as DragonflySixtyseven (talk · contribs) said, it would be useful if you also share your thoughts on the deletion discussion page. Ixfd64 (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved the discussion to where it belongs - but you mentioned another thread which I would like your opinion on - you said " I see you've done this for several other files", which is true but it is because I don;t know how it should be done. 1) I locate a photograph, 2) I research the copyright owner, 3) I seek their approval to release copyright by email, 4) I upload onto Wiki Commons, 5) then I send a template to the owner to email permissions to release copyright. That has worked for me but I guess it should be 1, 2, 3, 5, 4 - what is the recommended procedure? Guy WF Loftus (talk) 06:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]