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Hallo George E. Koronaios, coming across your userpage, I notice something went wrong with the first image. I would correct it myself, but then again, this is not my userpage. :-) Lotje (talk) 04:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Now I see what you did, didn't go to the end of the page at first. If you wische to create CVIX you'll confuse the Crypto VIX fans Lotje (talk) 15:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Any editing is welcome. The last thing I want is to confuse other users. ;-) Also, the number of images on my page is so large that the editing of my page has become an issue especially when I do it late at night when I am very tired and I can easily make mistakes. So, I have faith in your judgement and your edits. ;-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, once againǃ Lotje, I am ashamed to admit that I do not know how to create a subcategory. However, if I make a mess by creating new categories I will stop creating them altogether and use the existing ones. I also do not think any of my images is a quality one and that is not out of modesty. I would feel more comfortable letting others to decide this. At any rate, feel free to edit anything I post and I will always be happy to follow your suggestions / recommendations. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Goodmorning, Lotjeǃ To be honest, I do not know what to do myself, either. However, whatever you decide I will agree with you. After almost five years here, I have come to the conclusion that whatever decision is made here by anybody who is part of this foundation in any position, it is for the best of the foundation as a whole. Somebody trusted you with this task and I have faith both in them and you.ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 11:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, I adapted the userpage and now it seems the problem with the long waiting looks like solved. I also left out the "thumb" in the first paragraph, to show you the are not obligatory. If you are not happy wih the result, just undo. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 16:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, MJJR came back to me on the matter of the categorization. Don't know if you can have it translated automatically, if not, I'll try to explain in English. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 06:25, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ What do you mean by translating it? Translating it to Greek? Are we talking about my page, the photos I have taken so far, or the photos I will be taken in the future? It is currently in English because most people worldwide understand English but almost none speaks Greek. I also love the English language. At any rate, I will be happy to do whatever you think is best. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I think you mean the categories on my page. I could easily translate them to Greek by hand, but it would be impossible to do the same with all the images on my page because they must be two thousand. I do not know, though, how to do it automatically for the whole page. Feel free to do it yourself, though, if it does not displease you. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, I meant translating the reply/comment I received from MJJR regarding your userpage. He wrote (in Dutch):
Dag Lotje. De gebruikerspagina van de heer Koronaios is inderdaad heel erg uitgebreid: 110 categorieën met telkens een hele reeks foto's. Zeer handig is dit niet. Anderzijds is iedereen natuurlijk vrij om zijn of haar gebruikerspagina naar eigen goeddunken in te richten. De heer Koronaios heeft er blijkbaar voor gekozen om een zeer ruime selectie uit zijn foto's (of zelfs àl zijn foto's?) op die pagina te presenteren. Zelf heb ik eigenlijk een andere aanpak: ik breng ik op mijn gebruikerspagina slechts een heel minieme selectie uit mijn inmiddels meer dan 12.000 foto's, namelijk de (weinige) uitgelichte afbeeldingen (FP's) en wat kwaliteitsbeelden (QI's). Deze laatste heb ik inderdaad in een aantal categorieën gesplitst (niet meer dan een tiental), waarbij ik voor elke categorie maar vier of vijf beelden geef, met in sommige gevallen een doorverwijzing naar een subpagina met wat meer beelden. Misschien kan de heer Koronaios zijn 110 categorieën reduceren tot tien of twintig ruimere categorieën, waarbij hij op zijn gebruikerspagina voor elke categorie slechts één rijtje met een vijftal beelden brengt, en de rest van de beelden telkens naar een subpagina verhuist? Het behouden van de huidige 110 categorieën en daar dan telkens een subpagina aan verbinden lijkt mij dan weer géén goed idee...
Good evening, Lotjeǃ I see what you mean. Apologies for the misunderstanding. I have just translated the text of MJJR. Yes, I agree. I will decrease at first the number of categories to approximately ten. For the rest, I will have to ask for your help because I am not very familiar with these things. These are not all my pictures by the way. Maybe it is the less than one third of them. These are my favourites and those I may need to use in the future. Archaeology is my hobby and very frequently people ask me to date findings, sculptures, etc. When that happens I always rely on the pages you see on my page. I am currently publishing the images I took at Athens War Museum. I am going to start making the necessary changings according to MJJR's suggestions within this month. Thank you once again and I hope you have a wonderful evening. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, you could also create some kind of "gallery" like I did here or here or, like on my English Wikipedia userpage: Some of the lovely images Lotje found and looks at when she needs cheering up!. If course I will be most happy to help you wherever I can. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Thank you, Lotjeǃ I have already started editing my page. It will take some time, though. The whole thing is too time consuming but I enjoy it since I do it for pleasure. Thank you, once again. ː-) Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ The inscription readsː "ΝΕΡΩΝ ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΣ ΘΕΟΥ." If one translates the words without giving any attention to the context, then they will haveː "NERO CLAUDIUS GOD" The inscription is written in capital letters and without any punctuation. Nero is the Roman emperor under the reign of whom the lighthouse was built. Claudius is the previous Roman emperor who adopted Nero and was succeeded by him. There was a custom in the Roman empire that as soon as an emperor died, the Senate deified him. This, however, happened only so long as the emperor had been a virtuous one. For example, Claudius was deified by the Senate after his death, Nero was not. So, in the inscription god is Claudius, not Nero who is still alive. Now, in regards to the accuracy oof the translation, I am not sure if "divine" is the proper term even though the meaning is more or less the same. Any god is divine. The inscription, however, refers to a god as a god and makes no mention to his divinity or his attribites in general. Personally I would have written firstly the inscription as it is in Greek, that isː ΝΕΡΩΝ ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΣ ΘΕΟΣ most probably in quoatation marks. Then, I would write it in English by translating the words of the inscription one by one, that isː NERO CLAUDIUS GOD also in quotation marks, and finally I would give the meaning of the inscription which that would be a bit tricky because English is not my native language and I am not sure if it would be proper to say "Nero, son of Divine Claudius" or "Nero, son of God Claudius" or "Nero son of Claudius the god" etc. I hope I helped. ː-) Have a nice evening, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much George E. Koronaios for this detailed information. I will adapt the description accordingly on the file. This might help other users to correctly interpret the meanings of the inscription. Have a nice day. Lotje (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello George, just wondering if Dionysiou Areopagitou Street is now an entire pedestrianized streeet. cannott find back the Dionisiou Areopagitou Pedestrian Street on Wikidata, unless of course it is still only in Greek under another name and no description has been made in English. Would you be so kind as to a look? Thank you so much for your time. Lotje (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ The whole street has been pedestrianized from Vasilissis Amalias Avenue all the way to Apostolou Pavlou Padestrian Street which has been also pedestrianized. It has been a pedestrian street for at least the last 16 years. My house is two blocks away. I have also photographed the whole pedestrian street from one side to the other. Check this outː File:Dionysiou Areopagitou Pedestrian Street on November 30, 2020.jpg Always a pleasureǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ The Rostra is the Latin equivalent of the Greek Bema just like the Forum is the Latin equivalent of the Greek Agora. Ancient Corinth was destroyed by the Romans the same year with Carthage if I recall correclty. That was in 146 B.C. Both cities were rebuilt by Julius Caesar (again, if I recall correctly) . The "new" Corinth even though it was a Greek city inhabited by Greeks had a special statues in the Roman state (that of a Roman colony?). Consequently, there was a Forum in Corinth, not an Agora and a Rostra, not a Bema. Please do not hesitate to verify these because my memory is weak in general. The text in the image is written both in Greek (left side) and in English (right side). It is a bit blurry but it can be read. For the record, not long ago I took about 50-60 (maybe more) similar images from archaeological sites and published them here. They were all, eventually, deleted for copyright infingement. All of them. So, this image will be deleted too sooner or later. Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ I hope you have a wonderful dayǃ Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much George for the detailed information. In fact, that confirms my thoughts: Category:Bema (Corinth) could be added to the Category:Ancient Roman forums. What do you think? BTW, I came across this file and made the text somehow readable, only with the Ancient Greek spelling, I am pretty sure, I created a mess. Lotje (talk) 13:02, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ ː-) In regards to the new category it is your call and I trust your judgement. Personally I would have written either "Bema (Ancient Corinth) or "Rostra (Ancient Corinth). The location of modern day Corinth is not that of the ancient city. There is some distance between the two. A few kilometres if I recall correctly. That is why I would have added the "ancient" before "Corinth." The "rostra" solution might confuse some people but I do not think it would be wrong either since the city was rebuilt by the Romans when Greece was not anymore an independent entity but part of the Roman world. It is also full of Roman monuments with the exception maybe of the Temple of Apollo which dates to the 6th cent. B.C. when the Romans had limited their ambitions to the conquest of the nearby city-states in the Italian peninsula.
In regards to the image you sent me, that is indeed a mess but not because of you. The person who posted the text in some cases has mixed the Greek with the Latin alphabet making it hard for anybody who is not familiar with the Greek alphabet to read it. In some cases they have included numbers instead of letters in some words. There is also an issue with the translation itself but here I can only offer the assistance of a hobbyist, not a professional. For example, where it syas "forms of battalia in Greece" it should be "battle formations in Greece" or "battle formations in Ancient Greece" or "Greek battle formations." Also, the plural might not be necessary either and the word "formation" instead of "formations" might be more accurate. This is, however, something only a professional could tell with accuracy.
In the word "Eu6oλov" the third letter should be a "β" which is the Greek equivalent of the English letter "b." Here the translator has written the number "6" (six) due to its resemblance with the Greek letter. Also, in the case of "Пxivdiov, Пxtv6ix" the words are incomprehensible. The same with the ancient Greek word "Koλiußodov." There has been a mixture of numbers (6) Greek letters (Π,χ,λ) and Latin (vdiov). Those three are pretty bad. Sadly, the Greek words reminds me of something but I do not remember what. In other words, I cannot recognize those three words even though they remind me of something. In the case of "Пlúpyos", however, the correct form is "Πύργος" meaning tower. In this case again there has been a mixture of Greek and Latin letters.
As you can see, I am a hobbyist and I can hardly assist you with efficiency in your task. ː-) At any rate I am always at your disposal. ː-) Have a wonderful eveing, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
P.Sː I was looking whether I could do anything more when I noticed the word "dcsignedː in the text. Here for some reason somebody added the letter "c" where the letter "e" should be. I noticed several other errors of this type. Notice this one tooː They wrote, "Ο ; δέ τε πυργηδόν σφίας αυτές αρτύναντες" instead of, "οἱ δέ τε πυργηδὸν σφέας αὐτοὺς ἀρτύναντες"which is the correct form. In addition, they translated it as "Wheehling themselves into a tower's form" which most probably it should have been "Wheeling themselves into a tower's formation" or in plain English, "they stood in solid masses." Here the word "tower" has been used to describe the solidness of the soldier's formation. The whole text is full of errors. One should spend hours to fully restore it using the web or even books. I do not know how one should deal with this. If they do not have time, maybe by adding a template informing the reader about the inaccuracies in the translation just like the templates I see in Wikipedia articles when there are doubts about the accurasy of the things mentioned. George E. Koronaios (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning George, thank you very much for taking the time to improve my knowledge on this exciting subject. I started by changing the name of the Category into Category:Bema (Ancient Corinth) as you suggested. Looking for a link on Wikidata, I came across rostra (Q426372) which is linked to Category:Rostra (Rome), so I guess the rostra could be added to Category:Forum Romanum, which, in all fairness, I would have named Category:Fora Romanum because there have been more than one forum. Your suggestions and advice would be more than welcome . So glad you were able to untangle the erroneous use of the alphabets. I had figured out the "β" should have been there instead of the kind of "6", but as I only try to make the text somehow readable, it is not up to me the change the spelling. Though, of course adding [sic] next to the word could be useful to the reader. It is sad to say, but in my opinion the photocopier did not do not a very good job... (The book should be reloaded if you ask me). Going to View Book Page [https://archive.org/details/archaeologiagra02pott/page/n78/mode/1up?view=theater you will notice that). On the other hand, the rermainingg letters "c" are my mistakes. In some cases, the photocopier took the letter "e" for a letter "c". I will go through the file again and correct that. Also, I will add the Category:Spelling mistakes in Greek. Once again, thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ This is an image I uploaded earlier today with a scale model of the castle at Athens War Museumː File:Scale model of the Castle of Pylos at Athens War Museum on November 22, 2022.jpg
I have come to the conclusion that the museum inscription of the image I uploaded is wrong. I have noticed several inconsistencies in the inscriptions of that museum. In my opinion the editor of Wikipedia is right and theur article is correct. It is also based on the same sources the Greek Ministry of Culture was based for their article. Consequently, and if you agree I am going to delete the text under the image I uploaded (which is an exact copy of the museum inscription) and change the title of the file from "Scale model of the Castle of Pylos" to "Scale model of the New Navarino Castle" unless you want to do it yourself. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
P.S. In the article on the website of the Ministry of Culture, the castle is also referred as Castle of Pylos so there is no reason to change the title of the file, I think. The Ministry of Culture would never risk to publish something inaccurate. So maybe it is enough to edit the description of the file. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
P.S. 2ː I just edited the description. I make no mention of dates so that there will not be any inaccuracy. It is your call. I will be changing the date under the image on my personal page giving the date of the Ministry of Culturer and refering to the castle as "The Castle of Pylos (Niokastro)." Niokastro in Greek means "New Castle" and Navarino is the modern name of ancient Pylos. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Finally, the shape of the castle and especially that of the polygon cannot date to the 14th century and the Venetians. It looks a lot like a castle built by the Hospitallers in Malta in the 16th century. This is my assumption, though. At any rate, I think the article is correct and the description of the file I uploaded was wrong. George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ Here, I think there might be an issue here. The Church of Taxiarchs (aka the Archangels Gabriel and Michael) was built over the ruins of the Temple of Zeus Hellanius. What remains of the ancient temple is its retaining wall and its masonry used by the Christians to build the temple. Notice these three images below. In the first image you see the archaeological site consisting of bothe the church build over the ruins of the temple and the retaining wall of the temple itself (File:Remains of the Temple of Hellanius Zeus in Aegina on August 25, 2021.jpg). In the second image you see the retaining wall of the temple and the church (File:The retaining wall of the Temple of Hellanius Zeus in Aegina on August 25, 2021.jpg). In the third image you see the ancient masonry incorporated into the Byzantine temple (File:The Church of Taxiarches on Mount Hellanion on August 25, 2021.jpg). In the image you posted, one sees the reconstructed Byzantine churc of the Taxiarchs, not the Temple of Zeus which is no more. So, the description under the image is incorrect, in my opinion. I am really happy you liked the image. You know, behind almost every image of this sort there is a story which makes me smile. On my way there I came across two French tourists who had lost their way and I helped find it out again. As I was leading them to the road I was singing in French a famous Crusade song called "Le Roi Louisː to encourage them. You see it was too hot and the path was full of rocks. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello Geroge, I adapted the description on Aegina. Also I wanted to make a link to the Taxiarches but was not too sure because there is no English word (as yet) for it . Thank you ever so muche for this amazing story. Going to look now for the song. Curious as always :-) Lotje (talk) 05:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ Taxiarches or taxiarchs is a Greek word with its letters being replaced by Latin ones for the reasons that the Greeks and most probably the English speaking people do not know how to translate it properly. As I wrote you before, Taxiarchs or Taxiarches (because I have come across both words even though I am not sure which is more correct) are the Archangels. Taxiarches, however, is the head of a "taxiarchia", that is a brigade. So, taxiarches is the brigadier. The problem is that this is a military rank which would not be proper to be used in the case of angels. In reality, though that is the meaning. Since the Archangels are at the head of the angels they have a military rank to describe their authoriry. The Archangels in reality are brigadiers but as I said earlier you cannot call an Archangel like that. Archangel means something like Masterangel or the leader of angels. So, Gabriel and Michael are angels at the head of angels. They lead the angels so they are at their head as leaders and masters, they are Arch-angels. Their rank, however, is that is the head of a "bgigade" of angels because obvious angels are that many. Just like demons in hell which are counted in legions even though the demons at their head they are not called Legati but archdemons. Notice the similarity between an arch-demon and an arch-angel. When the Roman emperors became Christians, and the church became to take shape as an institution, the bishops adapted the military and civil offices of the Roman empire to organize the new religion. That is why when the angels are separated n groups bearing the names of the Roman imperial guards in the Late Roman empire (by some also called Byzantine). I hope I did not make you bored. Have a wonderful day, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ Yes, whenever you see the word Taxiarches, it means in reality brigadiers. These are always the two Archangels Michael and Gabriel. Just like the Holy Unmercenaries who are always two, Damian and Cosmas. Instead, however, of calling a church after the Archangel Michael and the Archangel Gabriel or Saint Damian and Saint Cosmas, they call the former Church of the Holy Taxiarches and the latter Church of the Holy Unmercenaries. Cheersǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Greetings, Lotjeǃ Nothing remains today from the ancient Athenian Deme (district) of Koile except from the remains of Koile road which crossed the deme, along with some traces of the residential areas of the district. I am not sure whether I am the only person who have photorgaphed the place in Commons or not. The majority of pictures, however, I was able to find were taken by me. I will try to guide you through the place to the best of my abilities and then it is your call.
The ancient Deme of Koile was one of the most populous of Ancient Athens. It was located between the hills of the Muses (Philopappos Hill) and the Pnyx. Through that deme passed the largest road of the ancient city which connected Athens with Piraeus and its harbours. That is why the whole deme along with the road were included within the fortifications of the city, that is the fortification wall of Athens itself and the Long Walls. In this picture (File:Koile Road on November 27, 2019.jpg) you can see the remains of the ancient road and in the distance the peninsula of Piraeus. You cannot see the sea due to air polution and the time of the day I chose to take this image. The sea, however, is to the left and right of the peninsula.
Notice the individual who is taking their walk. On their right hand are the remains of an ancient cemetery which grow in the place of the deme when it was gradually abandoned starting from the late 4th cent. B.C. to the Roman period. On the opposite side of the road under the pines are the remains of cut-stone shops you see in this image (File:The archaeological site of the Deme of Koile in Athens on April 26, 2021.jpg). They are exactly behind the two ladies. This is another one abit closer (File:Rock cut shops on Koile Road on April 30, 2020.jpg). A little further away but I do not recall anymore on which side are the remains of the "agora" of the deme. You can see its remains in this image (File:Remains of the Agora of the Deme of Koile on April 30, 2020.jpg). This is according to the modern-day explanatory inscriptions spread around the place which sometimes are wrong. This is not a good image, though.
This is my favourite image of all (File:Koile Road on August 7, 2019.jpg). Here you can see once again the remains of Koile Road. Whenever Athens was at war and the enemy invaded Attica everybody hide behind the long walls and the city received its provisions from the sea which was controlled by the navy of Athens. No other road of the city from the Classical period and if I am not mistaken from any other period can be compared with this one in terms of importance and size. In this image you can have an idea of how large this road was. There traces date to the 5th cent. B.C.
As we walk down the road we come across this rocky terrace. This was anothe residential area of the district (File:The south slope of the Deme of Koile on May 11, 2020.jpg). If you zoom in you will be able to see the rock-cut steps of a staircase dating also to the 5th cent. B.C. As soon as you walk up that terrace you will see the lower part of the road within the limits of the archaeological site (File:The archaeological site of the Deme of Koile on June 25, 2021.jpg). This is my second favourite image of the place. Notice the people walking up the remains of the road. They are heading to the Acropolis and the Hill of Pnyx. Without knowing it, they are doing the exact same thing as their ancestors 25 centuries ago. Back then, however, the road would have been full of carriages, merchants and travelers. I walked down that road from the Pnyx to reach the terrace. I took the picture of the terrace from down there.
This is also an image of the terrace (lower left corner of the image) from the Hill of Pnyxː (File:View of the Saronic Gulf from the Hill of Pnyx on August 17, 2021.jpg). It is not a beautiful image but can give you an idea of how close the sea was to this place. The ships on the right a heading to Piraeus which is on the right edge of the image a few milimetres outside the frame. The island on the left is Aegina.
Finally, there is also this image (File:The Koile Fountain on May 26, 2020.jpg) outside the archaeological site within the limits of the modern neighborhood of Petralona. These are the remains of the fountain of the deme. This is where they used to take water from for their daily needs.
There are several other images I have taken which gives you maybe a better view of the place but I think you have taken already an idea. If I were to taken an image of all these and use it in order to impress the viewer I would choose the image I told you earlier that it is my favourite for the sole reason that from the ancient Deme of Koile the only thing that actually survives to this day is the road.
Apologies for this long reply of mine but I wanted to be as much accurate as possible. Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ
Thank you ever so much George, for taking the time to explain this in depth. I added some images to the article now. Maybe someone comes along now and go deeper into the subject. Thanks again. Lotje (talk) 05:48, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Ah, yes you are right, Lotjeǃ I had no idead it was him. It was too cold when I get there and I had focus my attention on the sculptures, not the graves themselves. Only when I got home I read the names on the stones. I had never been there before and I was not very comfortable due to the nature of the place. If all goes well I am going to go there tomorrow too and then again and again until I have photographed all these sculptures. You know, most of them will not be there in a few decades since nobody really cares about their condition. This part of the cemetery is full of abandoned old graves of families that are no more. By the way, I was about to wish you for Christmas on your wall but since we are having this conversation here, I do not want to bother you there too. So, Merry Christmas, Lotje and all the best to you and you rloved onesǃ ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks George, I added the file to the rrecent category and I am pretty convinced there will be some hidden gems in that part of the cemetary. Looking forward to the oploads to follow :-).
No need to apology George. I hope you had a enjoyable day with your parents . Thanks for the information with respect to the Melidoni Street. If neeed be, I can add this useful information to any description now. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 06:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Good afternoon, Lotjeǃ In regards to the name of all secondary streets in my city I cannot tell anything for sure for the reasoon that they might have been name after somebody who is still alive, or somebody who lived a century ago. Sometimes there are several streets with the same name named after different people with the same last name. In the case of Melidone Street I really do not know after whom it was named. Possibly it was after Antipi Melidoni but I cannot tell for sure. Have a good one, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 10:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
HAppy New Year, Lotjeǃ In regards to the initials I would not have noticed them if it were not for you. Still, I have not studied the subject. Happy New Year once againǃ All the best to you and your loved ones. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Lotjeǃ Thank you for your wishes, your support, and your guidance. ː-) ː-) ː-) Let us hope this year will be better for us than the previous one just like the previous one was better than the one before it. Take care, Lotjeǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 14:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, the name of the sculptor is engraved in the pedestal. Trying to figure out who it could have been? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
If it were not for you, Lotje, I would not have noticed itǃ ː-) It says "Georgios Broutos 1882." I have just added it to the description of the file. Thank youǃ ː-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 15:56, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ I am always happy to hear from youǃ ː-) The name of the goddess in Greek is "Εστία" and in capital letters "ΕΣΤΙΑ". In ancient Greek inscriptions you will find her written in capital letters the same as today. The name of the goddess in Latin is Vesta just like with Poseidon that is called Neptune, with Hera that is called Juno, with Hephaestus that is called Vulcan and so on. Until a few decades ago all ancient Greek names when they were translated to English they assumed their form in Latin. So there was no chance to see anywhere "Herakles" or "Iraklis" instead of Hercules. From the laste 90's, however, this changed causing great confusing to everybody. By trying to imitate the sound of the greek names in English or by just replacing the greek letters with Latin ones most people thought that they would bring closer to ancient Greek or to modern Greek all ancient or modern Greek names. That was not the case, though. Consequently, when a Greek goes to a museum and sees "Herakles" instead of "Hercules", gets confused for a few monmets before they finally realise what is going on. In some cases with less known names like Meleager or Deiphobus things get even woprse because the translator uses whatever English letters thinks they sound closer to what the word sounds in Greek. In the case of Vesta, I think "Estia" would be more proper than "Hestiaː because this is how the word is written in "Greeklish". The problem is that in terms of pronounciation, "Hestia" is closer to "Εστία" than "Estia". In regards, however, to the written form of the name, "Estia" is more preferable. Personally, I would call the goddess Vesta in English and that would be all but I highly doubt if the newer generation would know what Vesta is. I hope I gave you an idea of the matter without being very tiresome. ;-) Have a wonderful day, Lotjeǃ ː-)
Thank you so much for this lecture. In order to avoid any confusion, personally, I would prefer seeing categories like Category:Vesta (ΕΣΤΙΑ). I added some of this very useful information to Hestia (Q41419) for the scholars to take a closer look. See what happens. Have an enjoyable day. Lotje (talk) 10:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Always a pleasure, Lotjeǃ Please take into consideration that I am not a scholar but a hobbyist and my sole intention when I elaborate on any subject related to my hobbies is to help my friends the best I can but never to preach or to teach. ;-) ː-) Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ ː-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 18:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ In regards to your "Asty" question, both categories are about the same subject. That is, the newspaper "ASTY", in Greek "ΑΣΤΥ" which means city in both ancient and 19th century "old" Greek. The first "ASTY" category contains images from the drawings of politicians once published in the newspaper. In the second "ASTY (newspaper) category apart form the drwings themselves there is also an image of the front page of the newspaper. In my opinion, the two categories should be merged into one bearing the name of the second, that is "ASTY (newspaper)."
In regards to Ioannis Pangas, this is another example of the confusion caused when one tries to make a Greek word or a name written in English letters, sounding as close as possible to the Greek original. This will never happen and since both Greeks and English-speaking people take their own initiative to do this, their will never be an English form of a Greek word faithful enough to the original. It is just like the xample I gave you yesterday with Hercules and Herakles which both try to "imitate" as faithful as possible the Greek name "ΗΡΑΚΛΗΣ" or "Ηρακλής." Ioannis Pangas is the correct old form of transition between the Greek "Πάγκας" and the English "Pangas."
The problem, however, is that the Greek language changes too as the decades go by. When I was a child, the correct way to pronounce the name "Πάγκας" was "Πάνγκας" even though it is written as "Πάγκας." That is why the English form of the name was "Pangas." Nowadays, however, the name "Πάγκας" is pronounced as it is written, and consequently it should be written as "Pagkas", "Paggas", or even "Pagas". The most proper form in my opinion according to the new pronounciation of the word, should be "Pagkas" but this would not be acknowledged by everybody. Personally either I would leave it "Pangas" or change it to "Pagkas." This is a risky decision at any rate since each choice will displease somebody. I am happy I do not have to take this decision. ;-) ː-) I hope I helped. ː-) Have a wonderful evening, Lotjeǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you George. Since BD2412 created the Category:Asty, I guess they should be taking a look at our small conversation too.
Seems like all languages change as time goes by. Difficult to keep track sometimes :-)
I feel the best way to somehow remedy this, would be to add the different spellings/writings to Ioannis Pangas (Q1970745), because even there, the Greek only states Ιωάννης Πάγκας. But that decision, I prefer leaving in your capable hands. Have a wonderful day George.
Hello George, the file mentions The Byzantine chapel was built over the ruins of a sanctuary dedicated to the worship of Hercules and Ajax is that Hercules and Ajax then? The interwikilinks could be made if correct. Lotje (talk) 10:33, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, kan you take a look at File:The burial monument of Ioannis Koletis on December 23, 2022.jpg to see if the datalinks are correct? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 07:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ Yes, they are both correct. Ioannis Koletis, however, was not just a leading political figure but a prime minister. The other one is the 1st Cemetery. That is its main gate. I also recognize two out of the three burial monuments mentioned. I am going to visit the cemetery again next week and I will easily verify the third. My impression, however, is that they are both correct. Have a wonderful day, thereǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 07:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
My guessː the magicians have been at work recently. Pitty though, I do not know whom to thank. Actually, they are plahying around right nowǃǃǃ Sincerely yours.
I tried my best, Lotje. Thank youǃ It is not clarified how he died. They lament he died so young, at the beginning of his life, and they hope to meet him in Heaven. They know he will be in Heaven but they hope they will be too. However, if I were to make an assumption, most probably he caught a serious cold since he died on 21 December 1900. That is three days before Christmas. It is one of the coldest day of Winter here in Greece. He was young and young people are usually careless about cold weather. They are careless in general but when it comes to bad weather they think they can handle it. Winters in Athens are very dangerous. The sea is only 8 Km away and the humidity levels are always high. Temperature is not as low as in other European countries but combined with high levels of moisture can get you really sick. Back in 1900 there were no antibiotics and there was no central heating in houses. If you caught a cold back then, most probably you would die. These are all my assumptions, though. I hope you have a wonderful eveningǃ ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much George. Maby the wordt Art should be linked to Θεός, because the sentence Yet, Art planted him in the summer of his life sounds rather strange. Though that must have been the way people expressed themselves in the 1900's. Personally, Personally, I would put: then God caught him in the summer of his life (because: Whenever a good man dies God takes him). At the bebinning of the translation you could also add: (Freely translated). It is just a suggestion. Feel free to do whatever you think is the right thing. Have a wonderulf day George. Lotje (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Good evening, Lotjeǃ In the Greek text the word is "Η ΤΕΧΝΗΝ" which means "the art" but it is with a small "a", not a capital one. I put a capital to give emphasis. From what I understant, the author of the inscription treats the deceased as a flower and as a work of art. As you can see he was extremely handsome. That is why he also uses the word "ΕΦΥΤΕΨΕ" which means "planted." The young man is treated as a flower. In regards to the word "God" I have some doubts for the reason that there is no mention of God anywhere in the text. Even the word "Heaven" I wrote it with a capital letter even though the text is not clear about it since it is written with capital letters. There is also no cross anywhere on the burial monument. I have doubts about the religious beliefs of the whole family. There is a possibility that any reference to the deity, especially using a capital letter might have been unwelcome to the deceased or his family. Even my choice to write "Heaven" instead of "heaven" might be erroneous. I am removing the "My translation in English" with the "which means" so that anybody can edit my translation. Feel free to make any alterations you think proper. I am not a translator and definitely not a poet. ;-) I trust your judgement, though. Feel free to edit the text the way you see fit. ;-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 21:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
P.S. The word "ΟΥΡΑΝΟΥΣ" means literally "skies" but the word "Heaven" is less proper than the word "heavens" in this case. It is also less religious I think. If I were to make another bold assumption, I would say that both Pangiotis and his family were not very religious or at least not too close to the church as one might think. The burial monument of Panagiotis is most probably the only one belonging to that age that has no cross on it. Unless I did not notice it due to the xtreme cold. I am sure, however, from the text that his parents were not very religious. Now, I cannot be sure whether that was due to their frustration for their son's death or due to their general approach on the subject. George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello George, very interesting information on Konstantinos Kritis. I added the second name "Panagiotis" to the description. Maybe there relatives of this young man would (one day), be able to give more details.. Have wonderful day. Lotje (talk) 04:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, Lotjeǃ I have just seen it. I added an "a" to Panagiotis that was missing ;-) ;-) ː-) ː-) ː-). Thank you and have a wonderful day tooǃ ː-) ː-) ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 05:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Yes, Lotjeǃ It is "Panagiotis," not "Pangiotis." That is the Greeklish version of "Παναγιώτης." P.S. In regards to the "P." in the name of Panagiotis P. Kritis, unless you are certain it stands for Panagiotis there is a possibility that it stands for Pavlos (Paul), Petros (Peter), and several other names starting with a P. There is a also a small possibility that the young man had two last names, in which case the "P." in his name might stand for a variety of last names. George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, Lotjeǃ I went to the cemetery earlier today. I think you were right. There was a relative of Konstantinos buried also nearby naked Panagiotis. I think he was his father. I also think you made the right choice. I mean, if I were to assume the name of Konstantinos' father, I would also choose Panagiotis. So, I think we are walking here on safe ground. ;-) Have a wonderful evening tooǃ ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Sadly it was me who made the typo which in reality was not a typo but a mistake since I thought that was his name. His last name is Ipitis, and not Ipitos as I thought. ;-) My bad, Lotje. ː-) George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
No, Lotje that is not him. There is a street in the neighborhood of Kolonaki named after him and it is called Skoufa Street. There is a possibility it is Philotheos Skoufos but I cannot be sure because I see no correlation in his biography and the neighborhood of Plaka or even the city of Athens. In other words, I cannot be sure. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 06:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
No, Lotje. It is Patroou, not Patrou. There is not any Patrou Street in the neighborhood of Plaka and I photographed them all. The last one was Patroou Street. The word patroos is ancient Greek and derives from the word father with the meaning of ancestor or progenitot. There is for example a temple or to be more accurate the remains of the temple of Apollo Patroos (File:Remains of the Temple of Apollo Patroos in the Ancient Agora of Athens on March 23, 2021.jpg). This is his statue (File:Cult statue of Apollo Patroos (4th cent. B.C.) in Ancient Agora Museum on March 23, 2021.jpg). Check out also "Heracles Patroos" in Wikipedia. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 19:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
The location of the temple in both plans is correct. Now, in regards to the information, I have not studied in depth the history of the temple itself. Consequently, I am not aware of the existence of two temples dedicated to the worship of the god. If I were to make an assumption, however, I would say that the "old" temple dates to Athens before its destruction by the Persians and the "new" to the period just after the return of the Athenians to the city and its rebuild. As for Ion, he was indeed the son of Apollo according to one version of the myth but I was not aware that there was a correlation between the temple itself, Apollo and Ion. If I were to make another assumption I would say that most probably it is correct. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 04:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello George, if you have a spare minute, could you take a look at the image and the category suggestion I made? If ok, I would add all the images in that category, but first you consent Cheers and have an enjoyable evening Lotje (talk) 16:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Good evening from Athens, Lotje. "Μωρίας Εγκώμιον" in Greeklish would be "Morias Egkomion." Your version ("Enkomion"), however, which is another popular version of the word is closer to what it sounds in Greek. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 20:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Good morning George, thank you so much. That, however puts me for a dilemma. Preferring not to use Greeklish (in this case maye Greekdish (Dutch Greeklish ), I would "Morias Enkomion", but since the title reads "Morias Egkomion" I guess that would be the name for the commons category. Or would you have another, better solution? Cheers. Lotje (talk) 04:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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This is the Sacred Way which runs the space to the left of the vaulted riverbed. If you check the image, I have tagged the Sacred Way, and Eridanos. That single block in the left low corner is what remians of the gate. The vaulted riverbed is the bulk of the rectangular blocks on the right. Cheersǃ George E. Koronaios (talk) 22:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much George. If you would have not described it, I would never have thought to mouseover it to detect . Btw isn't that a wonderful photo? Lotje (talk) 13:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Good monring George, I wanted to add the image to nl.wiktionary to the word annotations, but als MarcoSwart does not see it. And now I cannat find it back either. Can you take a look at it? Wouldn't know how to fix this myself. Thanks. Lotje (talk) 05:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello George, if you ask me, admins are playing around, teasing us... Don't have a clue of what's going on. Wish I could be of more help. Enjoy the rest of the day. Lotje (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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