User talk:Fry1989/Gallery/Road Signs/Canada/Québec

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Nitpick № 1

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You said that you were okay with nitpicks, so here we go. Now, I know that you are currently doing Singapore, and only doing Singapore as a break from the Vienna Convention, but since Québec is on your todo list anyway I thought that I might point out some things that you can do later, whenever you feel like it (or need a break from Singapore :P). For this first nitpick, direct your attention to sign P-10 (Stop). Since you uploaded the file in 2014, they made the font wider (FHWA Series D). Hopefully, they should have updated the downloadable file accordingly (don't forget the construction sheet!). I added a link to the file description that you can follow. Also, don't worry about replacing dead links. I'll do it myself. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nitpick № 2

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In July 2013, you uploaded File:Québec P-30.svg. Since then, its design has been tweaked, but there also some flaws that I suspect will still be present if you re-download the image. I want to start by addressing these flaws. First off, take a close look at the left-most circle sections of the two arrows (you might want to load the image at a pixel width of 5000). You may notice that it doesn't connect perfectly to the straight sections, but slightly bulges outwards. Then we have the red arrow. I find it to be quite wonky, but I also believe that this will be quite easy to fix (at least for someone with your expertise). You see, the sign's construction sheet specifies a solid red arrow, with circle radii for the two curves, and then specifies the width of the white strokes going across it.
Now, you have a practice of putting a black border around white signs for visibility, but it seems that Québec's transport ministry decided to surround all yellow or white signs used as a visual element inside other signs with a black border. In this case, the white part of the yield sign has a black border around it with a width of 6 mm.
I also found construction sheets for arrow details and the yield sign. I thought that they maybe would be useful. One thing you'll want to keep in mind is that not all information about the sign is given in the conjunction to the diagram, but some of it (most notably fonts and border width) is given at the bottom of the paper constituting the construction sheet, inside boxes. Cheers! VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, after taking a close look at it in inkscape, both the left and right circle sections of both arrowheads seem to have this issue, but it's more noticeable on the left circle sections. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nitpick № 3

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So this one is a bit more annoying, but at the same time more minor than the previous two nitpicks. It regards the wavy pattern used on the sign to the right, among others. At first, I thought that it was flawless. But after taking a look at it with vector editing software, my heart sank just a tiny bit. While most of the pattern is indeed perfect, there is a spot which for some reason uses an unnecessary number of nodes, and more importantly, is offset downwards, leaving a straight vertical edge which is visible if you zoom in a lot. And to the best of my knowledge, this random error carries over to every sign which the wavy pattern is used on. It should be relatively easy for someone like you to fix (I imagine that it's just a matter of repeating the otherwise flawless pattern), but I find it pretty irritating that this needs to be done at all. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 13:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a moment but I spotted the flaw you are referring to. When I first did Quebec, I simply uploaded the EPS files as-is (same with New Zealand). When I go back to them and redo them, I intend to look through the files and redo them to my standards and remove any flaws. Fry1989 eh? 18:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nitpick №5

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This is another one that affects multiple files, namely all files that include the shown tree. I thought that it looked fine, until I opened it with vector graphics editing software which revealed that it was in fact made up with over 100 corner nodes. But I actually found an extraordinarily simple method for fixing it. In Inkscape, simply select all those corner nodes, and use the "simplify" command. As far as I can remember, the resulting file used the bare minimum of nodes, and was perfectly symmetrical too. The table also uses inappropriate corner nodes for the "rounded" corners, and while the "simplify" command doesn't work as well here, it should at the same be easier to fix manually.
You're doing good work with Vietnam by the way. I just want you to know that I personally would not hesitate to hire you before anyone who uses hundreds of corner nodes to approximate curves. Cheers! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 07:46, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It amazes me how some people construct these files when they are supposed to be for professional use. Sometimes I try to trace images myself. It's not perfect but it's about 95% accurate when I do it. It's annoying though because it is labour intensive much of the time. Also I have an obsessive-compulsive thing with symmetry and so many files are not symmetrical when they should be so I usually have to cut them in half and rejoin the two halves.
Vietnam is going to be a bit of a struggle to complete because there's something weird going on with the text on many of the signs when I view them in Inkscape. I used to know how to fix this with Scribus, but I have forgotten how and will need to ask for help. Fry1989 eh? 17:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I want to help in any way I can, so I will share a bit information (but you may already be aware of it). Doesn't Vietnam use the German DIN font? I believe that, in a Windows update, that font got added as "Bahnschrift". Even in different weights! Maybe you have Windows. Maybe you don't. Personally, I am more of a Linux person, but—the computers at my school use Windows, and I have seen the font. If you need, I could try to use some "trickery" to get the font files and send them to you. But—this particular font uses some cool new technology that allows you to adjust weight and width with sliders. Here's the thing, I don't know if the font is stored as regular old-school font files, or of this advanced feature means that it's more hard-wired into Windows. If that doesn't work out, you could ask me to do individual words, and then I could send them as SVG files. Anything to help. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I'm assuming that you have the Vietnamese road sign document, but in case you don't, here's a link (WARNING! Massive PDF file!) (it's from an official government website, not anything third party). Most of the included vector graphics feel unusable, but some are actually fairly decent. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I have that document. If you have Inkscape, try opening page 225 in it and you will see that the text "KIEM TRA" turns into a bunch of different glyphs. This is the problem I am referring to. Some PDFs embed their text in a weird way, I've faced this problem in some US road sign PDFs as well. I used to be able to open the page in Scribus and export it into an SVG and that would fix this problem, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. So I will need to seek some help. Vietnam does use DIN 1451 with some modifications for the Vietnamese alphabet, but unless I can get the text the way it is supposed to be, I can't re-create it in my signs. I can't even trace them. Fry1989 eh? 20:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, just let me know on my talk page whenever you need help with that. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 21:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Any time would be great. The sooner the better really. If you have a solution, I am all ears. Fry1989 eh? 21:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just tell me what words need to be done, and I will send them to you as SVG files. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 21:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure it is that simple. I do have a copy of DIN 1451 and I can trace the accent symbols, but I also rely on the text being proper so that I can position the letters correctly. I was able to create File:Vietnam road sign P115.svg because the construction sheet has actual measurements and positioning of the characters, but not all of them are like that. But we can try. Fry1989 eh? 00:10, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can also try to see if Bahnschrift includes the accent symbols. I believe that it at least contains European "single" accents, not sure about Vietnamese "multi" accents.... VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 06:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have Bahnschrift in Inkscape. It appears to be based on DIN 1451 Mittelschrift, but it doesn't have an equivalent for Engschrift. Fry1989 eh? 21:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see. As for the diacritics, I copied and pasted some Vietnamese text into Microsoft Word, and I made some observations:

  • European diacritics are fine.
  • Multiple diacritics do not work as text, but could be assembled afterwards, by typing the single diacritics and then placing them in their correct positions with vector editing software.
  • Diacritics that are unique to Vietnamese (i.e. the horn and the hook above) are unsupported.

VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't expect they would be supported. User:มองโกเลีย๔๔ was able to make the diacritics for File:Vietnam road sign P129.svg and File:Vietnam road sign P127a.svg. Perhaps it is best I ask them to create the files requiring text. Fry1989 eh? 19:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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