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JuTa 21:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kürt Sorununda Demokratik Çözüm Bildirgesi

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Hi, Utku. Your approaches are too biassed. For example, this edit is not appropriate. Although you claim this part might be based on personal explanation, this part is nothing but a quotation of that book. Moreover, this edit is not also acceptable. Because this book is used in multiple reliable sources (in English). Maybe you and other users don't know Wikipedia:Notability (books). I strongly recommend you to read these rules. I understand your sentiment toward the Kurdistan Workers' Party, Abdullah Öcalan etc.. But because the Turkish Wikipedia is also an encyclopedia, you musn't behave politically and ideologically. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can help you by providing sources:

Kürt Sorununda Demokratik Çözüm Bildirgesi, Haziran 1999'da Mem Yayınları tarafından yayımlanan[1] Kürdistan İşçi Partisi (PKK) lideri Abdullah Öcalan'ın savunma niteliğinde bir kitaptır.[2]

31 Mayıs 1999'da İmralı Adası'nda davanın başlamasından hemen sonra basılmış 168 sayfalık kitap 600.000 TL, 10 DM, 5 USD ile satılmıştır[3] Kitabın anahtar kelimesi "Demokratik çözüm" olmuştur. Yargıçlara hitaben yazılmış ve 29.5.1999 tarihi taşıyan "Barış Manifestosu"'nda PKK'nin varlığının yasal-siyasal zemine çeklimesi ve demokratik sistemle bütünleştirilmesini savunmuştur. Ve Manifestoyu şu sözüyle bitirmiştir:

Yaşasın Bağımsız ve Özgür Vatan!
Yaşasın Demokratik Cumhuriyet'

Turgut Özal'ın çağrısı üzerine 15 Mart 1993 tarihli basın toplantısında

Biz, hemen Türkiye'den ayrılalım diye bir yaklaşım içinde değiliz.[4] Kitabın

demiş olması ve 1 Eylül 1998 tek taraflı ateşkes ilanında

Biz bu şiddetin en zorlanan tarafıyız. Müthiş güç dengesizliği ortamında, sırf kendini savunmak, en meşru insan haklarımız, kimliğimiz, kültürmüz için eğer, sırf imha olmaktan kurtulmak için, zorunlu bir savunma yöntemi tercih etmişsek, bu, Birleşmiş Milletler Anayasası'nda hatta T.C. Anayasası'nda bir hak olarak vardır.[5]

Şeklinde demeç vermiş olmasını delil göstererek "ayrılıkçı" olmadığını ve sadece kendi haklarını savunduğunu dile getirmiştir. Ayrıca PKK'nın eylemlerinin terör olarak değil, düşük yoğunluklu savaş olarak değerlendirilmesi gerektiğini savunmuştur.[6] Kitabın Mustafa Kemal Atatürk'ün bir demokratik devrim yapmadığını, fakat üst yapı reformlarıyla demokratik bir alt yapı oluşturduğunu ancak Demokrat Parti ile Cumhuriyetin demokrasi yerine oligarşiye yönlendirildiğini yorumlamıştır.[7] Kitapta Cumhuriyet tarihindeki Kürt isyanları ile PKK'nın eylemlerini kıyaslayarak PKK'nınkinin uzun sürdüğünü, dış kaynaklı olmaktan ziyade öz kaynaklı bir eylem olduğunu savunmuştur.[8]

Kaynak

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  1. ↑ Abdullah Öcalan, Kürt Sorununda Demokratik Çözüm Bildirgesi, Mem Yayınları, Haziran 1999, İstanbul, p. 4.
  2. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 7.
  3. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 168.
  4. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 11.
  5. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 17.
  6. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 15, 71.
  7. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 27.
  8. ↑ Öcalan, age, p. 72.

And you can add criticisms etc.. by using many reliable sources that I've given above. Cheers. Takabeg (talk) 06:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Probably you also understand, I think the importance of this book is the point that he wrote he didn't have intention of the independence of the Kurds. Takabeg (talk) 10:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again! I find it notable, too, but the information had no sources. Because of that i had made the change and wrote the reason as summary. Utku Tanrivere (talk) 10:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Could you control whether these sources are reliable not ? We have to be carefully deal with informations. For example, somebody traduces Ahmet Derviş (for example Zilan kasabı Albay Derviş (Ahmed) = this is not a reliable source). But he wasn't there. They confuse Ahmet Derviş and Captain Derviş who commanded a machine gun detachment (mitralyöz müfrezesi). Takabeg (talk) 11:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a look as soon as possible. Kind regards. Utku Tanrivere (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hiçbir kaynağı belirtilmemiş, bilgileri nereden nasıl aldığı belli olmayan bir maddenin intervikisini eklemek doğru mu? Türkçesi de aynı vaziyette. --Bermanya (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now I'm comparing with official records of the Turkish General Staff:

  • Zilan katliamının komutası albay Derviş’teydi. Fault. Ahmet Derviş's rank was mirliva. Derviş's rank was captain. So this information is groundless.
  • 1886 yılında Vardar’a bağlı (Makedonya sınırları içinde) Yenice’de doğdu. Ahmet Derviş was born in Yenidje-i Vardar in 1884 (not in 1886).
  • Son görev yeri Erzincan’dı. Erzincan’dan Malazgirt hattı üzerinden Zilan’a geldi. Fault. The last service of Ahmet Derviş was member of the Military Supreme Court, Ankara.
  • Rütbesi Albay’dı. Zilan’da malum katliamı gerçekleştirdikten sonra, 30 Ağustos 1930’da rütbesi generalliğe yükseltildi. Fault. He was promoted to the rank of Ferik in 1930.
  • Madalya ile ödüllendirildi. 1932’de öldü. True.
  • Kemal Derviş’in akrabası, Dersim kasabı Abdullah Alpdoğan’ın bacanağı, Koçgiri kasabı sakallı Nurettin Paşa’nın damadıydı.Fault. I don't know about Kemal Derviş. Nureddin Pasha (1309-P. 31) had two daughters: Semiha (1896–1950) and Memduha (1904–1970). Semiha was married to Hüseyin Pasha, Memduha was married to Major General Eşref Alpdoğan (1327-P. 19). He is not the Governor of the Fourth Inspectorate-General Lieutenant General Hüseyin Abdullah Alpdoğan (1310-P. 12).
  • Sağ kurtulan çocukların öldürülmesini istiyordu. Groundless.

Takabeg (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately i don't have any idea, why you tell me this stuff... You are able to change the pages as well. Utku Tanrivere (talk) 17:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to teach you how to research history :) Cheers. Takabeg (talk) 19:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep your assaults yourself. First, you should learn how to be respectful. Utku Tanrivere (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
assaults ? I strongly recommend you to read Assume good faith again and again. İyi okumalar. Takabeg (talk) 19:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to recommend of course, but not free to assault on other uses, which don't have the same opinion with you. I strongly wish you a good night as my last message. Utku Tanrivere (talk) 20:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't understand why do you feel assualt ? I provided sources for you. Because I've witnessed your wrong and biased action. I know your intention to become an admin., so I tried to help you. That's all. Good luck. Takabeg (talk) 20:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Anlaşıldı... Kaynaksız olduğu ve bu nedenle taraflı, özgün olabileceği, hatta propaganda amaçlı olabileceği değerlendirilen bir içeriği kaldırmak size göre yanlış olabilir, bana göreyse alkışlanacak bir davranıştır. Hangi niyetin nasıl olduğunu da anlayabiliyorum ne mutlu ki. "Sana tarihin nasıl araştırılacağını öğretmek istedim :)" gibi küçümseyici bir tavrın arkasında iyi niyet arayacak kadar Polyanna değilim, kusuruma bakmayın. Eğer yaptığım işlemin yanlış olduğunu düşünüyorsanız da girersiniz Vikipedi'ye, düzeltirsiniz. Bana iyi niyet varsaymayı öğretmeye çalışıyorsunuz ama belli ki Vikipedi'nin herkese açık olduğunu unutmuşsunuz. Hizmetlilik için iki kez tavsiye ile başvurdum, ikinci tavsiye Vikipedi'de geçmiyor; olmadı ve benim de böyle bir "niyetimin" olduğu söylenemez şu an. Zira haddini bilmeyen pek çok insan oluyor ve hizmetli olunca daha fazlasıyla uğraşmak gerekir. Neyse, dediğim gibi, madem yanlış bir hareket, isterseniz düzeltirsiniz. İyi çalışmalar. Utku Tanrivere (talk) 20:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Türkçe Viki topluluğunun gerçek manada tarafsız olabilmesi için benim direkt olarak müdahale etmemem daha iyidir. Ancak resim kontrolü gereği bazen Türkçe Vikiye girdiğimde sorunları buluyorum. Farkettiğim ve dikkat çekici sorunların bazılarını diğer kullanıcılarla paylaşmayacak kadar soğuk biri değilimdir. O yüzden bir nevi ihbarcılık (ispiyonculuk değil :)) yapıyorum. İyi çalışmalar. Takabeg (talk) 20:52, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Village pump in Turkish language

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Commons:Köy çeşmesi varmis. Yeni ogrendim :) Takabeg (talk) 15:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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