User talk:Doug youvan/archive 1

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Licensing and permissions

The viewer feels great sympathy for the victim depicted in the images Image:Youvan Police Report Attempted Murder 1.gif and Image:Image-Youvan Police Report Attempted Murder 2.gif. They are disturbing and evocative images that would find use illustrating forensic science-related articles. However, further harm may be the result of the publication of these pictures. You indicate that you made these photos. Since they identified as part of a police report, is their publication in accordance with laws related to such reports? Was consent to their publication obtained from the victim?

Yes, and I am the victim. Doug youvan 20:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please follow the process of Commons:OTRS to license material published elsewhere to which you own the copyright, e.g., Image:Kairos Scientific webpage header during Kairos Scientific v Fish & Richardson.JPG. Also, please review COM:PS. It may not be obvious to others how some of your contributions relate to the scope of Commons, e.g., Image:Biological Manhattan Project.gif. Please clarify this, if you would.

The person taking the picture was employed by me to photograph a newsworthy event wherein I am one of the identified photogs. Doug youvan 20:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For photographs of identified or identifiable individuals other than yourself, it is generally a good idea to obtain consent to its publication, e.g., Image:Karr and Youvan, Copperhead Stagecoach Co..jpg. Please review COM:PEOPLE and COM:L.. Pictures that you appear in should indicate how you took it, e.g., Image:Kairos Scientific versus Fish & Richardson.JPG. Otherwise, it may be assumed that someone else, a friend or acquaintance, holds the copyright and the OTRS process must be used. Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I owned Copperhead Stage Coach Co.; the photograph includes Karr and me. I have Karr's permission as a photog. Doug youvan 20:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see no auto-signature, so I am now signing. Doug youvan 20:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No bot, so now signing (::) and (:::) Doug youvan 20:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to learn of your attempted murder. Are you sure that you want to publish these reports? Once they are published with a PD license, they may be used for any lawful purpose, including commercial advertising. Is that what you intend? I assume that the reports are the work of Frontenac Police Department employees. Is that ok with them, too?

I wonder if you'd be kind enough to correct the source and author fields of the Information templates for those images for which you were not the author or the source, please? Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think signbot runs on Commons. Please sign your comments as above. Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help on Neo-Nazi Block for User = Nukeh on WP

Nukeh = Doug Youvan = that is I, have been permanently blocked on WP, with no avenue to contact an Admin or appeal. I made a legal threat in response to a threat of violence as can be seen in the user page docket of Nukeh. Mike Godwin, WP general counsel, should be informed that the law of the land supercedes WP rules when threats of violence have been made. Make no mistake about it, Neo-Nazis can edit on WP, and I oppose them.Doug youvan 20:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definiton of "can edit", now bolded, in the sentence, above: can edit == (have edited (past)) and/or (are editing (present)) and/or (will edit (future)). Doug youvan 21:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked or not, you may E-mail any Wikipedia administrator with your appeal. In my experience, those who are most effective in dealing with abusive editing do so in full compliance with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see no email addresses for an Admin. In any case, general counsel is informed of this problem and has apparently placed WP rules above law. As WP is viewed as authoritative, it appears that legal action and judgment must be pursued so as to cause WP to place disclaimers on all articles. Doug youvan 03:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I now see my username, which is my real name, in the user page of "Doug youvan" in RED. This indicates that I have been deleted as a user on Commons. Is that true? Doug youvan 03:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For public reference, the blocking editor on Nukeh is Nakon. Email would apparently go here: Committed identity: 744f6e15d69f0d942934f3f4a90831169f69f0a7 is a SHA1 commitment to this user's real-life identity. Does Nakon have a braided flag in their office?

"Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces."

Doug youvan 04:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original Message-----

From: Douglas C. Youvan Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:35 PM To: Mike Godwin Subject: FW: Copy of your message to Nakon: Wikipedia e-mail

Original Message-----

From: Nukeh [1] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:33 PM To: Nukeh Subject: Copy of your message to Nakon: Wikipedia e-mail

[edit] Help on Neo-Nazi Block for User = Nukeh on WP Nukeh = Doug Youvan = that is I, have been permanently blocked on WP, with no avenue to contact an Admin or appeal. I made a legal threat in response to a threat of violence as can be seen in the user page docket of Nukeh. Mike Godwin, WP general counsel, should be informed that the law of the land supercedes WP rules when threats of violence have been made. Make no mistake about it, Neo-Nazis can edit on WP, and I oppose them.Doug youvan 20:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Definiton of "can edit", now bolded, in the sentence, above: can edit == (have edited (past)) and/or (are editing (present)) and/or (will edit (future)). Doug youvan 21:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC) Blocked or not, you may E-mail any Wikipedia administrator with your appeal. In my experience, those who are most effective in dealing with abusive editing do so in full compliance with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Walter Siegmund (talk) 23:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC) I see no email addresses for an Admin. In any case, general counsel is informed of this problem and has apparently placed WP rules above law. As WP is viewed as authoritative, it appears that legal action and judgment must be pursued so as to cause WP to place disclaimers on all articles. Doug youvan 03:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC) I now see my username, which is my real name, in the user page of "Doug youvan" in RED. This indicates that I have been deleted as a user on Commons. Is that true? Doug youvan 03:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC) For public reference, the blocking editor on Nukeh is Nakon. Email would apparently go here: Committed identity: 744f6e15d69f0d942934f3f4a90831169f69f0a7 is a SHA1 commitment to this user's real-life identity. Does Nakon have a braided flag in their office? "Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces." Doug youvan 04:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_youvan" Doug youvan 04:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original Message-----

From: Nukeh [2] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:14 PM To: Nukeh Subject: Copy of your message to Seraphimblade: Wikipedia e-mail

Todd,

Why is my name in RED on this page on Commons?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Doug+youvan&go=Go

Doug Doug youvan 05:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From: Douglas C. Youvan [Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:44 PM To: 'mbooth@denverpost.com' Cc: Mike Godwin Subject: Seraphimblade

Mr. Booth:

I thought that you might be interested in the following ‘blocked editor’ on Wikipedia given that the blocking administrator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Seraphimblade) cites your article, http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_5786064 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nukeh

Doug Youvan

cc: WP General Counsel Doug youvan 05:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to find any of my uploaded images on a deletion list, nor do I understand the "Project scope" issue if work is in progress. I did find Image:Cola_bottle_and_vulva.jpg on the deletion list, and it is unclear why my upload of

would be placed in the same category. Doug youvan 13:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My upload of

is also Figure 4 in [3]. Doug youvan 13:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[edit] Why is amino acid residue hydropathy and molar volume encoded in the genetic code prior to translation?

Doug Youvan (talk) 02:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The genetic code is fault tolerant such that point mutations (single base changes) are less likely to cause destabilizing mutations in proteins. Thus, amino acids with similar physical properties are more likely to have similar triplets. From this article: "A practical consequence of redundancy is that some errors in the genetic code only cause a silent mutation or an error that would not affect the protein because the hydrophilicity or hydrophobicity is maintained by equivalent substitution of amino acids; for example, a codon of NUN (where N = any nucleotide) tends to code for hydrophobic amino acids." Madeleine ✉ ✍ 02:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC) The genetic code is certainly capable of evolving, especially when you don't have a lot of cellular machinery committed to it. As is evident from the article, there are many examples of mitochondrial variations on the genetic code. Tweaking the code isn't impossible - the code, after all, is the product of a specific machinery - tRNA synthetases and tRNA itself, to be exact. It's possible that at a primitive enough point in the history of organismal complexity, this machinery evolved to some semblance of optimality. But this is just my speculation - I'll try and find a few references on the subject. Graft | talk 05:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC) The source of the figure is here: http://www.complexity.org.au/ci/vol01/fullen01/html/ and that on-line paper's references will show a few interesting things: 1) the structure of a membrane protein can be predicted from the nucleotide sequence (without translation), because the correlation between the structure of the genetic code and the the hydropathy of the amino acids residues is significant, 2) Singular Value Decomposition (SVD) can be used to map amino acid residue hydropathy and molar volume (separately) back onto the triplet codon as a function of the position in the codon and the nucleotide used, and 3) the genetic code as it stands is special as compared to random codes for supporting in vitro directed evolution experiments wherein genetic algorithms (theory and practice) are used to guide the 'doping' of codons in synthetic DNA for combinatorial mutagenesis. So, my question can be rephrased as follows: Why is the genetic code structured in a manner that predicts (another word might be better ?) the two most important properties of the amino acid residues? I don't believe there is a known feedback mechanism to select for a particular code, nor is the subject discussed much. It would seem that a hypothetical evolutionary selection on the primordial code might have lead to several different codes which we do not see. Any references to this that we can cite? I should add that there is a related discussion here Talk:Moore-Penrose_pseudoinverse#PseudoInverse_of_Partitioned_Tuples where readers of this discussion should recognize "alphabet = 4" as the four nucleotides, and "word = 3" as the triplet (3) codon. Using that math, the conventional PsuedoInverse (from SVD) is not needed for matrices structured such as the genetic code. It's unclear whether that is a special and / or trivial solution to P=NP. Proper referencing to encyclopedic quality work is needed in that case, too. Doug Youvan (talk) 06:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC) May I suggest that the "yellow figure" be placed in the article with an explanation of the 20 letter single amino acid code and the use of "N" for any of the four nucleotides in the triplet? Later, some of the more complex discussion (as in above) can be referenced rather than trying to go into this depth. Another editor's help would be appreciated in order to keep this understandable. Doug Youvan (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC) It's hard to imagine a feedback mechanism these days, but with a much higher error rate in the process of translation redundancy would ensure greater fidelity of the protein. That seems mechanism enough. Graft | talk 15:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC) So, without any mechanistic explanation, should we just insert the figure as an interesting phenomenon? It's basically the code plus two critical aa residue physicochemical properties in a Venn diagram. The explanation of molar volume is simply size, and the hydropathy scale is basically water solubility. Nothing more needs to be said.Doug Youvan (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC) No. The diagram is difficult to understand and you're writing a lot of strange OR-ish stuff on this talk page. The observation of this redundancy is not new, try googling [optimization of the genetic code]. If someone else would like to expand the article's coverage of this then that might be nice (although I don't see that it's critical), but I would be uncomfortable with seeing any additions come from you since you seem to be pushing an original research viewpoint that I do not understand. Sorry to be so blunt. Madeleine ✉ ✍ 04:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genetic_code" Doug youvan 14:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This will be discussed elsewhere, beacuse there is a direct logical link to: 1) the textbooks used by children in public schools, 2) the IRS status of WP, 3) freedom of speech, 4) obvious disclaimers that WP should have on the home page, and 5) the defiance of PubMed and others to a Congressional mandate. In addition, I am under a permanent editorial block as Nukeh. Doug youvan 17:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Future discussion will be here:Wikipedia v The God of Abraham

Doug youvan 19:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original Message-----

From: Nukeh [4] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:26 PM To: Nukeh Subject: Copy of your message to Seraphimblade: Wikipedia e-mail

I hereby retract my legal threat. Doug youvan 19:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page deletion

OK looking at this you created a page with your name in the Commons mainspace - this is solely for pages with media on arranged by topic/category etc. Personal (& blank pages) are outside the scope of this project. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 08:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC

Doug youvan 18:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)My username = my real name, is RED in my gallery. I don't understand. Are my images being considered for deletion?[reply]

As nukeh, my single-ever user name on the en. subdomain, in chronological order:

I tracked some editors with a neo-NAZI agenda on certain critical articles in US public school education,
one made a threat of violence (docketed in the en. subdomain),
I issued a "legal threat" (consistent with US law),
Mike Godwin stopped talking with me,
I withdrew the "legal threat",
no editors in the en. subdomain will talk with me,
Mike Godwin still does not communicate with me.

I conclude that fellow editors are afraid of being banned if they seek to rectify this injustice, and I can't defend my image contributions on Village Pump because I am still blocked as Nukeh. Doug youvan 18:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned images because of Nukeh ban

It appears that any images I enter henceforth as Doug youvan will be orphaned, because I can't edit as Nukeh on en.wiki..., but I have much to contribute. Fascist censorship? Doug youvan 14:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kierkegaard:

   And now for Christianity! Christianity teaches that every man, 
   say an ordinary man who would be quite proud of having
   once in his life talked with the King of Denmark, can talk with
   God any moment he wishes, and is sure to be heard by Him, that
   for this man's sake God came into the world to suffer and die.
   If anything would stun a man, surely it is this. Whoever has
   not the humble courage to believe it, must surely be offended
   by it. (abridged from SICKNESS UNTO DEATH)   Doug youvan 14:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hello Doug, and welcome to Commons. I'd like to offer some guidance and help about what Commons is about, and be sure to be available to answer any queries you may have about this project. We don't have formal mentorship, but this community is generally very helpful - we follow the mellow karma around here :).

More than a central repository of media for the diverse Wikimedia projecs, Commons is hosting media under free licenses that can potentially be used in other projects, and reused also outside Wikimedia. Therefore, it is possible to contribute with media even if it can't/will not be immediatly allocated in a Wikimedia wiki, such as en.wikipedia. It can, of course be frustating to upload images that yourself cannot put in articles, but do keep in mind that, if they are useful, someone soon or later can find them and use them - just use good descriptive name files, put them in categories, and write a short, objective description on the image page description.

This does not mean that Commons accepts any kind of material. According to our project scope, which has been thoroughly linked before here on your user talk, we're only accepting material that has potential educational value. Also, keep in mind that personal pages should be under the namespace "User", and that Commons talk pages are to be used to exchanges questions, comments and help about the project itself and the media it hosts.

That said, I find some of your postings on this page out of this scope of talk pages (and frankly of anywhere on Commons), and would prefer if you would allocate them in a blog, or some sort of other webpage outside of Commons. I don't know much about what led to your block on en.wikipedia, mostly because I don't pay much attention to what goes around there and I didn't read so much about it anyway, but I can understand if your block had anything to do with this kind of posting. It's really not appreciated, and we'd rather see it somewhere else. You are welcome to contribute in a constructive manner to Commons, regardless of blocks elsewhere.

Happy editing, Patrícia ^msg 09:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"but I can understand if your block had anything to do with this kind of posting. It's really not appreciated,". What do you mean by "this kind of"? Is there anything in my uploaded images that "is this kind of" problem? Who is it that determines what is "not appreciated"? Our views of what can be done for the public good might differ. Agreed? Doug youvan 11:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please bear in mind that this is not about the "public good". Commons is a repository for correctly licensed images that may be used elsewhere - nothing more, nothing less. Anything else is outside our scope here and will be deleted. Equally it is a collaborative project that requires people to work together with a good will. I have no interest in what may or may not have happened on Wikipedia but I am concerned about content & behaviour here (as it seems others are). Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 11:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. Back to uploading images ... Doug youvan 12:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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