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Seal of Khải-Định Thần-Hàn (啓定宸翰)

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Hi Donald Trung,

I have cropped the document I uploaded earlier (the certificate of the Kai Ding period) into the image of the Khải-Định Thần-Hàn (啓定宸翰) seal. I hope this will help you to request someone to make an svg file or add it to relevant articles. 源義信 (talk) 05:45, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@源義信: , thank you for figuring it out, I've added it to the list, but the list is still far for complete as I've only documented 55 (fifty-five) Imperial Seals out of the 93 (ninety-three). Catalogues of imperial Nguyễn Dynasty seals do exist as can be seen here (Archive), but I've simply never seen one in person.
By the way, I also figured out what it was used for, there's an article at the Japanese-language Wikipedia, but nowhere else. Usually these articles ignore Vietnam, often Mandarin-language Wikipedia articles start with "XXX is a concept used in China and Korea" or "XXX is a concept used in China, Korea, and Japan" while an identical concept existed in Việt Nam. This is a good example starting with "按察使，是中國、日本、朝鮮官職，明清時為正三品。「按察使」一名始見於唐朝。原為監察性質的官職，近於御史，後逐漸偏向司法官，清代別稱有臬臺、臬絲、西司、廉訪。". But in Việt Nam this position existed until 1945, yet according to the Mandarin-language Wikipedia there's no mention of Việt Nam at all. So, often the information is out there, but it's ignored if it concerns the Vietnamese system.
As for requesting SVG's, I've already requested a bunch and these are in limbo, not many people can write Chinese seal script and the few users that can are often busy with other requests. I don't have a particular standalone article planned for this seal so I'm not planning on requesting an SVG. I am trying to realise a full list of Nguyễn Dynasty seals until the province level (Prefecture and District levels are "too deep" as there were like more than 300 (three-hundred) Districts during the Nguyễn Dynasty period), I've already come very far as I've already listed all the Post-Minh Mạng era provincial mandarins, most government agencies, and most inscription variants (though I haven't done calligraphic variants yet, something which I'm planning on doing later), currently the article stands at 312,5K bytes, but there's a lot more planned. I'm planning on going to museums around Hanoi when going to Việt Nam to visit family members and try to take as many seal knobs as possible (often seals are on display and there aren't that many free images of Nguyễn Dynasty seal knobs online), and I've already downloaded a couple of books about Nguyễn Dynasty seals, but I haven't found the time yet to upload all the seal prints to the Wikimedia Commons as I'm planning on adding images to all the listed seals there in time. Basically every time I look around somewhere I discover new categories of seals, many of which are barely documented in the standard works, for example seals of French provincial residents used on Classical Chinese documents. I feel a bit like David Hartill working almost a decade on his book on Cast Chinese Amulets (which my sister bought for my birthday 🎂) where he kept finding and discovering new categories ending up with 5000+ (five-thousand plus) Chinese Amulets. Meanwhile limiting it to the province-level (of which there were less than 40 (forty) during the Nguyễn Dynasty) would make it somewhat narrow enough to complete with a reasonable amount of resources 😅😅😅, but the issue remains that a lot of these documents aren't online yet. A surprising number of them are "hiding" at Meta's Facebook, I actually started looking there after I saw you upload a couple from there.
Thank you very much for figuring out the inscription, Chinese seal script is very difficult and almost nobody can read it, and a reason why I am making those lists of Nguyễn Dynasty seals is so people can figure out what seals they are looking at and why they were placed there. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:45, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
A total of 12 (twelve) Imperial Seals were made during the Khải Định period of the Nguyễn Dynasty, I documented 6 (six) already, so I'm already halfway there. 😅😅😅 --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
I act as if this is a uniquely Nguyễn Dynasty issue, the government of the Republic of China also uses these types of seals (even in 2023) and they are barely documented at Wikimedia websites either, I'm planning on adding them to more Republic of China articles after they have been vectorised (made SVG's). In fact, it's only been very recently that I've noticed a trend of Chinese-style seals being added to articles at Wikipedia's as they seem to have been ignored for the better part of 2 (two) decades outside of highly specific contexts. I think that adding them will have some sort of "snowball effect" where if I document the Nguyễn Dynasty and Joseon it will expand out to include Japan and Chinese dynasties. Though Rome wasn't built in a day, but people often tend to "copy" other articles and then change the style to match the concept. So I think that a "Seals revolution" is slowly occurring, but that this requires me to do the legwork for now so others can run.
What I mean with this is often a few users tackle a few subjects early on, and then others will feel inspired to expand those articles and also to write new articles about the general concept but different subjects. In fact, I largely built Vietnamese symbol articles based on the earlier research of Musée Annam (a globally banned troll and sockpuppeteer who was occasionally right and often wrong about Vietnamese history). Someone might read the English-language Wikipedia and see "Hey, there's an article about Nguyễn Dynasty seals but none about Manchu Qing Dynasty seals?!" And then write that. This is why I often say "content creation begets more content creation" as I often look through existing Wikimedia Commons categories to try to emulate the style and upload more in those general categories of subjects. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Donald Trung.
noticed that you have uploaded several portrait photographs of members of the Nguyen Dynasty royal family. In fact, these photos are from Souverains et notabilités d'Indochine, published in 1943. It is a very useful reference book with a large number of photographs of people and their biographies. The book is available on BNF.

We don't need these lower resolution photos from second hand sources if we get them from BNF, however I have not yet started uploading photos of the royal family. Some files I uploaded before can be viewed in the category of Souverains et notabilités d'Indochine. I am now adding information to these images, but once the original photos have been uploaded, I may request that these low-resolution photos be deleted, or request that you do so. 源義信 (talk) 04:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Plus: I guess the images posted by Bùi Quang Tuấn are from archive.org because the same stains on the photograph of the grand empress dowager. 源義信 (talk) 04:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
源義信, Hello,
I don't know where Bùi Quang Tuấn gets his images from. Honestly, I found him after I noticed that you uploaded an image of Thành Thái period documents from Meta's Facebook and I then started looking around that website / service to see if I could find more images, to my surprise I found several accounts and I've imported quite a lot of images that aren't found anywhere else on the web. The main issue with Meta's Facebook is actually the way the website processes images, it strips it of all metadata for downloaders (this is likely to protect the privacy of the uploaders) and then creates a version of the file that is much smaller. This means that if you upload a large detailed picture there and re-download it you'll get a small bad quality version. Now, Bùi Quang Tuấn is actually quite useful for a lot of files and I've been importing from his for about almost a year, though I must admit that focusing on him has delayed other projects as I was projected to be done with his 2020 uploads in December 2022 but only finished yesterday. Bùi Quang Tuấn rarely attributes his uploads, but reverse image searching some documents made me find out that the ones he doesn't get from Gallica are often not found anywhere else, but I didn't contact him yet to help me with anything because I don't want him to think that "Wikipedia is STEALING HIS images" as had already happened to some people I asked for help.
Furthermore, feel free to nominate them for deletion, or perhaps better just overwrite them (especially if it's a better quality version with the same file type), I'll see the deletion notices on my talk page when you get there. 🙂
I saw you import from that book last year, but I honestly assumed that you were already done, but I guess that you, like me, probably just adopt too many projects. 😅😅😅
One thing that also happens is auction sites upload images, they sell them, keep the images around for a few months and then delete them because the Auction is over, some accounts at the Meta's Facebook preserve such images and I've been trying to save as many as I can from eBay and periodically check for more. There's an old saying which claims "everything you put on the internet stays on the internet forever", unfortunately this isn't true and a lot of these images require us to actively import them to a website which has more longevity like the Wikimedia Commons to preserve them. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Also, regarding the Internet Archive, we used to have a user called "Fæ" who wanted to import all public domain books from that website after a lawsuit against them happened during the SARS-Coronavirus-2 Pandemic, but then at one point user "Fæ" just retired and nobody has really picked up importing the libraries worth of content from the Internet Archive, such a shame. ☹️☹️☹️ — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:56, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I can't agree more. I always start multiple projects and then get halfway through to something else that is even more interesting.
I also feel the same way about auction sites. A lot of precious content is temporarily available online and then disappear from the Internet. It scares me when I think of how much of the content I've struggled to find has already disappeared from the internet 😂😂😂. 源義信 (talk) 07:08, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
源義信, Yeah, exactly. This is why I'm really grateful that you're around because I felt like I was the only one actively trying to preserve them until I saw you. Hopefully our work will inspire others to come here and do the same. Thank you for all your hard work in preserving history. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


I mostly started to check out Meta's Facebook because I really want to finish that list of Nguyễn Dynasty seals from the province to Emperor levels, a lot of people actually own old Nguyễn Dynasty documents without knowing the content of them or what they say. I have downloaded 2 (two) books 📚 from the internet which contain a lot of prints of Nguyễn Dynasty seals, but I haven't found the time yet to cover them, I've estimated that there around a hundred (100) imperial seals, every ministry employed like a hundred people, from Wikipedia: "The Six Boards were established in 1802 after Gia Long's coronation, however they were not fully operational until 1830.[4] Each board had a president (Thượng thư, 尚書), supported by two vice-presidents (Tham tri, 參知). In 1826 emperor Minh Mạng added two vice-minister into each board (Thị lang, 侍郎). By the mid-1840s, the six ministries comprised almost 100 people, included secretaries serving on their boards.[5] In 1907, emperor Duy Tân founded the Ministry of Education to take over a number of functions of the Board of Rites. Cao Xuân Dục was chosen to be its first minister.[6]" (Source). This means that to cover every major staff is also around 120 (one-hundred and twenty), with there being "Tính đến cuối thế kỷ 19, Việt Nam có 98 phủ bao gồm 342 huyện và châu.", But around 31 (thirty-one) provinces and each province having a staff of 4 (four) province level mandarins as the staff of a Tuan Phu and half of that in Tong-Doc's, meaning that there are around (5×31+06=) 161 (one-hundred-and-sixty-one) seals for the Minh Mạng period and give or take 40 (forty) or so more for provincial re-organisations later, and of course military staff and I'd guess around a hundred or more for the Gia Long period putting the total at an estimated 600~800 seals of the Nguyễn Dynasty that fit this criteria (as the Gia Long period had a completely different system I'd say that it's closer to the high estimate than the low estimate). According to a report from the imperial government of the Nguyễn Dynasty in 1941 they employed around 4000 Ly-Truong in Annam and likely a similar number in Tonkin, this is why I prefer to set a hard limit at the province level.

I've covered the Censorate, I think basically every government agency, every post-1831 Reforms office in the mandarinate, and most Tong-Doc's. I'm still missing a list of Tuan-Phu as I've been unable to find one, but I've been working on the "Seals of the Nguyễn Dynasty" article for a few years now and after basically completely mapping out the imperial government of the Nguyễn Dynasty I can say that I'm 80% (eighty percent) done with non-military seals, and barely scratched the surface of military seals and imperial seals. The worst part is finding and adding the images, after gathering the information it becomes a long quest and I have yet to actually find a good consistent source for documents that can help, the Vietnamese National Archives essentially just release images whenever they want and most online discussions are about Sắc phong with people rarely collecting other types of documents.

I started with seals to map out the Nguyễn Dynasty government and then tried mapping out the Nguyễn Dynasty government to discover more seals and then find more seals to map out the government, Etc., Etc., Etc. It's kind of funny how that worked, but I'm not going to scream "victory!" until I've actually launched all those Wikipedia articles and find that I have nothing else to write about. 😅😅😅 --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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