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Zhurong (Chinese: 祝融; pinyin: Zhùróng) is China's first Mars rover, which formed part of the Chinese Tianwen 1 mission to Mars. It landed on May 14, 2021, to make China the second country to successfully soft land on Mars and establish communications from the Martian surface, after the United States. Zhurong was successfully deployed on 22 May 2021, 02:40 UTC

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Hanoi during the 1910's in colour

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An early colour photograph made by Léon Busy (1874-1951) of Hanoi during the 1910's depicting the daily lives of various people of different social classes.

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--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:05, 18 August 2021 (UTC) .

Về cái gọi "cờ thành-thái" 1890

  • Cờ vàng ba sọc đỏ chỉ mới được chế tác năm 1948, dựa theo quốc kì Cộng-hòa Nam Kỳ. Thông tin "cờ Thành Thái" là do đảng Việt Tân phịa năm 1982, đã được chứng minh năm 2011. Chỉ có bọn ngu sống ở Hà Lan không sõi tiếng việt mới tin. Biết thì dựa cột người ta dạy cho mà nghe, sinh sau đẻ muộn đừng trứng khôn hơn vịt. Đi liếm láp ba cái thông tin rởm trên mạng rồi trét cứt vào lịch sử thì dân Việt Nam chúng tao không khiến nhé, đu càng máy bay ạ. Một lần nữa, mày lại tự chứng minh, con người mày kinh tởm tới mức chính mày cũng không nhận thức được mày tởm lợm đến mức nào. Bọn tao ỉa ra thông tin giả từ năm 2007 mà giờ mày vẫn hăng hái nuốt rồi khen ngon thì tụi tao vỗ tay hoan hô, con ạ. Tới 80% thông tin về lịch sử Việt Nam mày đưa lên wiki đều do bên tao luộc hết, con ơi. Cứ đớp từ từ kẻo nghẹn ! Ha-ha. Cứ ôm khư khư lấy, càng thế tụi tao càng dễ xỏ mũi lũ ngu như mày. Tự pha thuốc độc tự uống nhé, bọn tao đéo cản đâu ! Khôn lắm cái đồ ngu ạ. (27.67.141.255 (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC))

Về thông tin "cờ Thành-Thái 1890"

  • Cờ vàng ba sọc đỏ của dân tộc Việt Nam chúng tôi xuất hiện sớm nhất là năm 1948, do cụ Lê Văn Đệ dựa theo mẫu Nam Kỳ Cộng Hòa Quốc Kì chế ra. Thông tin "vua Thành Thái là tác giả cờ vàng ba sọc đỏ" là do hai học giả thuộc đảng Việt Tân ngụy tạo năm 1982 để củng cố uy tín trong phong trào chống Cộng, và đảng Việt Tân đã thừa nhận từ đầu thập niên 2000. Việc nhét thông tin này vào wiki-en do một kẻ ngu xuẩn vắt mũi chưa sạch sinh ở Hà Lan không biết gì về văn hiến Việt Nam, cho nên người Việt Nam chúng tôi yêu cầu phía wiki-en tôn trọng văn hiến và lịch sử Việt Nam, nếu không, chúng tôi sẽ tiến hành phá sập trang wiki. Thân ái ! (27.67.141.255 (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC))

Claims made by Musée Annam, as usual without sources, so will have to investigate myself. The inability to properly add sources by this user comes off as either gross incompetence or, at best, severe negligence. Copying here to investigate any validity to these claims. While I have always suspected that the Thành Thái flag was fake, this uncivilised person made a claim that it is verified as such, however, (as usual) failed to actually list their sources. Especially since they were the persom that originally added the flag to article in a galaxy brain move. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 00:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

War comparisons chart

Make a war comparisons chart for the United States of America 🇺🇸.

  • Korean War - 3 years, 1 month and 2 days - Total civilian deaths: 2–3 million (est.)[47][48]. - South Koreans: 990,968 total casualties[20]. - North Koreans: 1,550,000 total casualties (est.)[20].
  • Vietnam War - 19 years, 5 months, 4 weeks and 1 day - Vietnamese civilian dead: 627,000–2,000,000[30]:450–3[55][56] - Vietnamese total dead: 966,000[29]–3,010,000[56] - Cambodian Civil War dead: 275,000–310,000[57][58][59] - Laotian Civil War dead: 20,000–62,000[56] - Non-Indochinese military dead: 65,494 - Total dead: 1,326,494–3,447,494.
  • Afghanistan War - 19 years, 10 months, 1 week and 4 days -

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thành Thái flag is fake

Please see this article, the story was invented by a member of the Việt Tân and later repeated by Worldstatesmen and then quoted in a doctoral thesis of an American (South Vietnam-born) student at the University of California. There exist no primary sources to back up the claim that it was ever used before 1948 and the flag is likely based on the flag of the Autonomous Republic of Cochinchina (created in 1946) and not on any Nguyễn Dynasty flag. In order to prevent the further spread of fake news I suggest re-writing the section to debunk the claims rather than removing it, so no false information about it would spread any further. --Donald Trung (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

In fact, the origin of the flag online is Worldstatesmen who in an e-mail sent at "Sent: Friday, 30 May 2014 6:53 AM - To: Tuan Pham - Subject: RE: Flags of Vietnam" noted: "Greetings Mr. Pham, Thank you for visiting my website. There have been many questions about the Flags of Vietnam listed on my site. There is much confusion and contradictory information about early flags of Vietnam. However, I do not have detailed record on every national flag on my. I think it is fair to say that the flag commonly associated with South Vietnam 1948-76 was in use prior by the Vietnamese." This assertion is actually made without any evidence, just his own assumptions. Cahoon is usually a reliable source and he is intelligent and usually researches topics well but this is quite sloppy. "I do think it is an interesting looking flag, that sadly has taken on all the bad feelings of the east vs. west and communist vs. capitalist struggles, though this flag pre-dates both. Even the 1945 “Que Ly” flag is clearly and attempt to “remake” a version of the earlier 1890 flag." The thing about the Que Ly Flag is that it most likely did not look like how it is usually depicted, this might have been done so to spread the legitimacy of the South Vietnamese flag to somehow make it "seem older" than the flag of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

He was quoted in a University text about the flag: "I assume you are contacting because the authors of this document said to do so: http://www.dienhanhvanhoaquocte.org/chao/files/The%20National%20Flag%20of%20VN.pdf I wish they would remove that line as I do not have any extensive collections on Vietnamese flags." But then goes to admit that he is a bad source himself, he admits that he probably shouldn't be listed as a source there. "However, the authors do note that – “Emperor Thanh Thai was able to understand and sympathize with the people’s discontent. Consequently, not only did he refuse to satisfy the demands of the dominating government, but also utilized many honest and virtuous talents like Ngo Dinh Kha and Nguyen Huu Bai, with the hope of restoring and reforming the country. In 1890, the Emperor passed a decree, changing the flag with Chinese characters to a new flag. The yellow flag with three red stripes was created and used for the first time as the national flag.”" It is Ben Cahoon that asserted this myth in English, usually Ben Cahoon is a trustworthy source for a lot of information but this e-mail shows a number of flaws.

Cahoon goes on to state that the supposed origin of the flag was kept a secret to protect the Thành Thái Emperor at: "AND “The news that the Yellow Flag was drawn by the artist Le Van De, without mentioning the existence of this flag 50 years earlier was intentional. It was to protect the well being of Emperor Thanh Thai. For this reason, the fact that Chief of State Bao Dai chose the Yellow Flag of the French resistance era as the national flag for the new regime was a brilliant decision, in accordance with just causes." The claim about the Que Ly Flag is also very likely false, as there is evidence that the stripes never touched the sides of the flag. These claims are perpetuated at the flag at the "Empire of Vietnam" article. Later on he lists the adoption date at 1955 at: "In 1955, Premier Ngo Đình Diệm called for a people resolution to establish the First Republic of Vietnam. Respecting the heroic anti-French mission of the Yellow Flag, the new congress continued to used the Yellow Flag as the National Flag. The 1963 coup-d’etat replaced the First Republic regime with the Second Republic of Vietnam, but the Yellow Flag remained as the National Flag until the South was invaded by the North in 1975.”" But this makes no sense as the flag had already been adopted by the Provisional Central Government of Vietnam and the State of Vietnam prior.

Cahoon ends his e-mail to Phạm Quang Tuấn with the admission that he basically didn't consult any primary sources: "I hope more research will be done on this topic by Vietnamese scholars, who most likely will need access to materials controlled by the current national government and possibly some in Bibliothèque nationale de France (French National Library). Best wishes for your research, Sincerely, Ben Cahoon - Editor www.worldstatesmen.org and twitter.com/WorldStatesmen" This immediately throws out the credibility of the origin of most reports about the flag dating to the Thành Thái period as they were mostly based on a biased source's biased source. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 08:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC) .

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"LES JEUX DU CIRQUE EN ANNAM Combat d’un tigre et d’un éléphant S. M. Thanh-Thai, roi d’Annam, celui que ses sujets appellent l’Empereur du Sud, est, dit-on, un sportsman passionné. Chauffeur émérite, cavalier infatigable, constructeur de navires, il a également d’importantes écuries de courses. Mais tout cela ne lui suffit pas; il faut des sensations plus fortes à ce tempérament royal. Vous me direz que la politique devrait suffire à les lui donner. Mais la politique, le souverain annamite s’en moque comme de sa première bicyclette. C’est affaire à sa bonne protectrice la France de s’occuper de l’avenir de son peuple. Pour lui, il préfère infiniment s’adonner aux jeux du cirque, tout comme son jeune «cousin» le roi d’Espagne. Nos lecteurs n’ont. pas oublié le fameux combat du tigre et du taureau qui eut lieu récemment à Saint-Sébastien et dont le Supplément illustré du Petit’ Journal leur a donné une si émouvante reproduction. C’est un spectacle du même genre que le roi d’Annam a offert à la population européenne de Hué. Seulement, cette fois, l’adversaire du tigre était un éléphant. Au demeurant, ni l’un ni l’autre des combattants n’était digne de pitié. Le tigre, capturé par les chasseurs du roi, avait sur la conscience quelque existences d’indigènes. Quant à l’éléphant, c’était une femelle venant de Quang-Ngai où elle avait tué son cornac et épautré quelque peu trois autres Annamites. Les adversaires promettaient. Ils tinrent, cependant, moins qu’on ne l’espérait, à cause d’une répétition que S. M. avait voulu s’offrir, et dont les animaux sortirent, l’un et l’autre, singulièrement affaiblis. Il fallut, comme à Saint-Sébastien, les exciter pour les forcer à en venir aux prises. Le tigre, enfin, sauta sur l’éléphant, qui lui prit le corps en travers avec la trompe et le serra à lui briser les côtes. Se dégageant, le tigre essaya de grimper sur la jambe gauche de derrière de son adversaire. Celui-ci, que la colère à la fin gagnait, lui envoya un formidable coup de pied, puis attendit. Le tigre se coucha au pied du mur et n’en bougea plus. Il était mort.  Le combat n’avait duré que quelques minutes. Ainsi, à Hué comme en Espagne, c’est le félin qui fut vaincu. La terreur respectueuse des Annamites pour celui qu’ils appellent « le seigneur Tigre » va probablement subir de ce fait une rude atteinte."

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC) .

My revolution on Wikimedia isn’t going too well

A stupid Donald Trung is stopping my revolution of the Removers of Useless Files and Categories! And I thought I was getting powerful…—--Capitalization Error (talk) 16:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Flags Of The World website - Empire of Vietnam

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC) .

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Source links. LINK 🔗.

https://static.thuisbezorgd.nl/images/restaurants/nl/5R00O1N/logo_465x320.png --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC) .

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Attempt to re-construct this Republican Guard flag

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Incorporate.

--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Letter by Phạm Văn Đồng (1958)

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Công hàm năm 1958 của Thủ tướng Phạm Văn Đồng

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The official North Vietnamese recognition of the People's Republic of China on China's 12-nautical-mile territorial waters (4 September 1958) signed by Phạm Văn Đồng and Chu Ân Lai.

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--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC) .

Post-cash coins Nguyễn Dynasty expansions

--Donald Trung (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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Về cái gọi "cờ thành-thái" 1890

  • Cờ vàng ba sọc đỏ chỉ mới được chế tác năm 1948, dựa theo quốc kì Cộng-hòa Nam Kỳ. Thông tin "cờ Thành Thái" là do đảng Việt Tân phịa năm 1982, đã được chứng minh năm 2011. Chỉ có bọn ngu sống ở Hà Lan không sõi tiếng việt mới tin. Biết thì dựa cột người ta dạy cho mà nghe, sinh sau đẻ muộn đừng trứng khôn hơn vịt. Đi liếm láp ba cái thông tin rởm trên mạng rồi trét cứt vào lịch sử thì dân Việt Nam chúng tao không khiến nhé, đu càng máy bay ạ. Một lần nữa, mày lại tự chứng minh, con người mày kinh tởm tới mức chính mày cũng không nhận thức được mày tởm lợm đến mức nào. Bọn tao ỉa ra thông tin giả từ năm 2007 mà giờ mày vẫn hăng hái nuốt rồi khen ngon thì tụi tao vỗ tay hoan hô, con ạ. Tới 80% thông tin về lịch sử Việt Nam mày đưa lên wiki đều do bên tao luộc hết, con ơi. Cứ đớp từ từ kẻo nghẹn ! Ha-ha. Cứ ôm khư khư lấy, càng thế tụi tao càng dễ xỏ mũi lũ ngu như mày. Tự pha thuốc độc tự uống nhé, bọn tao đéo cản đâu ! Khôn lắm cái đồ ngu ạ. (27.67.141.255 (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC))
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