User talk:Ckfasdf

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Ckfasdf!

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Please do not remove deletion requests

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Please do not remove deletion request tags from images before an administrator has closed the debate. If you do not agree that the image should be deleted, you can express your opinion on the deletion request page. You can find this page via a link in the deletion request tag or at Commons:Deletion requests. Thank you.

File:Panglima TNI Gatot Nurmantyo (Foto Puspen).jpg--Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

There's theorically on the deletion page a template named "Challenge speedy deletion" you must click in such a case. You are free too to explain on the deletion request why this file must be kept. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

couldn't find "challenge speedy deletion" before. Anyway I have put comment on deletion request. Thanks. Ckfasdf (talk) 13:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

File:Idjon Djanbi.jpg

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Patrick Rogel (talk) 12:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I apologize, but please do not take sides!

I am sorry for what I have done, it is true that I got the picture from Trend Asia.org. But I got it from Instagram, not twitter heheheheh. I apologize to you but please do not take sides specifically for the Indonesian govt then and take to Wikipedia’s policy of a Neutral Point of View. The new criminal code have been criticized by as far as the United Nations and European Union so it is still controversial. Eustatius Strijder (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Eustatius Strijder: Nobody disputing that new criminal code is controversial. However, please remember that you're in Commons now, please follow its policy. Some of Commons policy is different than English Wikipedia. Ckfasdf (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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From what I understand there aren't regional flags in Indonesia. So can you provide a source that can actually be accessed instead the title of document that isn't even available online? I know there's a regulation about "regional symbols" but flags aren't "symbols" and from what I can find there's no legitimate source for the flag of North Kalimantan anyway. Adamant1 (talk) 09:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: You clearly do not understand and have not even bothered to look up the relevant regulations. Government Regulation No. 77 of 2007 explicitly states that regional symbols include coats of arms/emblems and flags. As a follow-up to this government regulation, each region can issue its own regulation regarding their regional symbols. In the case of North Kalimantan, this is outlined in Peraturan Daerah Provinsi Kalimantan Utara Nomor 3 Tahun 2021 (Regional Regulation of North Kalimantan Province No. 3 Year 2021). The flag of North Kalimantan is specifically mentioned in Annex II of that regulation. This makes both the coat of arms and the flag part of the public domain, as they are mentioned in a regulation, and Article 42 of Indonesian Copyright Law states that anything derived from regulations is non-copyrightable. Other regions have similar regulations that govern their coats of arms and flags as well, disproving your claim that regional flags in Indonesia are fictional. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I asked for an official source. Not a PDF file on some random Google drive that anyone could have created. That PDF looks super fake. Anyone add a "flag" to document and then upload it their Google drive. Why isn't an official source for it and why I can't find any images of the "flag" on Google except for on user generated sites? Do they not have official websites with the symbol? --Adamant1 (talk) 10:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Since it is a regulation, there are actually plenty of links available on the internet that can lead to it. For example, the State Auditor of Indonesia also compiles regulations, and regional regulation of North Kalimantan can be found here: https://peraturan.bpk.go.id/Details/187297/perda-prov-kalimantan-utara-no-3-tahun-2021 .Ckfasdf (talk) 10:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Yet if I follow your link there's no image of the "flag", symbol it's supposedly based on, or anything related to it. I asked for a source of the flag, not a page of text about for some regulation. I'm sure you get the difference. Just because state flags exist in the United States doesn't mean I can upload an image of a duck walking on some grass and say it's the flag of California. That's not how this works. And things need to be sourced to actual places URLs that contain the image. Not something just talking about how it's legal for local governments in Indonesia to symbols or whatever. BTW, I really don't appreciate how you edited my original comment in the DR. Especially since most of your notes are nonsense and don't prove anything. Please don't do that again. It just makes DRs impossible to read or follow when users edit each other's comments like that. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Adamant1: Yet if I follow your link there's no image of the "flag", symbol it's supposedly based on, or anything related to it
There’s a 'Preview' and 'Download' button on that link. You can simply click those buttons and see the regulation for yourself. Another link where the regulation can be found is on the North Kalimantan government website, which links to the Google Drive document mentioned earlier.

I asked for a source of the flag, not a page of text about for some regulation.
When something, such as a flag or any other item, is described as "official" because it originates from official documents, it means that the source has been formally recognized or issued by a legitimate authority. The document has undergone a legal or regulated process to establish its authenticity and authority. If you have another definition of what makes something "official," please let me know. As for your additional question, what makes you think official flags are usually registered by the Indonesian Vexillology and Heraldry Association (IVHA)?

Just because state flags exist in the United States doesn't mean I can upload an image of a duck walking on some grass and say it's the flag of California
Actually, you could do that IF the government of California decided to change the flag to an image of a duck walking on some grass. The current California flag is official because California Government Code § 420: "The Bear Flag is the State Flag of California."

And things need to be sourced to actual places URLs that contain the image.
According to Template:Information, the only requirement is for it to be referenced; a URL is not necessarily needed. All flags are based on coat of arms, which are in the public domain, hence there is no copyright violation.

Not something just talking about how it's legal for local governments in Indonesia to symbols or whatever.
We are discussing Indonesian regional symbols here, so it's natural that Indonesian copyright law applies in this context, as all Indonesian regional symbols are regulated by specific laws. According to Indonesian law, anything derived from regulations, laws, or acts is explicitly non-copyrightable. Ckfasdf (talk) 13:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)