User talk:Brian de Ford
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[edit]Should go in the parent category of images rather than the images themselves. This is because the category exists to express the commonality between images. It also doesn't clog up the relevant monument categories with duplicate entries for which there is already a category listed. Thanks. Rodhullandemu (talk) 19:48, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
- Got it. Now you should leave a note on the talk pages of everybody in the world, Wikimedia user or not, telling them never to use a search engine to look for pictures on Wikimedia, otherwise they might end up directly on the page of the image itself rather than the category page and not realize they're looking at the image of a listed building. That is so much better than attaching the information to the image itself. It makes it far more usable doing it your way. I'm glad you corrected me. We'd both better hope somebody doesn't come up with some sort of templating mechanism to propagate the category page info down to the individual images or that would allow people who found the image via a search engine to see information they shouldn't. --Brian de Ford (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your belated reply. Hope you enjoyed the break. However people get to an image, they should be able to see that it is categorised, and a little knowledge of how categories work here will tell them that general information is located in the category, because that's what they're for. We don't blame anyone for not knowing stuff, but we notify people in good faith if they would benefit from knowing something they don't already know; and if you think I should be notified of your response, you should {{Replyto|Rodhullandemu}}, otherwise I might miss it. Fortunately I have this page watchlisted, but I don't watch everybody. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Rodhullandemu: And there was me thinking this project was about making it easy for ordinary people to comprehend. I now understand that it only need be comprehensible to wikiwizards. Great UX/UI design there. For very small values of "user." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian de Ford (talk • contribs)
- Well, sorry, but I didn't design the UI. Commons is a library of freely-available images to anyone who wants them, and in the same way as a library operates, we would hope that anyone who can learn how to find something in a library could also find what they want here, and more easily, because we have a search engine, primitive though it may be. Our category system is the principal way of navigating between related topics, and it seems to work for the vast majority of users, wikiwizards or not, and it does so by expressing the commonality between images at the appropriate level of granularity. I don't see it changing any time soon. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Rodhullandemu: And there was me thinking this project was about making it easy for ordinary people to comprehend. I now understand that it only need be comprehensible to wikiwizards. Great UX/UI design there. For very small values of "user." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian de Ford (talk • contribs)
- Thanks for your belated reply. Hope you enjoyed the break. However people get to an image, they should be able to see that it is categorised, and a little knowledge of how categories work here will tell them that general information is located in the category, because that's what they're for. We don't blame anyone for not knowing stuff, but we notify people in good faith if they would benefit from knowing something they don't already know; and if you think I should be notified of your response, you should {{Replyto|Rodhullandemu}}, otherwise I might miss it. Fortunately I have this page watchlisted, but I don't watch everybody. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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