User talk:Bdcousineau/Archives 2

file page format, category format idea, categories and a question

File page please see File:Vice President and Romanian President Ceausescu (Background material only) (Gerald Ford Library) (002301000) .pdf to see how I monkeyed with it at the bottom. I took the summary info from a random NARA file File:Navajo workers building road through Tohatchi Canyon. Southern Navajo Agency, 1933 - NARA - 298587.tif and used/replaced what I could.

Record ID: We will still need something similar to

	This media is available in the holdings of the National Archives and Records Administration, cataloged under the National Archives Identifier (NAID) missing. This tag does not indicate the copyright status of the attached work. A normal copyright tag is still required. See Commons:Licensing.

, but replacing all references to NARA with Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. The line: This media is available in the holdings of the National Archives and Records Administration, cataloged under the ARC Identifier (National Archives Identifier) 194255 can be replaced with This media is available in the holdings of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Underneath that template, the words: Record group: and Series: can just be deleted, so it will in the future have the Title of the Collection, the Box Title and the Box Number. I tried to monkey with that too, only made a mess!

Source: link to Wikipedia entry on the Ford Library

Other Versions: I kinda like this, is it possible to replace NARA with Ford Library.

Category Format idea I also made something else, see User:Bdcousineau/Sandbox2. I wonder if this would be okay on the category page for this group of docs. I can make one like this for each group. It gives a little context. I copied the format from something User:Dominic did for NARA, that generated quite the controversy, see: Commons:Deletion requests/Record Group 233/Petitions and Memorials, compiled 1813 - 1968 (Judiciary). I've submitted User:Bdcousineau/Sandbox2 to User:Jameslwoodward for his thoughts. It's sticky - we do need some context for collections of documents but I agree that Dominic's "Gallery" may have not been the best idea. Please see User:Jameslwoodward for his comments to me.

Categories for upcoming uploads: User:Michael Barera please weigh in here and elsewhere!! I'm still stupidly confused by the concepts of how categories nest - I'll have to draw a picture someday - but for this first collection (Vice presidential papers)how bout these broad categories:

US Vice Presidents

Foreign Leaders

and then for these and all the papers from the Library, :

Gerald Ford (at some point Wikimedians forgot his middle initial, so we need to take that into account in the cats)

Documents at the G R F Presidential Library

Presidential Papers

finally Question User:Dominic has placed several placeholder categories in Category:Images from the National Archives and Records Administration such as Category:US National Archives Collection GRF-0312: National Security Council Meetings Files (Ford Administration), 08/1974 - 11/1976. Obviously we will be uploading these, most likely before he does. Do we just do a redirect from that page to the one we will do?

that's all for today. Bdcousineau (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think a gallery page would be of much use...there's already a gallery at the category page, and it's text documents...so it's not particularly suited for a gallery layout(zooming out leaves almost no image detail). Instead, I'd suggest a table/list layout:

John Marsh File of Vice Presidential Meetings with Foreign and Diplomatic Officials

Document	Description	Date	Source
Vice President and Romanian President Ceausescu	Please fill in (Background material only)	5 December 1973	[1]
Source:Room Box Place link

You can see various lists/tables at w:Wikipedia:Featured lists and w:Help:Table. For the tag, you want something like this?

 

This media is available in the holdings of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. The media is available online at: Collection Finding Aid DirectPDF (1.4 MB) Record group: Gerald R. Ford Vice Presidential Papers, 1973-74 Series: John Marsh File of Vice Presidential Meetings with Foreign and Diplomatic Officials Box 65 This tag does not indicate the copyright status of the attached work. A normal copyright tag is still required. See Commons:Licensing.

The {{Pdflink}} is better on the wiki w:Template:PDFlink...will have to fix commons one. (The above example isn't a template yet, just code on this page). I'll let Michael comment on the categories...they're sort of nested tags (a tag with a tag=P). Gerald Ford pages don't have an R. because the enwiki page uses w:Gerald Ford...he was president so he get's the top page (fewer letters). I will post parsed versions of the other pages sometime this week along with source. GL Michael on your PEP internship=D.Smallman12q (talk) 01:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I was really unclear apparently. I DON'T think a gallery page is useful for documents. At all. But what about something like the new User:Bdcousineau/Sandbox2. I love the table idea, just delete the thumbnail from the table. These will be long lists of files. What do you think about also NOT having a 'description' column, and having the collapsible content-blocks instead. I would have to write a description for each file otherwise right? since we have no database to get the description from. I'm planning to retire in 12 years, that would take me, Michael and his grandkids to complete. See continuing discussion on User:Jameslwoodward.

yes, I love that tag. Except delete the words Record Group and Series for now please. I can check next week if/what the librarians want that in there. I'll show it at the show-n-tell. That won't hold you up, will it?

"The {{Pdflink}} is better on the wiki w:Template:PDFlink...will have to fix commons one." Have no idea what that means. Seriously! hope it wasn't important. I clicked the links, still mysterious.

There were two FB postings and one on tmblr of media I uploaded to Commons and then a few shares from there. This activity will lead to an interesting paper, I think!

Break 1

I can delete "Record Group" and "Series", but what should be there instead...these can always be modified later. The pdflink is a note to myself to improve the template...it refers to the template that makes this: DirectPDF (1.4 MB). A simple table with filename, date, and source is fine. The description field wasn't meant for you per se, but rather for interested wikipedians...though its probably best to leave it out for now. I've put a simple outline at User:Bdcousineau/Sandbox2#Topic. I would advise against using collapsed boxes...no ones going to open them=P. The table can be sorted by date/name by clicking the little arrows next to the column header name. The content note could be templated into something more graphical. I don't think you need the extension .pdf in the document name for the list. The tables will be autocreated...but the rest (content note, intro, box note) won't be. You still need to finalize the naming...should there be an id #(the filename of the pdf) in the uploaded name?Smallman12q (talk) 22:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I prefer the version w/out the collapsed boxes too, but being mindful that commons is supposed to be about images and not words, I suspect that this may be an issue. I'll pass this version along to User:Jameslwoodward and wait for his response since he and User:Dominic have discussed this.

I'm relieved that I won't have to create descriptions for each file! The content note, into and box note will be easy enuf to lift off the website.

As for that long id# you've asked about, I'll check on that. as far as I know that's not any # used for anything but keeping track of the scan job.

I think the name from the parsed file is be fine, since contextual info is found elsewhere on the page, not necessarily in the file name. So Vice President and Romanian President ... And Vice President and Niki Minaj and Vice President and Justin Beiber and so on. Is it easy enough to do one of these groups of docs and see how it turns out and then adjust? Bdcousineau (talk) 02:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Format

Generally, the idea is to get it right once and replicate (easier to fix one than many). So if I understand right:

• filename: <linktext><(outertext if any)>(<id>)(Gerald Ford Library).pdf

example:Vice President and Romanian President Ceausescu (Background material only)(002301000)(Gerald Ford Library).pdf

• description: <linktext>.<outertext if any>.Date.

The id will prevent name collisions (that is two things having the same name). If you don't want the id in there, let me know. Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library is abbreviated as Gerlad Ford Library (fewer letters)...let me know if you want different. I will create a custom {{NARA-image-full}} (or Michael can) for gerald-ford-library tmrw/weekend, post parsed versions, make the tables, and start the uploading. I'll follow the format of File:Vice President and Romanian President Ceausescu (Background material only) (Gerald Ford Library) (002301000) .pdf. Each file will be autocategorized by series. Also, please post the remaining zip files when you get a chance. Need to get started on upload=P.Smallman12q (talk) 23:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

How funny - am uploading as I write . Just got more completed.

you should be able to grab:

/Smallman12q10 WHPressReleases1617181920

/Smallman12q11 WHPressReleases2122232425

/Smallman12q12 WHPressReleases2627282930

/Smallman12q13 WHPressReleases3132333435

/Smallman12q3 Pressppechesbox12345 Pressppechesbox678910 Pressppechesbox1112131415

/Smallman12q7 WHPressReleases12345

/Smallman12q8 WHPressReleases678910

/Smallman12q9 WHPressReleases1112131415

the numbers after the title refer to box# - WHPressReleases has 1 - 35 boxes. Presspeechesbox has 1 - 15 boxes.

there is only one more group I'd like to upload, the bad news is I didn't have time to zip it up yet. I'll have to have some one in ANN ARbor do it for me.

let's go with what you said. Leave the id# in. I want to get started too. That's a lot for you to do for us in one weekend, I hope it's fun for you.

Each file will be autocategorized by series - do you need narrative name for them yet?

this is really exciting - I"ll have a lot for my show and tell. They will be terrified. Hopefully in a good way! Bdcousineau (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The files don't seem to be up. I've tried:

• http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/Download/Smallman12q10/WHPressReleases1617181920.zip
• http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/Download/Smallman12q11/WHPressReleases2122232425.zip

The directories seem to be there, http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/Download/Smallman12q10/ gives me a 403 (forbidden).

The autocategorized names can be modified later.Smallman12q (talk) 21:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

monday oct 15

ok, except for:

/download/smallman12q3/

presspeechesbox12345.zip

presspeechesbox678910.zip

presspeechesbox1112131415.zip

(but I think you said you captured these zips)

and - (this must be damaged, I've tried to upload it several times today. Check in a few hours to see if my last attempt worked.)

/download/smallman12q12/

WHPressReleasesBx2627282930.zip

I think everything else is available; here is a complete list of what should be zipped and uploaded. In zips 7 - 13 I am guilty of titling/spacing inconsistencies - some are plural others not - this list should be used for the correct titling - cut and paste these. Sorry, my fault.

/download/smallman12q1/

0023fordVPPapers.zip

0055WHRO.zip

0069USOfficeofNavalIntelligence.zip

0268Grand RapidsOral Histories

0303UofMLawSchoolStudentFile.zip

0312NSCMeetingMinutes.zip

/download/smallman12q2/

0331.zip

0358.zip

0394.zip

/download/smallman12q3/

presspeechesbox12345.zip

presspeechesbox678910.zip

presspeechesbox1112131415.zip

/download/smallman12q4/

0010.zip

/download/smallman12q5/

0314.zip

/download/smallman12q6/

WhiteHouseStateDinnerMenus.zip

/download/smallman12q7/

WHPressReleasesBx12345.zip

/download/smallman12q8/

WHPressReleaseBx678910.zip

/download/smallman12q9/

WHPressReleaseBx 1112131415.zip

/download/smallman12q10/

WHPressReleaseBx1617181920.zip

/download/smallman12q11/

whpressreleasebx2122232425.zip

/download/smallman12q12/

WHPressReleasesBx2627282930.zip

/download/smallman12q13/

WHPressReleaseBx3132333435.zip

I looked at the parsed files; many of these do not have Ford in the title (boxes 4 -11 in Commons:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum/Sources2 ).

Would it be easiest to insert Gerald Ford Papers: and then the file name? i. e. Gerald Ford Papers: Final Issues for Decision, Army Corps of Engineers. Box 1, 2, 3 are fine - Ford is in the title of each of those.

Will you be giving me these parsed versions to look at prior to uploading? I can then determine if we need to add Ford to any titles. I can see why a DATABASE makes this EASIER!!! Bdcousineau (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/Download/Smallman12qa/WHPRessReleaseBx2627282930.zip should be available to you now. This replaces /download/smallman12q12/WHPressReleasesBx2627282930.zip Bdcousineau (talk) 20:16, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully now you see why you and the other libraries which are digitizing should use a database...without one, you'll have this amorphous mass of digital material which will be challenging to sort through. If you had an organized db with everything nicely organized...it'd be much easier and we'd already be uploading.

I've updated Commons:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum/Sources2 with your suggestion. The linktext will be the filename. So it'll be <linktext>(<scanid>)(Gerald Ford Library).pdf for them. I will batch upload them (Sources2) tmrw so you'll have something to show on the 17th...I'm busy today. I'll grab the .zips today/tmrw. Essentially, for every batch, I'll post an xml file as I did for sources so you can tell me what you want for the title. Essentially, we're building a database this way... For files with less than 5 files, its easier to batch upload by hand, so I'll do those uploads. On a side note...that's a ton of press releases! Sorry this is taking so long, it's really just the fact the data isn't available the way it should be.Smallman12q (talk) 00:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Your plan seems good. Sounds like there might be a flow to this after all. I'm in no giant rush, and so am not bothered by how long this might be taking ... I am grateful that you are putting up with my mild computer skills, and live in fear that you'll get disgusted and break up with me/us! I hope it's not taking too long for you. really after this bunch there's only the daily diary, prolly as more pages than the press releases though.

I learned recently that had been no plans to even put these papers onto our website until two years ago - and we are ahead of most of the other libraries in the system, except the Kennedy which has oodles of $$ - that explains in part the lack of db.

I appreciate having something to show on the 17th, but they'll be bewildered by what we have so far, so if you can't get to sources2 no worries.

Am I allowed to create and give you a barnstar? I have a specific one in my head, all official and federal looking with eagles and such, called the dot gov barnstar - all our urls and emails end in .gov. I am unclear if barnstars are admin to admin tho. I'm gonna look around. Bdcousineau (talk) 01:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Hehe...anyone can give a barnstar and you're welcome to create and give barnstars. Officially, being an admin is "not a big deal". I'm not going anywhere...there's a saying in The Wikipedia Revolution that "On Wikipedia, it’s the good guys who will hunt you down." You can learn a little more about the history of the wiki watching How a ragtag band created Wikipedia and Why Wikipedians are Weird. Federal institutions are always very good at creating, maintaining, and archiving data...they just seem allergic to sharing it. It's nice to see you taking some initiative. Databases no longer cost the oodles of $$$$ they once did unless you're doing something fancy. In your case, some sort of simple cataloging software (it doesn't even have to be online...internal is fine) will suffice. Free databases and cataloging software also exist and are commercially used. With today's technologies, something usable could be written within a week by an intern. Something is better than nothing. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 02:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

About the categories for the Ford documents that are awaiting upload

It looks to me that all the documents that are waiting to be uploaded are PDF files, and (assuming that all of them are in English) the best "mainspace" category will be Category:PDF files in English. If they are special kinds of documents with corresponding categories on Commons, like menus or letters, they can also be categorized as such. They should also be categorized in the hidden category hierarchy that I've been working on for all the Ford images, but that shouldn't be a big deal considering how well you've done that sort of categorization with all the previous uploads. Also, your talk page is getting really long and a bit unwieldy, so I'm going to suggest that you begin archiving it, which is easily done with bot assistance. Here is the code I would recommend (but you're free to do as you like):

{{User:MiszaBot/config
|minthreadsleft = 1
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(31d)
|archive = User talk:Bdcousineau/Archives/%(year)d
}}

Just stick it at the top of your talk page and make sure that you link your archive (which will be at User talk:Bdcousineau/Archives/2012 for this year) to your main talk page so people can find the old threads if they need to. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 19:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in! Great idea on the archiving; will do that this week. Bdcousineau (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Upload

I've uploaded a box from sources2. You can see the files at Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Ford-Carter Debates File. Will upload more tmrw + tables. After uploading, the files should be used in the appropriate articles. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 02:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

OMG! how exciting! so what I will do is insert the context information at the head of each cat page. The tables will be great, since the first page of most of the docs is that copyright disclaimer...

so... do all those zip files go up all at once, or do I get to suggest which ones you do next? This is kinda contrary to the idea of a batch upload, but I'm getting some pressure from my boss to pick and choose the groups of docs as we go forward. Librarians move slowly - I'm a little more: Let's just GO! I need to honor their viewpoint. Were you imagining them all at once?

Thanks Bdcousineau (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by pick and choose? Is there a reason you don't want them all uploaded? The process will be I will post a parsed version, you'll say its fine (as with source2) and then I'll upload. I will go by webpage...as that's how its easiest to parse. I've placed a table at User:Bdcousineau/Sandbox3...if it's fine, I/you can move it where you want. The files in the table that aren't red have been uploaded, and you can see the categories above each table. The categories are based on the box caption of sources2. If you're confused by anything, let me know.Smallman12q (talk) 01:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this works for me. I can edit each box, and create the cat page as needed (with that extra text). This makes total sense to me. I'll deal with the "pick and choose" thing from my end. In essence, they want the sexier collections on wikimedia first. If you just put the files into tables like you've done, and then make a new sandbox # for each upload, I can pull out the ones they want finished first. Then I am not slowing down anything you are doing. My goal is to have everything uploaded too, that's really the point I thought.

in other news, I figured out a way to get a thumbs up on the internship for Micheal. There was concern about him mucking around in our network, I pointed out he could work from his own laptop, on materials already uploaded to the wiki space. That seems to be the key.

in still other news, I'm beginning to help another NARA agency on their fledgling wikimedia adventure. I'm hitting all the benchmarks I set for myself just a few months in -- how cool is that? Bdcousineau (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

That's good to hear. I'll put up the source files and tables this weekend. There was a slight bug in the uploads. Files can't have "/" in their name and it should give an error...but the commons cut out everything before "/" and let the upload go. I've filed a bug report: Bugzilla:41190. I've replaced the "/" with "-". The wrongly named files are currently in Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Budget Review Decision Papers and I'll fix them tmrw/weekend.

Hopefully the other NARA agency has a db. Would make everything 100x faster.Smallman12q (talk)

there is a database

ok, after my presentation, I was told there were some databases. The most useful one for us is the one for the White House Press Releases, it gives a description down to the item level. So please hold off on that bunch til I can get the database. They sent me a sample - of course I cannot open it on my computer. More tomorrow as I poke them again. Bdcousineau (talk) 20:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

That's good news! I'll hold off on the press releases for now.Smallman12q (talk) 01:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Follow up on Location infobox template

I just wanted to follow up on the discussion yesterday about the user generated images located in the Location Infoboxes: File:Ford_Library_1.JPG and File:Ford_ford_museum.jpg. If you guys have existing in-house images or images from the website that you would like to use in these templates, let us know. The current images can be replaced with something that is actually from the Ford Library. Adamkriesberg (talk) 00:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they are very particular! I'll upload one that the staffers will approve of and let you know here tomorrow. Bdcousineau (talk)|

Also the better logo is already in commons. Will direct it your way as well. Bdcousineau (talk) 01:33, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

for the institution tag of the Library File:Ford Library exterior.tif

for the templates, the correct logo File:Best Ford logo.tif

thanks to whoever does the switch-out. Bdcousineau (talk) 18:48, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The logo won't be switched out as the svg version at File:Official logo of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library.svg is better. Typically, svg is used where possible unless its lower quality because they can be infinitely scaled. The institution photo File:Ford Library exterior.tif isn't very good (better than the gloomy one before). The entrance is shadowy, thetext is at an awkward angle, the trees are leafless...its not very inviting. You don't have a better shot?Smallman12q (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I get the file quality of the above mentioned logo .svg might be better, (and that you are teaching me something about coding/complicated 'puter stuff) but as user:Adamkriesberg can attest, (he was eyewitness) there was a lengthy and persnickty discussion about the logo I chose missing the word Presidential. And a longer louder chat about the rainy day Ford Library image (not taken by staff, therefore not acceptable) (you seeing an unhappy theme yet?). The leafless image I put up today was the only one I could find on my 'puter taken by a bona-fide staff member. I will find a better one soonish - Monday being taken up with other duties.

I will find a Presidential logo that will make you happy, I swear! Sheesh! ;} Other than that the presentation to staff was a hit, thanks for asking. Except for the fact that many of them are suspicious and see themselves as the only authority on Ford, even I don't rate - forgot to include that ph.d in my life-plan! But by the end of today I had a ratings bounce and we are THIS CLOSE to officially inviting Michael for the internship. as long as he's not a felon, that is. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:19, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the logo at File:Official logo of the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library.svg so it virtually matches File:Best_Ford_logo.tif....so the .svg should be fine now. Glad to see your presentation went well. Good luck to Michael...I'm sure he'll be useful (interns are always useful=P). The phds and their fellow post-docs have traditionally contributed to the gold-bound tombs that sit deep in the archives or to Elsevier's profitable pay-walls. They're always welcome to give the wiki a try.Smallman12q (talk) 02:52, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, thanks. Again!

I can see it'll be time for me to creat cat pages soon as the upload moves forward. YES! This is the best birthday-month EVAR. Bdcousineau (talk) 23:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

And responded to Banaticus on his page. fingers x'd. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I've created a page for tracking media usage at User:Smallman12q/Tracking usage ( I'll expand the page this week) and do some uploads. Let me know when you get that press-release db. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 01:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

CAKE! I love cake! and my second graphic! also see below - new topic Bdcousineau (talk) 12:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

California wiki people

There are some people listed at meta:Wikimedia California. The Wikimedia Foundation is in San Francisco so they could probably connect you with someone in Cali. User:SarahStierch is listed as the contact for California for GLAM. Smallman12q (talk) 23:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks for that help. I contacted the user who seems to be in Riverside, hoping he'd be nice/intrigued enuf to visit In person with them once, at least to do a show-n-tell. Curious to see what happens. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Bdcousineau. You have new messages on another wiki at en:User talk:Banaticus#National Archives at Riverside, California. You may remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Woo-hoo, I extended the talkback template to make it possible to link to sister wikis (and it'll link to places like the Village Pump as well now). Also, I left a message for you on my user talk page, if I'm the person that you're talking about. If I'm not the person you're talking about, please disregard this message. :) Banaticus (talk) 06:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I responded to your post on my English Wikipedia user talk page. Also, I added a soft redirect on your English Wikipedia user talk page to this user talk page. Banaticus (talk) 03:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I responded again. Banaticus (talk) 02:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

tracking media usage

Adamkriesberg sent me [2] - now even longer than last week - that the Michigan Wikipedians have been working on for this project. Crap, I'm going to run of materials for them to use! Bdcousineau (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Once everything has the banner template that Smallman12q has created, you'll be able to use this link to see the usage of everything the Ford has contributed on all Wikimedia projects. Right now, it contains 245 images in total, 27 of which have been used in Wikipedia articles (26 in English Wikipedia and 1 in French Wikipedia, which was added by another user unrelated to Michigan Wikipedians). That gives the Ford an impressive 11% usage rate of all the images tagged so far: however, don't be discouraged if this drops as more images are tagged, as larger collections tend to have lower usage rates in my experience. Take, for instance, my own personal uploads, which currently number over 2,000 images with a usage rate of just over 7%. Also, you can copy the first URL (here it is raw: https://toolserver.org/~magnus/glamorous.php?doit=1&category=Media+contributed+by+the+Gerald+R.+Ford+Presidential+Library+and+Museum&use_globalusage=1&show_details=1) and use it whenever and wherever you want to keep track of image usage for Ford-contributed materials. Have fun! Michael Barera (talk) 16:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and happy birthday! I hope your special day is a good one! Michael Barera (talk) 16:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

monday oct 22

I've added the content, intro and tables to the following - Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Ford-Carter Debates File and Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Issue Decision Papers for the President. They are ready to be cat-ed, Michael, if you are out there and interested. Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Budget Review Decision Papers still seems to have bugs

Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: John Marsh File of Vice Presidential Meetings with Foreign and Diplomatic Officials is missing the files

are there any more out there for me to work on?

There is a challenge - some of these files have a first page that is a Ford Library copyright disclaimer. If you look at the thumbnails from any box, (like in the Media in category "Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Ford-Carter Debates File) you can see a great example. What's everyone opinion - is this off-putting? and is there a sneaky elegant way to NOT include this page on as the zips are parsed? Maybe an impossibility, I know. Maybe too late for these, and not for future uploads? NOT all of what I've zipped has this disclaimer, just, unfortunately, the ones we've started with. Bdcousineau (talk) 19:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The thumbnails are fine. You could easily remove the first page of a pdf file with a script. However, the second pages are often just stamps with time. Since its mostly text, it won't make much of a difference. I'm waiting to get Commons:Bots/Requests/Smallbot 5 approved before I continue...don't want drama from running 'unapproved task.' Files in Category:Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum series: Budget Review Decision Papers suffer from Bugzilla:41190 which cut out everything in the title before the last "/". I will move these manually probably.Smallman12q (talk) 22:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, good to know. I hadn't realized the bot request was inessence a stop sign. I'll amuse myself tomorrow by finding a better image of the Library. and thinking up categories for Michael to improve on.

As for that copyright disclaimer, perhaps we can decide later, when someone at the Library gets curious enough to ask to be shown what we're DOING! Be careful what you wish for, I know. Bdcousineau (talk) 02:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The request is more like a yield sign...but should be approved for the pdf portion within a few days.Smallman12q (talk) 23:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Wednesday October 24

lest you think I'm a slacker - I've uploaded more images to COM:GFPLM, changed out the image in the Library tag, and defended my clueless newbie status against well-meaning passers-by (see NARA at Riverside, CA on Banaticus).

BTW, why does the at-symbol get deleted from an email address?

I will have to justify what materials have been uploaded already (easy to do since it's about the presidential debate process, and we also did test batches) but the Library overlords want some semblance of control over upcoming uploads. I'm unclear about how the process actually works from your end, but could we possibly do the following in the next batch, once the road is clear again?

/download/smallman12q1/

0303uofmlawschoolstudentfile.zip

0312nscmeeting minutes.zip

/download/smallman12q3/ re-trying this upload to site - hopefully will work

presspeechesbox12345.zip

presspeechesbox678910.zip

presspeechesbox1112131415.zip

/download/smallman12q5/

0314.zip

/download/smallman12q6/

WhiteHouseStateDinnerMenus.zip

These are innocuous and popular topics. I'm open to a discussing different plan, if you have one. Bdcousineau (talk) 16:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I replaced the @ with at...it's for spam reduction. And while you may post your number and email, federal or not, it may get spam...we hate spam (especially on the wiki=P). I can go in that order...(the one you posted above from top to bottom). Should be able to resume uploading by the weekend.Smallman12q (talk) 22:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, now I know. Thanks! Bdcousineau (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

omg

I read that the NARA Wikipedian is out the door - that explains a lot!

I was bold and sent an email to his bosses offering my help to other NARA agencies as they get curious and want to start their own wiki-adventure. Happy Birthday to me INDEED! Bdcousineau (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure? The NARA wikipedian in residence is w:User:Dominic. He did a blog post on Sep 27. He's still listed at outreach:Wikipedian in Residence. If he was let go...that's unfortunate.Smallman12q (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Dominic. I spoke to him once. We have an internal thing like fb - he posted4 days ago that he was leaving...and leaving a lot of projects undone. Geez I hope I didn't mis-read it, now I 'll be agony til I can check tomorrow. Fed employees can't get fired after a year, maybe he found a better gig. Unless he was on a short contract. I still believe that the US Archivist is gung-ho about Wikipedia - it's only been a few months since he spoke at Wikimania. More research need, hopefully I did not make an idiot of myself. Bdcousineau (talk) 23:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, he is no longer at NARA. I went and checked. That is unfortunate for the agency as a whole. Bdcousineau (talk) 01:22, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

NARA wikipedian

Straight from the source in DC - we WILL get another Wikipedian-in-Residence, either Dominic or someone else. YAY!

While the success of our fledgling project was acknowledged, I was reminded sternly by the DC person about what I was allowed to upload, so I have to create another list, based on new info. You'll get that tomorrow am. We have two masters to please, it seems. Bdcousineau (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Well that's good to hear that there will be a wikipedian at NARA. Not sure about a new list...but okay.Smallman12q (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)