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Magnus of East Gothland

Hello! This is not the same man as the legitimate portrait of Duke Magnus handed down among his descendants since his death. The faces are similar but not identical. The clothing is similar. Such similarities in portraiture were not unusual and could help shorten sitting time. It may have been very difficult to get Magnus to sit at all. Best wishes! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello - the case is that there is NO Bona Fide portrait of Duke Magnus, whatsoever. The displayed portrait has NEVER been handed down by his descendants. From where did you get that faulty information? The only depiction of Duke Magnus is found on his sarcophagus - which also can be found in the National Archives biography:(the Dictionary of Swedish National Biography)

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sbl/Presentation.aspx?id=10145

As long as the portrait of Erik Sture remains in the different language versions as now, Wikipedia is disseminating untrue data in this matter.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amirshe (talk • contribs) 20:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

As long as you are overlooking the references I now have added to the file page, it will be difficult to discuss this with you constructively. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Found no "black and white portrait" on that link you posted on my talk page. Can we please discuss this on one page? Yours, where I started it? I have deleted this on my page because I don't want duplicated discussions. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

OK - we continue here. Did you mean these additions?

Hertig Magnus av Östergötland 1987 ISBN 9122011889, inside front cover
Dr. Ulf Sundberg 2004 in Kungliga släktband ISBN 9185057487 p. 34
Jacob Truedson Demitz in Centuries of Selfies ISBN 9789189179639 p. 118

I can contact Ulf Sundberg, if that would help? Let us try again with the NATIONALMUSEUM in Stockholm, you can also follow this link to come to the page I was trying to link you to:

http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&lang=sv

or try here:

https://www.nationalmuseum.se/ Then first go to the search button on the upper right In the white area which appears on next page, just write: Erik Sture, but don´t push the red button "Sök", push instead the text written "Sök i samlingarna" and you should find both the portraits I mentioned.

Best regards Amir Sherif--Amirshe (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Questions for you:

1. Would your contacting Dr Sundberg change his mind?
2. Do you think he'd be willing to listen to your pointers?
3. Are you, too, a Doctor of Philosophy specializing in Swedish history?
4. Do you think he'd print the image in his famous book if he wasn't certain?
5. Do you honestly not see that the two faces clearly show two different men?
6. If so, are you willing to take a closer and even more honest look?
7. Do you know that Nationalmuseum's identifications are not always correct?
8. Don't you think Dr. Sundberg knows that?
9. Can't you see "MAGNUS ... etc" painted on the black & white image?
10. Do you think Magnus's descendant who co-wrote the only biography of him (the 1987 book) and owns the original painting is a bluffing liar?
11. Would you like to dismiss all 3 references as hogwash?
12. Have you asked Nationalmuseum if they might be wrong in this case?
13. Do you ever admit it when you are wrong?

--SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

(a) Yes it would change his mind if he had the wrong information from the beginning. (b) No I am Doctor of Urology and Associate Professor (MD,PhD) at one of our Universities in Sweden and I am very proficient and meticulous in proof-reading and scientific conduct (c) It is the same person on both portraits (Erik Sture) and the painting is not in any private family collection, but is in custody of NATIONALMUSEUM (d) I will contact Ulf Sundberg and also Nationalmuseum (e) Even if I am not a descendent (as you mention as a matter of importance) to either Erik Sture or Duke Magnus, I am blood-related to BOTH of them, so any suspected misconduct relating to either of them is a question of honor to me personally (f) I have the book of Sundberg and you refer to page 34 (thirty four), but the portrait is found on page 17 (seventeen) (g) One institution that certainly is not hogwash, is NATIONALMUSEUM (h) I only admit when I am wrong, never when I am right

I will get back to you forthcoming, once I have collected more evidence.

Best regards Amir Sherif--Amirshe (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

14. Why do you not use indentation on talk pages like the rest of us? Rules do not apply to you?

How convenient for you that you skipped some of my questions! Numbering questions usually works, but not with you.

The two faces are obviously not of the same man. I've asked 5 people to look since I wrote last, without trying to influence them.

I really look forward to reading about your conversation with Dr Sundberg if he's willing to talk history with a medical man.

Shall I scan and email you page 17 ("Ordlista") and page 34 (the portrait) of his book, or perhaps you have a paperback version?

Do you know this man, whom you, albeit indirectly, are calling a liar and a bullshitter?

Are you and he cousins afflicted with adversity in the family?

Shall I scan and e-mail you the pages in his 1987 book with the portrait in color and its ownership?

--SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

You are trying to solve this matter in a very unconventional way, that is for sure. Well, intimidation does not work with me so you fail. Why Dr Sundberg wouldn´t want to talk to me would be astonishing, I have been in direct contact with a number of our Swedish historians the last ten years, and they all have a humble and interested approach to new questions and queries without bulldoozing their way through the crowd. I know who C von Warnstedt is, and the record (here) shows that I never debased myself to call him "...a liar and a bullshitter". It is you who are using that kind of vocabulary.

Once I have found my evidence with NATIONALMUSEUM, Dr Sundberg and other Bona Fide sources, I will present them to you.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amirshe (talk • contribs) 06:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC) Amir Sherif--Amirshe (talk) 06:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Why do you not indent on talk pages like the rest of us do, following talk page format policy?

C von Warnstedt on the inside front cover of his 1987 book which you say has false information about the portrait: "Bröstbild av hertig Magnus av Östergötland. Tidig 1600-talskopia som sedan 1700-talets andra halva nedärvts inom släkten von Warnstedts yngre gren. Porträttet ägs numera av släktens huvudman." - Looks to me like you are labeling Mr. von Warnstedt nothing less than a liar and bullshitter.

I am amazed how so many Swedish historians humble themselves in interest before your expert pointers. Do you do the same when they tell you what to think and do re: urology up there in Umeå?

So sorry if you find me nasty - pompous conceit, along with a refusal to even comment on what someone else tries to discuss constructively, bring out the worst in me. You sarcastic "Best regards" at the end doesn't help, when I know you actually mean "F*ck you!".

Facts govern "trying to solve this matter", not academic titles and bulldozing (yours). So far you have one weak one: Nationalmuseum's often incorrect portait IDs. I have provided 3 reliable references which you feel you can ignore, for some reason. Most normal people would find that very irritating. You know: normal people. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Your main problem is that you have no higher scientific education at all. So you do not know how to approach scientific problems in the proper way. That is why you are trying to "win" this discussion with intimidation and harshness of words. Well that does not work. One point is that you are trying to put words in my mouth which I never used. That is no good strategy. I never accused anybody for "bullshit" or "lies" or anything of that kind. The record in this conversation shows that. Try to stick to the matter instead. That would also be good for the reputation of WIKIPEDIA.

Due to the fact that the portrait is unsigned and undated, is a matter of value in this discussion. Most probably it was a copy of the portrait depicting Erik Sture, found elsewhere. It must have been presented to the von Warnstedt family as a portrait depicting their ancestor Duke Magnus (yes I have checked the genealogy, and Duke Magnus is for sure one of their ancestors. Further back the line I share ancestors with the Warnstedt family too, but that is approx. five generations back in time from Duke Magnus). Unknowingly of this, they acquired a faulty portrait. If they or anybody else added the text on the portrait is uncertain. At least it is known that adding names to portraits in 1500s was not performed in Sweden. During the centuries they have believed, in good faith, that the portrait was a depiction of their ancestor - so they kept to that story. Why should they doubt a family tradition?

Further, why do you think that a very solid institution like NATIONALMUSEUM "often" have incorrect IDs? Of course you know that NATIONALMUSEUM is entertaining very high standards in the Swedish art sphere? So you will not give in, even if alot of circusmtantial evidence shows that you are wrong here. Why don´t you instead use the Bona Fide picture of Duke Magnus´sarcophagus? It is there on WIKIMEDIA. Using that one would be the best in this disputed matter.

Apart from that: I could not understand when you write "Do you do the same when they tell you what to think and re: urology up there in Umeå"? First of all that has nothing to do with the subject we are discussing, not at all. Secondly, who tells me what? I am the chairman of the university unit of urology and andrology. Who is telling me what to think and do in urology? You are really way out of reality in that specific matter.

Summary: The portrait is a copy of an original portrait depicting Erik Sture, and nobody else. Once I have found my evidence with NATIONALMUSEUM, Dr Sundberg and other Bona Fide sources, I will present them to you.

Best regards (if I would like writing something else, I would - but I think that would be foul and improper language, so I don´t). Amir Sherif--Amirshe (talk) 22:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Your less-than-knowledgeable, extremely conceited comments about my education say a lot about you and nothing about me. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

So does the fact that you superciliously refuse to indent, placing yourself above learning & using the normal Wiki procedure that the rest of us agree to use because Wiki projects are collaborative. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

The Vasa-dynasty is under attack. These are my reasons for looking into details.Unfortunately we have the last 100 years seen an evolving attack on Gustav Vasa and his dynasty. Otherwise very clever and entertaining Swedish authors lika August Strindberg and Vilhelm Moberg slowly started this trend. The latest 30 years we have seen unbelievable attempts to question Gustav Vasa and his family. Local historians in Småland and Dalarna have openly contested his rights as elected ruler to save the country with tough methods and lately we have even seen pseudo-historians defending the Danish mass murderer King Christian II ("Christian the Tyrant") for the blood bath in Stockholm 1520 plus other massacres elsewhere in the country, that year. I personally have two forefathers who received the death penalty preceding the blood bath in Stockholm, and during the liberty war (1520-1523), two of my forefathers played very active and leading roles in supporting Gustav Vasa in his liberation of Sweden.Thus we have a new level of escalating misunderstandings on a national level, which truly are disturbing and seriously incorrect. Another example; we read now and then that Gustav Vasa was an usurper and came from a family of less significance amongst the Nobility. This is utterly untrue. I have his complete Genealogy and none of those debasing statements could be more wrong. So this is one of the reasons we are discussing the actual matter. To investigate even small details has importance in restoring a correct description of Gustav Vasa and his dynasty.So my motives are NOT to pitch a fight with you, it SOLELY a question of straightening out one of many details in the Great history of the Vasa dynasty. Best regards Amir Sherif--Amirshe (talk) 09:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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• File:Seal of Birger Persson - 20 May 1302.jpg
• File:Seal of Kristiern från Öland - 18 May 1309.jpg
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• File:Antavla - Kristiern Bengtsson Oxenstierna d.ä..png
• File:Ingeborg Bengtsdotters släkttavla.png

Yours sincerely EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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