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"Edit all" on mobile
This seems to be a feature that the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) has implemented for mobile users so I'm not sure if Factotum still needs it, though I didn't check if this is also the case for users without the Advanced Mobile Mode settings enabled, so it might not be wise to remove it. At least, I assume that Factotum places that blue pencil ✏️ / blue pen 🖊️ at the top right of every mobile page. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:30, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Donald Trung, wow, indeed they did. You do need to be logged in, but it's there. Also without advanced mobile mode. Factotum's button serves to edit the page with Factotum. You can disable it in the settings if you don't want/need it anymore. (Settings > "Enable full page editing") - Alexis Jazzping plz21:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Second class citizens
At The Wikipedia Library they write "Additionally, if you are currently blocked or banned from a Wikimedia project, applications to resources may be rejected or restricted. If you obtain a Wikipedia Library account, but a block or ban is subsequently instituted against you on one of the projects, you may lose access to your Wikipedia Library account." This isn't unique to them, several Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) elections exclude anyone with an active block anywhere, and with the UCoC nobody with any type of block is allowed to serve on any committee concerning sanctions, blocks, and bans. In other words, if you have any type of block you're automatically a second class citizen on every Wikimedia website.
What I wonder is why? It is never explained why a user with an active block should not be allowed to vote on volunteer members for the WMF board, nor does it seem to make sense why anyone with an active block shouldn't have access to a library of educational information. It seems that if you pissed off any admin anywhere you can automatically become a second class citizen that has to be excluded and I only see these policies expanding. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:28, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Donald Trung, especially unfair for anyone who was blocked by an abusive admin like Kubura or based on abusive policy like d:Wikidata:Alternate accounts which allows blocking many users for nonsensical reasons. I probably added an interwiki link at some point using an alternate account. Can't actually remember, but it's very possible, so I'd be eligible for indef. But I don't know why you are telling me this. If this is your way of asking me to remove your name from m:Global message delivery/Targets/Wikipedia Library, just ask, that would be no problem. Regarding the Wikipedia library, it might be part of the agreement Wikimedia has with publishers. I have no insight in that. - Alexis Jazzping plz13:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
No, I do enjoy reading about the library, I just realised that I forgot to ask if you have access to it because I wanted to look for a paper that's not on Sci-hub. I'm not sure who else has access to the WP Library as I'm not sure if I could ask random people. Though thinking about it I realised that you probably can't download and send PDF's through it. — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I can openly state that I'm using Sci-hub to get access to most academic papers, as I'm not sure if that's criminal and I just confessed to a crime. I remember years ago a Dutch judge ruled that downloading from illegal websites was legal but sharing wasn't, but I'm not sure if the European Union (EU) adopted different rules later... either way, I meant what if I hypothetically used Sci-hub *wink* *wink*. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Continued digging is ill-advisedDonald Trung, um, okay. If you are ever suspected of anything, please get a lawyer to avoid digging a hole that's deeper than needed. I signed up for the library fairly recently, well, more like logged into it. If you need some particular fact verified or a small excerpt that would be covered by fair use that's possible, but downloading whole copyrighted works and distributing them is obviously not allowed. I'm guessing your edit restrictions prevent you from making a request on w:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request ? Have you tried asking for an exception so you could make requests there? Otherwise, that page states that w:en:Category:WikiProject Resource Exchange participants can also be contacted directly. And the requests page is also available on Wikipedias in other languages - Alexis Jazzping plz17:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
If your account is blocked on one or more Wikimedia projects, you may still be granted access to The Wikipedia Library. You will need to contact the Wikipedia Library team, who will review your blocks. If you have been blocked for content issues, most notably copyright violations, or have multiple long-term blocks, we may decline your request.
I notice that on mobile when I reply to others on Factotum that it doesn't inform me if someone else edited the page, with traditional edits you got updates on edit conflicts but I think that Factotum largely just places a comment below edit conflicts, is this right? I've only seen it happen a few times and it was both a long time ago. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Factotum employs various strategies to find the correct insertion point for a new comment which makes it near-immune to edit conflicts. In most cases the correct insertion point can still be found, even if the comment you are replying to has been moved or someone else already replied to it. But if all else fails, Factotum may fallback to simply appending your comment to the section. The alternative would have been to present the user an error (like the traditional edit conflict error) and call it a day, which I'm no fan of. In my opinion, moving a posted comment is easier than dealing with edit conflicts. There is a setting, "Check for new comments when opening form/preview" on the "Interface" tab, you may want to verify it's enabled. - Alexis Jazzping plz22:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
