User:Donald Trung/Letters to Bob Reis

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Oriental charms that look like Oriental cash coins.

Anything Anywhere is a Western auction website that specialises in Chinese coins and Chinese charms/amulets. After Baomi had requested me to upload more images of Chinese numismatic charms I started looking for them but most unfortunately the only images I could find with compatible licenses with Wikimedia Commons… were on Wikimedia Commons, so I contacted Bob Reis from the website Anything Anywhere to donate his high quality scans of Chinese coins and Chinese charms to Wikimedia Commons.

For requests regarding w:en:Chinese tokens and images of w:en:Bamboo tallies please see User:Donald Trung/Letters to Bob Reis/Chinese tokens and Bamboo tallies.

For requests regarding Manchu Qing Dynasty cash coins and Bronze mirrors please see User:Donald Trung/Letters to Bob Reis/Qing Dynasty cash coins and Bronze Mirrors.

For requests regarding cash coins from the Kingdom of Kucha, "Red Cash" coins, Rashidin Khan Khoja Arabic Cash coins, Etc. please see User:Donald Trung/Letters to Bob Reis/East-Turkestani cash coins.

Images of Chinese coins and Chinese charms for Wikipedia (26 D. 01 M. 2018 A.)

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“Dear Bob Reis,

I found your beautiful scans of Chinese amulets/charms and old Chinese cash coins on your website and want to use them on Wikipedia, but as you own the copyright on those images I am not allowed to upload and use them there. So I would like to ask you if you are interested in sharing your images of these historical artifacts with the world and making then freely available. The most standard license for Wikimedia Commons is Creative Commons 4.0 which means that you keep the copyright and that anyone that uses the image will have to attribute you (Bob Reis) and your website (Anything Anywhere) every time they use it.

If your images were to be used on Wikipedia the images will link back to your website as the source. If you’re interested then please e-mail me back.

Yours faithfully,
Trung Quoc Don (徵國單)

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱.”

Consulted method of contact 📧

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Original publication 📤

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Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) ("The Chinese Coin Troll" 👿) (Articles 📚) 12:24, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Reply from Bob Reis (29 D. 01 M. 2018 A.)

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On January 29th, 2019 Bob Reis wrote a reply that he “in principle” has no issue with my proposal, but that permission and release rights have to be requested for every individual photograph/scan as needed. This seems like a tedious task, but one I am willing to undertake in the future. As Bob Reis’ e-mail 📧 is protected by copyright © I do not (currently) have permission to post it here, but I will add any individual requests I will send to Bob Reis below here.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) ("The Chinese Coin Troll" 👿) (Articles 📚) 11:11, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Chinese numismatic amulets (05 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Dear Bob Reis,

I would like your permission to upload the images from the following pages to Wikimedia Commons to use on Wikipedia:

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/coins/coinpics/chin-amulets1.htm

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http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/coins/coinpics/chin-amulets2.htm

&

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/coins/coinpics/chin-amulets-silver.htm

The easiest way to give permission is to use this Wikimedia Commons e-mail template form:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Email_templates

Or simply send an e-mail to “Permissions-Commons@Wikimedia.org”, personally I would advise you to use a license where you retain all copyright and anyone that wishes to use your images anywhere MUST mention you by name and link to your website, for example like I advised Dr. Luke Roberts of the University of California at Santa Barbara to do, the result is visible here:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:East_Asian_Cash_Coins

The Wikipedia article I wish to add more images of Chinese (numismatic) amulets is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numismatic_charm

At present I wish to add a huge expansion to this already large article by making a complete list of every (hidden) symbol and their meaning as well as the origin of why it means what it means and next to every (hidden) symbol could (and should) be an image of a Chinese coin amulet to illustrate it to the reader. The reason why I ask all three (3) pages at once is because permission takes almost 90 (ninety) days to process.

Yours faithfully,
Trung Quoc Don (徵國單)

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

Addendum (05 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Preferably I would also like permission to use the texts next to the images to organise them better, but if you would only give permission for the images that's fine too. If you’re interested I would also link the full list of “poetic allusion, hidden meanings, union of opposites, complex currents of energy and intention{s}.” when it’s finished. Apparently there isn't that much online information available on Chinese numismatic amulets so I'll try to put everything all in one place so people could all build on that.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

RE: Addendum (05 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Dear Bob,

Thank you very much, however you must give permission to the Wikimedia Commons OTRS team as otherwise I have no way to prove it, you can tell them that you want permission “Similar to Template:East Asian Cash Coins” (where whomever uses your images will always have to attribute you and your website) and forward the e-mail(s) I sent you with the fact that you give permission and be sure to note that the permission doesn't extend to all coins on your website (unless you want to give it). After sending the e-mail(s) you’ll get a confirmation number (or “ticket number”), you could give the ticket number to me.

Please e-mail “Permissions-Commons@Wikimedia.org” and forward them everything I send you and everything you sent me with the permission (again, you will fully retain your copyright, others will just be able to re-use your images which is why I ask you to also mention attribution to prevent “image theft”). If you have any questions feel free to ask me.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

RE: Addendum (06 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Thank you, be sure to give me the ticket number from the automatic reply. I will be writing about the Kai Yuan Tong Bao now, although there actually are plenty of images of that particular coin on Wikimedia Commons (although there are always some missing variants) but I’m sure that the images I have for that one are sufficient. Take care.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

Cast Vietnamese and Korean cash coins (12 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Dear Bob Reis,

By coincidence I had recently come across your page with images of Vietnamese cash coins found here:

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/coins/coinpics/viet-cash.htm

I’ve been attempting to list every Vietnamese cash coin on Wikipedia and have (unfortunately) largely been dependent on Eduardo Toda y Güell's Annam and its minor currency for the list and filled it in with Dr. R. Allan Barker and some Vietnamese sources, honestly I really admire your annotations on your website and if possible would ask to also be able to use them, if you would grant permission (again, using the OTRS) I would integrate these images here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_cash#List_of_Vietnamese_cash_coins

As calligraphy is probably a lot more important for Vietnamese cash coins than for all other types (simply because of its extreme idiosyncratic nature on Vietnamese cash coins) images could illustrate the subject better than any text could, for most (novice) collectors Wikipedia is their first venture into the world of numismatics and I hope that I could accurately represent each coin there.

On a related note I found your page of old cast Korean cash coins which includes a lot of very rare specimens from the Goryeo and early Joseon periods here:

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/coins/coinpics/koreacash.html

If I were granted permission I would use this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_mun

Although I will admit that it’s my dream to one day illustrate every mint mark of the Sangpyeong Tongbo, the earlier coins are even harder to come buy and old Korean exonumia such as the 2 horse warrant are even harder to come by. Your statement “Numismatics in Korea is pretty much unorganized. Collector's clubs are toothless, most dealers are either ignorant or mendacious.” Turned out to be very true, when I visited South-Korea I met plenty of dealers who tried selling “good luck coins” (Korean numismatic charms and amulets, modern plastic versions too) to tourists as authentic pieces and often couldn't differentiate between mint marks and other marks, that’s also why I work on these articles as even many (lifelong!!!) dealers are ignorant of the most basic differences of cash coins.

By any chance are you aware of Okinawan cash coins? The old Okinawans also produced their cash coins and finding information on it proved to be a major pain in the neck, but last year (around this time) I wrote an article about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_mon

And later translated it to Dutch. Most sources I could find were in Japanese and (thankfully) used a lot of Kanji. My goal with these articles is to make information for both collectors and people with a casual interest in them easily accessible and in one place.

Yours faithfully,
Trung Quoc Don

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

Japanese and Korean amulets (20 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Dear Bob Reis,

Yesterday I wrote and launched two articles about Asian amulets, one is about Korean amulets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_numismatic_charm

And the other is about Japanese amulets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_numismatic_charm

Unfortunately there wasn't that much information available about them in English, mostly from two websites that are mostly about Chinese charms, amulets, and talismans that wrote just about these two subjects because people kept asking them what their “Chinese” charms meant, as for images, the one of the different Japanese amulets is literally the one image on Wikimedia Commons.

I personally wanted to also write a piece on Vietnamese amulets being Vietnamese myself and all, however I was not able to find any information on Vietnamese numismatic charms at all, only that they’re like the Chinese ones, an example of a Vietnamese amulet would be:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amulette_Vietnam_XVIII_1ar_(14275014536).jpg

Yours faithfully,
Trung Quoc Don

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

Re: Japanese and Korean amulets (20 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Wow, then please don't use the “easy” image form, I’ve never used it myself as I have never donated my images that way, but if you simply send an e-mail to “Permissions-Commons@Wikimedia.org” it will automatically give you a number and you only need to specify the URL’s, I had no idea that the e-mail templates took that long. And tell them that you want to use the same license as:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:East_Asian_Cash_Coins

And only for the specified URL’s, forward the e-mails I’ve sent you with it as I’ve noted the URL’s, and you won't need to upload any images. At least I’ve never heard about having to upload the images before.

Don.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

Did you mean the UploadWizard? (20 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Dear Bob Reis,

I just read the whole descriptions and categories part, I don’t think that you used the E-mail templates but stumbled upon the UploadWizard (which yes, annoyingly can only upload 40 images at a time), was it by any chance this page?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

This is for if you want to upload the images yourself, the standard license means that anyone using your images must credit you, however if you want your website too to be credited you should add it to the license. By the way using the OTRS permission mail means that I will personally have to upload, name, and categorise every image which is why I advised that to you as you have a business to run and I’ma volunteer using his free time to upload these images so I would gladly take the trouble for the sake of collectors, and it could also be seen as a free advertisement to you and your work as Wikipedia is in the #5 of the most visited websites on the internet. Unfortunately it takes about 90 (ninety) days to process the OTRS ticket, but as the article they will be included in will also take around that time to complete I’m not exactly impatient. As long as you have an OTRS ticket 🎟 number I have something to work with. Plus I'll be importing all the scanned images from John Ferguson's Sportstune.com soon which also includes a lot of Chinese, Japanese, and Annamese (Vietnamese) cash coins and Chinese charms. However due to some miscommunication (probably related to that “easy” template) it actually took longer, but Mr. Ferguson was very helpful from his end, the same could be said about you.

If you have any questions I’m always ready to help.

Yours faithfully,
Don

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

RE: Did you mean the UploadWizard? (21 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Thank you, when you received an auto-response you also received a number, that is your OTRS ticket 🎟 number related to this request and this is technically the only thing I need, could you please give me that number?

Don

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

RE: RE: Did you mean the UploadWizard? (21 D. 06 M. 2018 A.)

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"Thank you very much, have a great day.

Sent 📩 from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱."

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