User:Anynobody~commonswiki/Archive 2

TAM

is this view looking at the runway near where Flight 3054 went down? If it is, I think it would be more interesting to do the view from the gas station looking in the direction of the landing lights. The front of TAM's express service should be visible and maybe some buildings in the distance. If not, you'll be pleased to know that since Gol operates out of that airport too, I added one of their 737-800s to the aircraft at the terminal. Anynobody 07:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I do not know the Conghonhas Airport layout that well - Perhaps a view of the plane skidding across the runway AND a view of the plane about to hit the TAM Express building would work. WhisperToMe 21:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I've encountered a problem I should've been able to spot upfront; I don't speak Portuguese. Do you happen to know where I can find images of:

• Gas pumps/signs at a Shell station and what they actually call Shell down there...
• Traffic signs/signals?

Anynobody 22:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Okay, the Shell station can be seen if you zoom into this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Tamexpress.jpg
  • Shell is still known as Shell in Brazil: http://www.shell.com/home/content/br-pt

WhisperToMe 18:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I was actually hoping for something like this, If they spoke Portuguese in Argentina it would be the perfect image. It does help to know I can go ahead and make a Shell sign which says Shell :) (It probably sounds anal but I've always found it annoying when artists do stuff like make a sign in English for a place where one would be almost totally unlikely to find English.) I'll keep looking, but in other news the runway image is coming along nicely. I've made a couple of other service vehicles (the gate area looked "barren" with just the gates and planes. I've been toying with the notion of adding people, but only if I can make them look believable. Anynobody 05:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Tam

thumb|left|200px|Does this look ok?

1 of 2

I'll still be working on the second image of PR-MBK moments from impact. Anynobody 00:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• So far it's a good illustrative image - It may need some tweaking and smoothing (I'm not sure exactly how the lights effects should be altered - they look a bit rough right now) like what you did with the JAL907/JAL958 near miss image :) - I'm copying this image to other Wikipedias. :) WhisperToMe 21:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a minor issue with the terminal roof and ramp/gate area textures, namely they didn't render because I forgot to include them, subsequently the terminal lights were a tad off. Oh well, live and learn. (I fixed it though of course) Anynobody 07:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

CI676 CG render Request

I think the crash of CI676 is a major accident in 1998 Taiwan, so what about making a CG render of it? For photos and references, see B-1814 photo by airliners.net, collection of figures by Taiwan medium (Chinese). --Littlebtc 17:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy to help :) Wow an A300 coming down more or less tail first. Anynobody 05:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I need to take a moment to thank the people who created numbers and those in Taiwan who chose to adopt them. Thanks to their efforts I can read data like airspeed, time, pitch, roll, and altitude in this diagram using info from Article RVS-J-98-01. However the English article appears to not include all the available data from the diagram and I can't read important details like positive/negative numbers or left/right in it. Do you happen to know the characters/designations for these and if so show me? (My computer should support major Asian scripts and as part of the image package I'd like to create a language neutral version of the diagram to accompany the render.)

Also do you have a preference about the rendered image? (Should the image be of the plane about to crash like this image, or a picture of the A300 just cruising to illustrate what the aircraft looked like?) Anynobody 00:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I went with the cruising type for now, Anynobody 06:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for replying late, I prefer the "about to crush" idea, but Isn't it hard to draw the crush image? --Littlebtc 15:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Another problem is Aviation Safety Council is founded after this accident so it is hard to find a technical report about the accident :(. [1] is all chinese but includes some figures redrawn by medium, and I think [2] (crush path) and [3] (fragile location) will be helpful. I will try to find more info. --Littlebtc 16:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about taking time to reply, we all have lives after all :) I can draw another version of the plane going down, it'll take some more time since drawing a good looking city is a bit more difficult but not impossible. This is how I understand the crash went down, and think there are at least three good angles:

The views I'm thinking of are from each of the lettered points A, B, and C. (Though if you have a different idea, like something between B and C for example that's not impossible either.)Anynobody 01:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I think C is better. --Littlebtc 07:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been working on this and was close to being done when I discovered that views from below, nearby the crash site, make the plane look "better". It seems to give a unique perspective. Would it be ok with you if I do the image from below? Anynobody 00:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Tu-154/Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937

I was surprised at all the minor differences there were between it and a 727, here are six of them thumb|left|420 px|This is a "final" version Anynobody 23:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

So, were you wanting a replacement for the images like this or a depiction? I'd recommend the former because I've been unable to determine if Tupolev includes logo lights (the flood lamps usually on the tips of each horizontal stabilizer) on their airliners. Come to think of it, I assumed the 757-200C has them and should verify that too. So far the pictures I've seen show none, (which makes me kinda wonder if the Soviet era designers regarded such extras as another form of capitalism) and if it turns out they don't, a night image would look kinda dark. Anynobody 23:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey Anynobody, thank you for creating this graphic. But there is an inexactness you maybe could improve: Both the aircrafts have been in a hard descent when the accident happend. At the illustration the airplanes crash while neither climbing nor descending. Maybe you could change the illustration and re-upload? I would be happy if you could inform me at my German Wikipedia page. 80.140.194.252 16:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Want another image request?

I thought of another idea: en:Swissair Flight 111 - Vaud (HB-IWF), an MD-11, is shown here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Swissair/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-11/0005813WhisperToMe 08:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing, I've actually agreed to do another DC-10 for that Turkish Airlines plane that crashed after its rear cargo door blew out in 1974, so working on an MD-11 also will be no problem. Anynobody 02:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been forced to rework the model a few times because aspects of the MD-11 are actually quite different than the DC-10. (I never really looked at em before and assumed like the Super 90/DC-9s the MD-11 was a stretched DC-10 with new engines and winglets. Nope, aspects of the empenage are way different, in frustratingly subtle ways.) Anynobody 04:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I know the actual crash happened at night but thought this general image looked better. If you prefer I can redo it at night. Anynobody 02:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I think having a day image and a night image might work well. :) WhisperToMe 00:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I dunno about two images, one seems to work just fine :) I did go ahead and re-do the image based on the Canadian TSB report. Another cloudy night... Anynobody 05:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Use of CG images on German Wikipedia for plane crashes

Hi! I found that some editors removed some of your CG images on the German Wikipedia and they started a discussion here: de:Diskussion:Birgenair-Flug_301 - If you want you can address copyright concerns, etc. there. Try to get someone who knows German to translate the conversation and then have him or her translate your comments. WhisperToMe 00:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I actually use Google to translate German (among other languages). I dunno why Germans seem to think my images are Flight Simulator screen grabs. (Sorry to duplicate this, but I didn't think of anything else to add since replying on Wikipedia :) Anynobody 02:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Matthiasb reverted some edits *without discussion* [4] [5]

I reverted him back and told him that he needs to discuss this if he challenges it. WhisperToMe 22:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• EDIT: he responded on the talk page, pointing to C. Deelman's response. WhisperToMe 22:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • EDIT 2: At a later point he wants to move the discussion to de:Portal Diskussion:Luftfahrt WhisperToMe 22:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. I also came here to tell you off for using Flight Simulator images (and for putting "I <3 New York" on one of them), but looking at some of your other airplane photos (such as the tail on Dc10-ua.png) and some of your other non plane collections it is clear that these really are self made. I might suggest that you include a short summary of the tools you use to make these images on their talk pages in the future to clear up any confusion. Also, I have to ask, but any assets used, such as clods and terrain detail/textures, are they self made or if not are you allowed to use them commercially? JayKeaton 09:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long to respond, this weekend was kinda busy :) I might suggest that you include a short summary of the tools... I've actually been doing something like that with recent images, but have also thinking about making a template or something to post on each image, but it's hard to figure out how to prove I'm not just saying I made them and using MS Flight sim screen grabs.

... or if not are you allowed to use them commercially? I do create all of my textures as well as most backgrounds. To create the land over which the planes are pictured, I use high resolution satellite images from NASA which I create bump maps for, giving the perception of terrain. To explain, this isn't commercial use on my part as the images are released under GFDLs. If you're wondering about actually including livery in the images as it relates to copyright, in the states it's not possible to copyright an object like a car, airplane, building, etc. (Ironically one can copyright the name and logo if used by themselves. For example if I included a little United logo with their name at the bottom right of the DC-10 image that would be a copyright violation.) Anynobody 02:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Md-11hb-iwf.png

Hello. Very nice pic of Swissair 111, but it's not 100% accurate, as pilots turned off the main switch a couple of minutes before the fatal dive, so the lights in passenger area weren't lit at that time :) --Matija 20:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello there :) I appreciate the compliment and your concern, according to the TSB report: The aircraft made it to 10,000 feet around 01:24:38-41 which is just after the time depicted in my image. The power wasn't lost until 01:24:46. (The pilots didn't turn off the lights, the fire damaged wiring for them.) Anynobody 01:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

There was a point where the pilots shut down some power to try to shut off whatever is generating the smoke (I think at that point the lights WERE cut off) BUT they didn't know that the entertainment system, the source of the fire, was still running. I watched this in the Mayday episode about Swissair - I think the loss of power referred to in the TSB was loss of power in the cockpit. WhisperToMe 01:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I think they mean the passenger cabin: At 0124:46, the cabin crew indicated that they had lost electrical power in the passenger cabin and that they were using flashlights to continue to prepare the cabin for landing. (I'm pretty sure crew in the cockpit are called either cockpit or flight deck crews whereas flight attendants are the cabin crew.) I wish the CVR transcript was available. (they did turn off some aspects of the air circulation system.) Anynobody 02:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

As for the a/c itself, I think the latest paint scheme does not have the black band around the fuselage. [6] - AFAIK this is the color scheme which the aircraft had when it crashed. WhisperToMe 00:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I had planned a new version with a diff cockpit, so went ahead and fixed the livery in it too :) Anynobody 02:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Helios 522 image request

Hey, Anynobody! Your CG images are good. Medium-high quality I think. Hey, I've looked the Helios Airways Flight 522 article and quite "imageless" (with only 1-2 images). Would you want to make a image it. One more thing: "Don't forget aspects and perspectives, okay". Thanks for your attention.

Sure, it may take some time to make the tail image look good, but I'll do a picture of it with two Greek F-16s :) Anynobody 02:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm almost done, thought you'd like to know what the perspective is gonna be :)

Hey, good work! The picture is very good. But, The F-16s positions are wrong. As I've watched in Mayday, one F-16 was behind the plane in the shooting position and another F-16 was near the front left side of the aircraft, near the cockpit. I think you should edit it. Thanks. 222.124.70.159 13:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't see anything in the report about a F-16 being in shoot down position. Here's what it does say, I've highlighted what the image is depicting: At 08:23:51 h, during the sixth holding pattern, flight HCY522 was intercepted by two F-16 fighter aircraft of the Hellenic Air Force. The F-16s made close visual contact with the flight in the holding pattern, at FL340. During the interception, the F16s communicated on the military radar frequency and with Athinai ACC. One of the F-16 pilots attempted to attract the attention of the flight crew using prescribed interception signals and radio calls on the emergency and Athinai ACC frequencies, without success. He maneuvered around the aircraft to acquire various views from the right and left sides of the cockpit and the fuselage in an effort to identify the reasons for the lack of radio communication. No external structural damage or fire/smoke was observed.

I'm not opposed to making the change you suggest, but would need a source before doing so. Anynobody 01:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Seat Map request

I found the map of surviving and killed pax for en:British Airtours Flight 28M (see [7]) - But the map itself is copyrighted, so I am requesting an original map that indicates the same information :) WhisperToMe 21:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Sounds doable :) I think I'll combine this request with the above Helios image and build a new 737 model from scratch which includes interiors. It'll take a bit of time but will allow for 3D perspective maps of 737 incidents (and a cool see-through effect for the Helios image), if it works the way I hope (which my new F-16 did), I'll re-do all* models starting with the 747. (Except models like the MD-12 which don't need one) Anynobody 04:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Since I don't know what the interior colors were, would it be ok if the seats etc. were in grayscale while the exits and passengers are colorized? Anynobody 06:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure! It's fine if the seats are grayscale :) WhisperToMe 20:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Here you go :) Anynobody 01:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I reversed the fatality/empty seats. Looking at the original and my first versions gave the impression of an empty aircraft. Anynobody 02:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Another request: en:1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision

Here's another one: en:1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision

The airplane images:

• SV763:[8][9]
• Kazakh 1907:[10]

WhisperToMe 23:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, happy to help out :) However it'll be the first image I do after I take time to re-do most of the images I've done in order to take advantage of the new computer. Several of them I've never been entirely happy with because of compromises I was forced to make between what I want and what my computer at the time could do. Meaning it's gonna be a while. Anynobody 01:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm cool with that :) BTW when you get to the Gol 1907 image I know the Gol 737 has a small text "Boeing 737-800" somewhere on the forward of the fuselage (You'll see it here [11]) - The detail isn't in the current revision of the Gol 1907 image... WhisperToMe 03:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I promise this version does have Boeing 737-800 where it's supposed to be, but the combination of it being silver and in shadow makes it a little hard to see. Anynobody 22:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Kegworth Air disaster - something to do much later

Once you are finished with the other requests and the redoing of the existing models, I think it would be interesting to make models of the seat maps of the Kegworth Air disaster - http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources/4%2D1990%20G%2DOBME%20Append%2Epdf - Perhaps one could combine the counts of survivors and dead and the distribution of severity of injuries maps into one, or something like that WhisperToMe 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll add it to my list of to-dos :) Anynobody 22:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Ssn593thresher.gif

Hello, I am a french wikigraphist , and someone asked me to translate your gif animation in french here. But, as it is optimized for gif, it is really hard for me to do it. Do you still possess the original files, I copy to you the translated text, it would be really nice from you to do it, as you know better your initial work.

• Emergency blow : Remontée d'urgence (Par purge des ballasts)
• Compressed air (liquid) : Air comprimé (liquide)
• Water : Eau
• Vent : Évent
• As liquid pass trough valves. It changee into gaz : Quand le liquide passe à travers les valves vannes , il se change en gaz
• Air push waters out of ballast tanks : L'air chasse l'eau hors des ballasts
• Phase change lowers temperatures of valves : La vaporisation refroidit les vannes
• Until ice clogs the valve, preventing water from being forced oute to Tresher could quikly surface : Jusqu'à ce que les caillots bouchent les valves, ce qui a empêché le rejet de l'eau des ballasts et la remontée d'urgence du "Thresher"
• Floodin causes Tresher to go down stern first : La voie d'eau fait couler le "Thresher" la poupe en bas.

Thanks so million--SuperManu ^SuperMessage 14:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I do still have the originals, but am actually in the process of re-doing my images in order to take advantage of a recent hardware/software upgrade. (There were aspects I wanted to include in the animation that I wanted but my last computer just couldn't do.) When I re-create this animation I can definitely create a French version :) Anynobody 20:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Good news!!! Could you tell me which program you use to create such gif animations ? I am used to Inkscape and Gimp. --SuperManu ^SuperMessage 11:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't easy ;) To make the moving sub I used AutoCAD and rendered images of it moving relative to a two fixed views (one coming, one going). Next the fade out/explanation was done using Paint Shop Pro to edit some of the AutoCAD rendered images. Finally I used Animation Shop (was packaged with PsP) to put them all together. It was a pain in the arse, but does look pretty good for a gif. I wish I had 3DS to make the 3D animations easier, but I've started toying with Blender.

Inkscape looks like it'll be just as good as PsP or better (than the version I use) in the near future.

I'm gonna go ahead and start re-doing the animation, I've felt bad about creating an English only version but was pretty sure there wouldn't be much if any interest in the incident on other languages. Now that I know at least a couple of people are in fact interested that changes my priorities a bit. Anynobody 02:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I changed the wording a bit, and ran it through Google's French translator but want to double check with you before I commit to this translation:

Compressed Air - Air comprimé

Ballast Tank - Ballast

Hull - Hull

Valve - Valve

Compressed air expands as it enters ballast tanks, and cools rapidly - L'air comprimé se développe à son entrée dans les citernes de ballast, et se refroidit rapidement

Causing ice to form - Atteinte à la glace forme

Which blocked the valve - Qui a bloqué la valve

(Emergency Blow - Remontée d'urgence (Par purge des ballasts)

Anynobody 19:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I think some words and sentences should be corrected, as I am not a specialist, I suggested your translation with my modifications to the initial interested user, here. I will tell you when everythink is find to be incorporated into your simulation.--SuperManu ^SuperMessage 08:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are the correct translation, I think, and according to L'Amateur d'Aéroplanes

1. Compressed Air - Air comprimé
2. Ballast Tank - Ballast
3. Hull - HullCoque
4. Valve - Valve
5. Compressed air expands as it enters ballast tanks, and cools rapidly - L'air comprimé se développe dilate à son entrée dans les citernes de ballasts, et se refroidit rapidement
6. Causing ice to form - Atteinte à la glace formeEngendrant la formation de glace
7. Which blocked the valve - Qui a bloqué la valve
8. Emergency Blow - Remontée d'urgence (Par purge des ballasts)

Many thanks for your devotion. --SuperManu ^SuperMessage 06:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem :) I'm happy I waited, the translation of Hull as Hull gave me serious doubts. Anynobody 07:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, let me know when your baby is born...on my user talk section, please.--SuperManu ^SuperMessage 14:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Will do :) Anynobody 22:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, Great animation. I should try blender once. Actually, I already had a look, but found it quite complicated. Considering the radioactive label, I do think every body is aware about it, even my grand'ma --SuperManu ^SuperMessage 07:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It is indeed very complicated, and being open source, the documentation sucks (compared to AutoCAD or programs that cost money), but it is pretty cool otherwise :) Anynobody 04:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Feature picture nominations

I nominated two of your aircraft carrier images for FP status. Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Cvs122ani.gif and Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Cvna1nim.gif. A user had questions about the source of the images if you have a chance to address them. Thanks, – flamurai 18:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much :) I'm surprised, thought folks were ignoring the ones you nominated because I've gotten more comments about the third in this series Image:Cvnanim.gif. I went ahead and responded to the question and comment :) Anynobody 00:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem... I didn't nominate the third one because the folks at FP are pretty picky, and I thought it might not pass because the GIF compression is really obvious. – flamurai 01:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I wish a replacement or newer version could be created, gifs are so limited. Anynobody 02:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Operation Barbarossa - Russian plane.jpg

Thanks for identyfying Image:Operation Barbarossa - Russian plane.jpg. I dislike having loose ends and tis was one of them. May be you can help with identification of Image:Operation Barbarossa - Germans inspect Russian plane.jpg? --Jarekt 01:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It was my pleasure, and I sure can :) This is/was a Yakovlev UT-1, I wish the tail was in the photo. Itseems to be the first on here. (Plane in the background is a Category:Polikarpov I-16) Anynobody 06:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I updated all the image descriptions and added images to few Wikipedia pages. I also found one more unidentified German plane: the one in the back of Image:Operation Barbarossa - Russian planes.jpg. It is kind of far and not much is left of the plane but may be there is something characteristic about what is visible. --Jarekt 13:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Based on what can be seen, I'd say that its parasol wing and cowl make it a Henschel Hs 126. Anynobody 02:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

That is great I updated the descriptions. --Jarekt 00:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the interesting photos :) Anynobody 07:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:Coroner_Post_MortemHubbard.gif

Image deletion warning

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Image:DC-8x.png

Please identify the sources used to make this image...It's kind of cool! -Nard 01:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry I forgot to respond to this last night, I was on when you sent this but got distracted. Thanks, and I added info :) Anynobody (talk) 23:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Estonian Air

Hi, can you make a picture of Estonian Air's plane? I need some pictures for Finnish Wikipedia's article called Estonian Air. I didn't find any picture from internet, so I decided to ask for you. --JoBeSi (talk) 18:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually I can point you to a few photos already on the commons: Category: Estonian Air. Generally I draw specific aircraft like Air New Zealand's former ZK-NZP. Anynobody (talk) 02:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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