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0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Interview with [[w:Yochai Benkler|Yochai Benkler]] 1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,040 When I say user autonomy, what I'm talking about, 2 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:15,920 is at the simplest level the ability of people to do more for themselves, 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,920 by themselves, without having to ask anyone's permission 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:27,800 and without having to submit to anyone's 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,840 control over what it is they are doing. 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:39,480 What happened in the [[w:Industrial_information_economy|industrial information and cultural economy]] 7 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:49,480 was that people shifted from being relatively free to use a limited range 8 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:55,440 of materials that they had in social settings that were open for conversation. 9 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,280 Family friends, relatively small localities for the majority of people. 10 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,800 To an industrial model of cultural production 11 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,480 where the materials were produced by 12 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:15,400 some set of commercial [[w:Producer|professional producers]], who then control the experience 13 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:22,400 and located individuals at the passive receiving end of the cultural conversation 14 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:29,600 so that efforts to take these materials and remake them, 15 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,480 or efforts to participate as a cultural speaker, 16 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,640 by and large required permission. 17 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:45,200 What we're seeing now is that through a combination of technology, 18 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:52,040 both digital processing and computation technology and networking technology, 19 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,080 people can take more of their cultural environment, 20 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,520 more of the information environment, make it their own, 21 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,760 use it as found materials to put together their own expressions, 22 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,800 do their own research, create their own communications, 23 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,320 create their own communities, when they need collaboration with others. 24 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,480 Rather than relying on a limited set of existing institutions. 25 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,840 Or on a set of materials that they are [[w:Copyright|not allowed to use]] 26 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:25,760 without going and asking "please may I use this? 27 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,080 Please may I create?" 28 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,800 What happens when people can do more for and 29 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,040 by themselves is that the set of actors; 30 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,240 primarily companies, and in some places governments 31 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,880 that control the experience - those whose permission was required, 32 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,440 are resisting this transistion because 33 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,720 control is a good thing to get if you can get it. 34 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,760 Or at least control is a good thing to have if you can get it. 35 00:02:54,360 --> 00:03:01,080 And what we're seeing today is a series of different kinds of campaigns, 36 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,240 Some of them quite self conscious, 37 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,480 I think for example, [[w:Hollywood|Hollywood's]] campaign to expand 38 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,640 technological constraint on use of cultural materials 39 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,400 [[w:Digital rights management|digital rights management]], [[w:Trusted_computing|trusted systems]], 40 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,840 is a self conscious campaign. 41 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:27,440 Some of it much less conscious much more based on anxieties, 42 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,800 and speaking out anxieties. So for example 43 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,600 when you hear the persistent concerns over Internet security, 44 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,560 and what will happen if people crack your system 45 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,120 when you hear the constant concerns about quality 46 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,760 and where will good quality come from? 47 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:51,120 and the error rate in [[w:wikipedia|wikipedia]], these are all much more subconscious expressions 48 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,320 of a fear that ends up being used as justification, 49 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,520 for embracing the control system that is being displaced 50 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,320 because of the technological and social actions, 51 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:11,120 because of the technological characteristics and the social practices, 52 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:17,160 that are being adopted in widespread cooperative networked practices. 53 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:25,040 So we're seeing sometimes legal moves to change, 54 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:30,640 and require legal control where practically it's no longer necessary. 55 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,640 Sometimes we see... I wouldn't call them propaganda, 56 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,600 but I'd call them public debate and public enactment 57 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,400 of anxiety, in order to increase the perceived importance, 58 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,480 of the traditional controllers. The most important place where you see this is, 59 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,080 teachers tell students not to use Wikipedia. 60 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:02,040 Because that use shakes up the sense that I'm a teacher, 61 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,120 I know exactly what the set of materials are that I have approved 62 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,720 and are capable of being approved. 63 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,160 I am used to seeing Kids, appealing to authority 64 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,120 rather that cross referencing multiple resources. 65 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,280 I don't want to teach them that they should see this as a source, 66 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,400 But not as a source of authority, a source of insight, 67 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,920 a potential move in a research that's always sceptical. 68 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,400 One of the things that has to happen in the context of the radically decentralised system 69 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,480 Is that we all have to become [[w:Sceptical|sceptical]] readers, all the time. 70 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Which is a fundamental change from the traditional cultural system 71 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,840 Where we would talk. 'How do I know if it's true? Well you've said it.' 72 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:50,960 Where did they publish it? And looking for indicia of authority 73 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,520 that will tell me this is authority. 74 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,920 Instead I have to begin to develop new capabilities 75 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,720 of looking at five sources, assigning them different levels of weight 76 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,920 and saying I have reasonable confidence that the correct answer is 77 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:15,400 x rather than y without really assigning full authority to any single site. 78 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,800 So that's another locus of control trying to, 79 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,720 get people to continue to hang on to to this sense that you need 80 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,080 the expert authority, you need the person whose is in charge, 81 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,600 to tell you what is good and what is not good. what is high quality, what is low quality. 82 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,280 What is reliable information, what is not reliable information. 83 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:42,240 And that's another domain where we see the controllers, 84 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:49,200 in this case I think less strategically, 85 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,400 than in the context of the way that for example, Hollywood backs digital rights management. 86 00:06:53,560 --> 00:07:02,760 I think it's a cousin in terms of self preservation. 87 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,080 But I think it's also a public enactment of deeply held beliefs 88 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,520 about why it is, that the particular people, that play a particular role 89 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,280 of authoritative speakers, in the older system 90 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,840 continue to believe in the values that made them authoritative, 91 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,120 and made their authority important. And so that's much more cultural resistance, 92 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:31,600 than it is practical, legal or technical design resistance. 93 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:37,080 But were seeing resistance from different kind of actors who played the role, 94 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,800 of controllers in the older models, trying to preserve 95 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,880 their relatively privileged position as controllers, 96 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,120 through different systems of constraint