English subtitles for clip: File:Space pioneer Rick Tumlinson on colonizing space-VPRO-The Mind of the Universe.ogv

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So I had someone son is a Texan related name. What did your grandfather just grand grand grand parents do.

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You know and well you know before we start yeah so

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when you say that you mean like my ancestry Yeah your answer we're going back to yesterday yeah just for a while Oh OK

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OK.

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We came

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and we killed Indians No kidding you know we did well OK a little bit anyway you know what we're doing group is one of

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my ancestors and what do you write Yeah well.

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My ancestors came to Texas in the early eighty's hundreds with a gentleman named Moses Austin which is a great name for

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somebody who's going to lead you into a new land.

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And they became a part of what we call in Texas the first three hundred which are the first three hundred settlers they

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came in under the Spanish Empire they pledged loyalty to the king they became Catholics. And.

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Began to settle in Texas and then over time became a part of.

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The founding activities that actually started what was at the time the nation of Texas.

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We're very proud of the fact in Texas that we're actually a country for. Nine years.

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You kind of helps define our attitude a little bit which is different than you'll see in most people in the U.S.

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You know it's funny whenever I'm overseas in customs things like that they ask you.

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Where you're from and I'll say Texas instead of us.

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So we you know our family is very much of a plane or in spirit we're not a wealthy family

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but we're very proud of our heritage and the nice thing about heritage is you don't have to be wealthy to have one

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but you can be proud so yeah we helped start. Texas very very.

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Means a lot to us missile launches the lady showed you some documents that you have just so for.

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Some of the documents she showed us yesterday I'd never seen before some of the letters from my ancestors back

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and forth in the in the colony at the time. Were very interesting to me and.

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We're constantly finding new things out about our ancestors I a couple of years ago found that there was a book written

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called the Fighting Tomlinson's a Texas Ranger legacy it's out of print now

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but it does turn out that we have thirty eight Texas Rangers in my family and we helped start the Texas Rangers.

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So yeah heritage is is very important to us.

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I don't live out of it every day it's not something I walk around Away Hey you know

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but it is it helps with the foundation of who you are it helps you be able to relate especially in my case the fact

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that my ancestors helped open this frontier put me in a position psychologically from a very young age to be focused on

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the next. Focus is on being a senator.

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You know much yeah you might my ancestors were subtle as they left a place that they didn't want to be in

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and went to a new place that they knew very little about they brought their tools they brought their out of tude they

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came as part of a community. And. Settled it turned it into a place which they could call home.

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And then to form New York current idea of settling into a state. Absolutely absolutely I. It had a great deal.

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As a child. Story to my head so. HOW DID I DO You are of the Center for you as a kid or your idea that there's.

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You know when I was a child I was exposed to a lot of different inputs.

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I remember I was an asthmatic and so I spent a lot of time reading.

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And I read science fiction at the same time I spent a lot of time out in West Texas with my grandparents.

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And they would let me roam and I would go out into the out into the desert and explore. And yet.

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At the same time as all of that was going on I also had my English background because I spent several years in England.

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And there was this feeling of the.

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The edge of exploration that I picked up there and it all kind of blended together

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and underlying everything was this thing about being a Texan being from a family of settlers.

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And I think you know

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when you're a child these things kind of can blur together into helping you create an identity for yourself so for me

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it really became sort of projected on the future what my family had taught me about our past. While dreaming of space.

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One of the reasons to be frank about it is probably I didn't like where I was in other words.

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We escape to places that make us feel. Good better stronger and more excited.

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That's why we have fantasy that's why we have science fiction that's why we have movies. And so for me.

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Dealing with what I was dealing with as a child I had a way to escape I could read science fiction stories in these

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heroes on these rocket ships and going off to new worlds in space and they were doing all kinds of incredible things

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and I could as any child would reading those books visualize myself as those heroes doing those things.

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And I really think that's that's why that's why we have fiction

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but in my particular case rather than you know being reading detective novels

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or something else I went into the future and inhabited that and it in a sense inhabited me.

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Somehow you were going to live your dream. When I was growing up and one of the funny things when I was growing up.

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What was happening was that. We had the Apollo program.

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And so you would turn on the evening news and you would see several things happening you would see Vietnam

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and the Cold War this imminent threat hanging over our heads that we were going to die in a nuclear attack at any time

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between the US and the Soviets.

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And then you'd flip the channel

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and we'd be doing these incredible things in space there's Mercury Gemini Apollo Soyuz all of these cool things so it

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was like bad news bad news bad news look we're doing something it's base and then you turn the next channel

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and there's Captain Kirk you know going into the you know places no one has gone before.

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As a child I think that those positive ideas of what the future could be like being reinforced as they were at that

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moment in my life by.

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What was really happening I put them together and I said Of course I want to take what's happening now

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and I want to go do that and then you roll in underneath it the idea of my family being settlers

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and part of the frontier and you've got this who I am now and what I do. So what was the first moment you realized you.

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Well were going to. The road of the road of actually working on it you know going out.

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There was there were several steps in my life. Of which point each one moved me further. I remember sitting in college.

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On the floor of my student union. And watching this. Icon of the one nine hundred seventy S.

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and Sixty's Timothy Leary giving a speech about colonies in space that this guy named Gerard Cale Neal had come up with.

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And I was just inspired it all came home to me that I want to help make that happen. I didn't know how.

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Because I was such a rebellious student I had walked out of my class as I was taught as many of us do that I was

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smarter than my teachers and so I would have fights with my professors and my teachers

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and I would storm out of the class and drop the classes. But I stayed in school.

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Mainly because it gave me community and I guess that's where the girls were but it kept me going

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and so I see I sit in the Student Union of my my school

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and there is Timothy Leary showing colonies in space Gerard Kay O'Neill's ideas

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and I decided that I want to make that happen but I didn't know how. So then a few months later and the.

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Amazing coincidences I guess because the one thing I had been doing was doing tech support for theater I find myself

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backstage. With a guy named Gene Roddenberry. And he had just created a television series.

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Sorry So starting on yeah not again I scratch my head and that whole story some of it I mean Larry oh OK here we go.

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So when they I.

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Was so so when I was in college just I find myself sitting on the floor of the student union

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and there's a guy speaking in Timothy Leary he's talking about colonies in space where people would live that were

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created the idea that was created by God in droid K. O'Neill.

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And I wanted to make that happen

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but I didn't know how because I'd been such a rebel in my school yelling at my teachers walking out of classes I never

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was finishing all my classes.

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But I did find myself at one point working in my school's theater department doing tech and so there I was at this.

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Lecture and there was a guy there named Gene Roddenberry who created Star Trek

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and for a few minutes I was backstage with him alone and.

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I had to ask I said you know I love Star Trek I want to make that happen how do I do that how do I do it because I'm

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you know I'm a terrible student. And Mr EISENBERG. Said just stick to your guns.

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Stay with your dream don't ever give up.

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And I said Well that that's great but how do I take my skills

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and help us create the world of Star Trek how do i help us move into space and he stopped

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and he said Do you know what I was before the television series. And I did know he said I was an L.A. Cop.

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I used to drive around in a police car. And it kind of blew my mind what it told me. Because in my mind. As many.

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Kids probably have today in their mind you have to be an engineer or a scientist

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or have some specialty that's directly related to.

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Building rockets and things like that to be able to participate in the opening of the frontier

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when he told me that I realized I didn't have to I realized I could just take whatever it was mainly my passion

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and apply it to the cause and as long as I stayed in there and I studied a lot on my own.

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And worked hard I would eventually be able to make a contribution and he apparently was somewhat right.

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You also studied that Garrett and you saw even his books have become your Bible. Gerry O'Neill. Is.

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I'm sort of saying it was crack. So what about your. Jury O'Neill is.

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Far too often overlooked in what is happening in space. Right now everybody thinks it's one mosque or Jeff Bezos or.

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Richard Branson and or the X. PRIZE or this or that or the other that made all of this happen or.

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You know or let's say it's the old space program

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and those guys the guy who is really responsible for making a lot of what is happening today occur is drug Keanu he

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wrote a book called the high frontier in the one nine hundred seventy S.

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and You have to think about that period for a moment we had been to the moon.

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We had Galileo and Voyager going out into the saw. Or system we could do anything.

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And you know we had Star Trek on our T.V.'s all of these kind of inputs into this generation that had just come was in

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the middle of the Cold War We just come through Vietnam we needed something to excite us

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and ahead of us in the early Eighties was this idea of a thing called the space shuttle

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and we were told it was going to fly fifty times a year it was only going to be one hundred dollars a pound to go into

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space we could do anything.

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And doctrine you know wrote a book called the high frontier

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and in this book he basically said you don't have to be an astronaut you don't have to be a part of a government

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program to participate in the opening of space take your ideas take your passion take your tools

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and utilize the resources of space

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and you could build settlements colonies you could build families out there in the frontier

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and the book which was called the high frontier inspired a lot of us so.

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On top of that what he did was he formed an organization

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and then he started having a conference in Princeton which he called the space manufacturing conference

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and we used to call it the not ready for primetime conference and we would go out to this conference

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and say things that you couldn't say at a normal space conference at the time for example maybe somebody will buy a

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ticket to go into space maybe there's things in the asteroids that we can use to build a civilization maybe there's ice

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on the moon maybe I as an individual could start a space company and do something important.

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And people would take you seriously he and his partner Freeman Dyson

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and Dr John Lewis would be sitting at the front of the room going that's an interesting idea and I.

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The young crazy Turks of the time would sit there and sail of these things and interact with each other

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and started creating a community now out of that community came most of the different space organizations we have here

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in the United States.

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The National Space Society my organization the Space Frontier Foundation the International Space University the X.

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PRIZE students for the exploration development space eventually the Mars Society all of these organizations go back to

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Dr O'Neill. By the Bible. So this is the one of the original copies of the high frontier that Dr and you know wrote.

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And here's what's really interesting about it if you think of this versus maybe what you saw back then from NASA

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and space agencies it's green.

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That's a neighborhood in that this is a rotating facility that provides gravity but whether it's in space on the moon

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or on Mars really doesn't matter at the core. It's green.

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There are communities houses there are people living in here working together just as we do outside in the town where

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we live so

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when he did this book he was able to tap into something that we hadn't seen before right even even if you go back to

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the core of science fiction people like Buck Rogers

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and these are these guys well Rockstar heroes you know superheroes they gladiators of space things like that Dr O'Neill

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said that's wonderful but let's just go build a home. And it touched us. It put inside of us this idea that.

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We're just extending who we are out there that we have the right stuff all of us. It's interesting hearing.

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Cares about humans space absolutely absolutely you know. There was. This might give you a troll but there was.

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The old space program that the one that the Cold War Space Program what I call the von Braun Ian space program.

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Was this idea of you know we were going to space and you would sit in you know couch

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and watch the expensive space program as we take your tax dollars and we go into space and.

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That was sort of a command economy a national controlled space program the Soviets had when we had one.

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The other way of looking at space is what I call the Sega Knights see the von Braun eons

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and you have the Sega Knights the Sega knights were you know billions

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and billions of stars look at this incredible universe isn't a ground isn't a great look at God's handiwork spread out

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in the sky look at it but don't touch it.

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Right now that's astronomy things like that and I love that

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but it was very much hands off most people don't realize at the beginning back

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when Dr O'Neill a starting call second didn't believe that civilians could should go into space he was against it he

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actually disliked Dr O'Neill he called Dr O'Neill the robber baron who wanted to plunder

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and pillage God's pristine solar system.

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And then there's Dr Neil he was the third category

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and he didn't have a funny voice he didn't have a funny accent he did have a Beatle haircut which he always had to

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until the end of his life but he was a very very gentle man and he basically said Take your dreams your imaginations

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and your tools and use the resources of space to expand civilization. Open the high frontier. Why was it so. Because I.

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Wasn't it was Dr

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and his message was appealing to me because I wasn't an astronaut because I was just a guy I'm just a kid from Texas

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who'd grown up in England and you know I was just a kid I'll start that again if you want. Dr and his message.

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Was so appealing to me because I wasn't an astronaut.

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I was just a kid I was just a guy you know just a normal human being who had a set of skills that maybe hadn't been

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honed by being a physicist or an astronomer or an engineer

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and yet what he was saying was that I could participate that I just like the astronauts just like the engineers just

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like the astronomers and the physicists I had the right stuff. And that gave me an opening. And you know.

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If you believe that you can make a contribution something if you believe that you can add value to something that you

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can take whatever skills that you have and you can participate in something and that thing is grand and exciting

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and inspiring.

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You should always step or do it

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and they called the force the other important point was the kindness of the people involved they let me participate

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here was this crazy guy who.

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You know obviously talks too much this is very excited about it and I showed up and I volunteered

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and I offered to you know I'll sweep the floor with if you want just let me in just let me let me do this.

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I started in New York City. Let me back up here and start again OK so.

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One of the other moments that occurred was I took a course about becoming myself.

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I took a course it was I took a course called Best at the time and it was a big controversy all

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but it kind of broke open my psychology a little bit. So I took this this course and it helped me.

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Realize that I had more potential than I thought I did.

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Three months after the course I ended up even though I thought it hadn't helped me at all I ended up married living in

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Manhattan and making the decision that I was going to change my life.

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I remember when evening sitting on one of the piers in the Hudson River. I just got a New York City.

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And looking up at the sky and just thinking. I want to do something important. Now at the time my skill set.

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Wasn't physics or science

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and I was trying to figure out what I was going to do I've literally thought it one point I would make great movies

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that would get people excited about space.

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was I started The New York five society. Being a place in space where you would build a colony.

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and we asked them if we could start having a monthly meeting so I started putting on these monthly meetings at the

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Intrepid aircraft carrier all about space.

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And we would invite important people to come and give lectures and I would go to dinner with those people before

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and I would hang out with them afterwards and they would get to know me and I would get to know them

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and I would have their contact information and and I would learn from them.

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and how we could influence people to make this happen at one point. In the late eighty's.

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While I was working for Dr O'Neill's Institute which was the Space Studies Institute.

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My SO seats and I decided that we need to be a little more radical.

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We needed to do more than just do research we needed to do more than just have great meetings.

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The space program was off track it wasn't going the way we had thought Keep in mind before the space shuttle flew we

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were promised it was going to fly fifty times a year

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when it started to fly the maximum I think it ever flew was around five times in one year

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and rather than it being only one hundred dollars to get into space it was ten thousand dollars there was no way we

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were going to be able to open the frontier with those kind of costs. I remember sitting at one point.

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I remember sitting at one in one lit up I remember sitting at one point in a bar in Princeton with my friends at one of

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Dr O'Neill's conferences.

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And we were a merry band having a good time and we started talking about how we were going to make this happen.

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And I remember us.

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My friends who founded the International Space University and myself and some of the others who went off

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and did political things. Pledging myself pledging our lives and fortunes.

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To helping humanity break out of the planet Earth in our lifetimes and we toasted.

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One of the guys called it a benign conspiracy

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and I said That sounds like a cancerous tumor maybe we should call it a benevolent conspiracy.

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So OK benevolent conspiracy to this day almost every person that was sitting at that table.

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Has stayed in the revolution as we call it and he's making it happen. Just from the X.

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Prize to people building spacecraft to people that actually change the laws so that one must can ship as those could

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fly they're still in the fight. So you became a. Space Africa or maybe space cowboy.

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I didn't enter this field with the idea that I was going to have to help. Create in a way a revolution.

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It wasn't my plan. I remember at one point. Testifying in front of the commission.

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That the way we were going to open space was that NASA needed more support

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and we needed to have more astronauts on talk shows. And that would change everything.

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Sorry about that and to do that again and again so you became a space I forget or my interactions or space cowboy.

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You could call it a cowboy I've been called I've been called cowboy gunslinger.

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And if you were worse things by people that I've had to take on to make what is happening now happen.

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My joke was that since I don't get paid I may as well have a great image to deal with.

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Space Cowboy I've been called a pirate I mean there's there's a lot of different words that people apply to us.

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In the end the word I'd like to have applied is effective. We made the change happen. You know.

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In one thousand nine hundred five I was I got to sit in front of Congress and do you want to cut and.

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Go with your questions because I'm Yeah you know Maggie I try and pausing at a break but yeah you don't charge OK.

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Let me go to you so you.

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You were talking about that you had this organization and all those people are still going to say Sion

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but what do you want to make why do you want to make colonies in space I mean we have a lot of space here

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and I heard you could say Earth pretty well why you would want to go out to outer space.

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There are several reasons that I've dedicated my life to making this happen. It is my personal. Existential belief.

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Is the reason I believe I am here. To help life and humanity expand into the universe and why is that important.

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When my first answer would be why isn't that important but I believe. That. Human beings. Know when to change that.

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I declare. In other words whether this is a belief whether I'm right whether I'm wrong doesn't really matter. So.

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Let's And that's not yes take that again so why isn't why why why you know why we go into space is is a question we get

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a lot and I believe it is our job I believe it is our job on several levels I believe that

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when it relates to the universe we are the way the universe knows of itself we are the sensing mechanism by which the

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universe has consciousness we create the universe.

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Just as the universe created us so it could be created by us we are the means by which an entity that we call the

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universe which doesn't even exist until we call it into existence by naming it the universe

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and giving it certain characteristics we are the entity by by which Are we the mechanism by which that entity knows of

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itself that's number one number two. We are alive.

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Without living things in my believe the universe would expand

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and evolve into maybe equally charged particles an equal distance apart for ever and ever and on

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and nothing entropy as they call it into nothingness we go into space. Because we.

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Represent life and I believe that it is the duty of life to move into places where there is no life.

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And we human beings are the seed carriers we are the beings on this planet that have the capability to carry life

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itself into space the beauty of what we are engaged in right now as far as expanding into space is that after the

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entire history of humanity being one in which human civilization seems to have attacked what we call the ecosystem as

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we developed our technology and our civilization is that we were versing that process

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and for the first time in human civilization rather than the expansion of our technology meaning an attack on let's

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call it the ecosystem the expansion of our technology be on the earth means we can expand the a consistent because

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we're going to carry life with us. That that's. We're going to carry a life into you.

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You know I have this organization called new worlds and our logo is a green hand. For the galaxy.

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That's on purpose because we believe that our job as human beings is to carry life where there is no life our slogan is

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to carry the light of life to places now dark the seeds of life the place is now dead in the eyes hands

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and imaginations of humanity to places unseen untouched and unexplored.

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That's what I'm about that's my life's mission in a sense and in one paragraph. And she's also in sort of X.

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Lloyd's Let's say that asteroids that matter you know.

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It's very easy to have abstract conversations about wow let's go into space and let's do all these amazing things

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but at the end of the day somebody has to pay for it at the end of the day it has to be able to pay for itself so yeah

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I could have amazing dreams of what the future is going to look like

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and what it should look light so I can little I could have amazing dreams of what our future in space could

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or should look like.

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But my attitude is I have to make it happen in the way I have to make it happen is I have to make it pay for itself

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and the way to make it pay for itself is to create a business to create an economic infrastructure in which wealth is

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generated by. What we're doing in space. But you know there is a sort of a shift.

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Looking towards place you know I mean we're doing that for since the fifty's for the last century

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but somehow it feels as if there's a change you sort of describe what is changing. What's happening now.

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Is scary what's happening now is the transition from. Space being dominated by governments.

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And being approached as a place where they carry out their programs to space being seen as a place where people who are

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inspired by those programs are able to go out and make things happen in other words. The children of Apollo.

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The children who were inspired by Apollo and Soyuz

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and the Cold War space program have now grown up with those dreams inside of them

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and they're going out to open the front here and these children of Apollo are very pragmatic.

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They're business oriented they're creative and they're using the incredible technologies we have today to go out

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and make it happen. You know how slow your company is. On them it's future forming what one.

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Might my company deep space industries are going to come at this from one angle in another my company I founded deep

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space industries. Because.

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In a sense out of my Texas heritage you have to be able to walk the walk if you're going to talk the talk I've been

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talking the talk for a long time

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and in the case in this case walking the walk means going out making it actually happen deep space industries is

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focused on harvesting the resources of space.

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Because we can use the resources of space we have an unlimited future out there think of it this way.

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If I have to carry everything with me.

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From the Earth in the space that I need to do anything I will always be limited by the cost of carrying those things

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from the Earth's surface if on the other hand I can utilize what I find in space the metals the water the materials the

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energy that's in space itself coming from the sun

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and if I can use those things to do what I'm going to do in space where I'm going to live there whether I'm going to

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create an industry there whatever it is a new economy. Then I'm unlimited then I'm released. The Earth.

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Sorry I'm sorry when we're on the earth we sit at the bottom of a gravity well.

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And that gravity well is the reason that we have to build such large rockets.

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If you'll notice when you look at a rocket there's this gigantic.

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Engine or set of engines and then there's this little tiny thing at the top which is the payload or the astronauts.

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That's because it takes so much energy to lift ourselves off the planet into space why not.

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Be out in space

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and utilize what we have out there rather than having to take all of that energy to lift ourselves out of the gravity

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well. Sorry. Go ahead and then you create machines that actually mine they're going to asteroid those.

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I'm sorry you asked me again. OK So then you create machines or ideas about machines that are able to dig into us. Yes.

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The resources of space are basically limitless So if we can get out there

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and mind asteroids harbors space resources maybe is a better way to. But it. Then we are unbounded from the earth.

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Then all we need to do is send people and some small machines and we can start expanding in space. You know.

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It's interesting with some it's interesting with the space because our goal is eventually to support the expansion of

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humanity into space

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but to be pragmatic about it the first thing we're going to send out there is robot very very small robots in many

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cases that will be able to tell us what resources we're finding on asteroids

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and eventually robots that will help that will go out and begin mining the resources from those asteroids.

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That allows us to keep costs very low as far as how we're extracting those resources

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and allows us to begin building our industrial base out there. So you know what's there yeah so.

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So much slip into deep space mode D.S.I. Mode for now and here it's going to go corporate I know.

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So the goal of deep deep space industries is to harvest sun The goal of the Space Industries is to prospect for find

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harvest process and utilize space resources.

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Our first missions are going to be within the next two years to test our spacecraft in Earth orbit we're working with

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the government of Luxembourg to build what we call prospector X.

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Which will show us the different technologies demonstrate the technologies that we plan to utilize to go out to the

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asteroids prospect rocks actually has a motor that is a steam engine a very ancient technology where heating up water

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in the steam goes this way the rocket goes that way it's a very.

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The what I would call front to read technology because it's so basic.

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And since the main material they were looking to harvest room

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and the asteroids in their first phase is water makes perfect sense that we're creating the technology that will

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utilize that water to allow us to get around in other words. We're creating the market. By having people use a motor.

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That has water as its main power supply. That will then. Be fed into by what it is we harvest which is ice.

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And we commit this from commodities because it it's interesting it somehow relates to the story of this early settlers

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using the stuff that's there.

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And one of the key things about being able to open a frontier is being able to live off the land.

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You simply can't go into a frontier

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and subtle front here if everything you need there has to come from where you came from.

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So that's why you need to go your mind

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and then you write the goal of deep space is to help accelerate the opening of the frontier by providing resources in

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space. So that we can dramatically decrease the cost of doing things out there.

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Could you describe somehow suppose we're living let's say twenty maybe thirty else from now what do you expect it to be.

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I would say within the next twenty years there are going to be people living in space in other words the place they are

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in space is what they're going to consider their home settlers.

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I believe we're going to have industries starting to develop in space that might include space solar power systems.

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But certainly I believe strongly that there are going to be people living on Mars

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and I believe that our organization our company deep space is going to be operating out there in building large

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infrastructure items such as space systems that can be used. To the I went off the deep and.

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Well that's an example my sense of what you tried to sort of imagine thirty years from now so what would I see what

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would I do just in on I as well you know within thirty years probably for about the cost of your house you'll be able

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to go live on Mars or the moon

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and probably end a colony that somebody is building in what I call free space in other words the place between the moon

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New Civilization is going to be starting now any other time that would be crazy talk but

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when you look at what's happening now with companies like mine where we're going to mine

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and harvest resources from asteroids when you have any Elon Musk when you have a basis

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when you have a Richard Branson you have these other people coming online

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when you have the advance in technology that's happening as quickly as it is right now.

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This is really going to happen and it's going to happen it probably yeah in the next fifteen to twenty

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or thirty years absolutely but why now. We're at a moment in time.

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Where we have an intersection in the technologies and the capability.

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And the imagination to be able to break out into space we have technologies that were developed in the Cold War the

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years it was an incredible thing to me the very same technologies that we developed in the Cold War. I.C.B.M.

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Rockets computers to calculate how you could kill the most people

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or guide the rockets to their locations the means of communications all of these things that we created to attack each

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other on this planet are the very same technologies that have come together now to allow us to leave this planet

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and expand into the universe. And you think it is let's see. Humanity into space it's our goal it's our destiny.

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I think it is the destiny of the human race to expand our civilization

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and life itself into the universe it's why we are here it is why I am here this is my job

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and the job of my associates and my friends who are building rockets and space companies

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and things like that to make it happen.

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You probably must have heard the arguments OK we're making a mass here so then we go out into space make a mess there.

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Why do we go to space if we have so many problems here on the earth exactly every time we move into a new frontier

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every time we push beyond the place we are we discover more things about that place

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and ourselves that we can apply to the civilization to the place we come from

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and make it better every time that humanity has moved into a new place whether it means going up the coast of Africa as

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primal creatures and beginning to become human beings

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and create civilizations whether it means the Greeks moving this way

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or that way whether it's China coming out of its boundaries or the the early settlers coming across the ocean

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or the people before them that came across the Bering Straits and began to settle in North

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and South America every time we move into new places we get better we become better at being human beings and.

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I think especially. I think especially in the current era.

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Where we have the ability to look back at the mistakes we've made you know the awareness of history that we have now is

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probably is absolutely greater than we've ever had in the history of humanity I'm sorry the awareness of history that

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we have at this moment in time.

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Is the very thing that will allow us to move into the future in a way where we can minimize the mistakes of the past.

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It's a very exciting time it's a very wonderful time to be alive if you think about now look if you look at the media

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and you believe the stories we feed ourselves the things are terrible you know the planets falling apart we're always

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different things. Yes we have to take care of planet Earth.

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This is all about life this is all about Planet Earth I am a tree hugger.

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OK I'm a Texas tree Argus I'm a tree hugger with a gun

399
00:47:05,2 --> 00:47:15,11
but I am a tree hugger I'm an environmentalist I love planet earth I love life I love things that grow I want to see

400
00:47:15,12 --> 00:47:19,79
that expand I want to see us create new possibilities.

401
00:47:19,79 --> 00:47:28,43
We can only do that if we begin to look at new places if we begin to go into new places you know the environmental

402
00:47:28,44 --> 00:47:31,96
movement on the earth may not have been started by it

403
00:47:32,00 --> 00:47:37,44
but it was certainly given a boost by the first time they look back at the Earth from space.

404
00:47:37,44 --> 00:47:43,87
Because it gives us a context because it gives us an understanding that we live on this tiny little blue marble

405
00:47:44,11 --> 00:47:47,82
floating in this incredible void.

406
00:47:47,82 --> 00:47:55,25
Just this place we call the universe we look at this little tiny blue marble and we go oh my gosh.

407
00:47:55,25 --> 00:48:00,00
You know we were precious life is precious so yeah we have.

408
00:48:00,2 --> 00:48:06,45
I'm here on Earth and guess what we're going to have problems when we go into space we're not going to get.

409
00:48:06,45 --> 00:48:11,98
We're not suddenly going to be become perfect by moving into space there's not going to be some incredible utopia

410
00:48:11,99 --> 00:48:20,46
but where do we go on the earth to try the next thing where do you go on the earth right now to create a new

411
00:48:20,47 --> 00:48:27,32
civilization where do you go on earth to try the next thing that follows democracy that isn't owned by somebody else

412
00:48:27,57 --> 00:48:36,36
where do we go to try new ways of interacting with our fellow human beings where do we go to explore new ideas you know

413
00:48:36,37 --> 00:48:43,81
you need an edge without an edge the center comes apart we have to have an edge we have to have a place where people

414
00:48:43,82 --> 00:48:48,05
who are maybe a little different can do new things.

415
00:48:48,05 --> 00:48:53,66
It's almost as if space will be the next laboratory for human civilization we're going to go into space we're going to

416
00:48:53,67 --> 00:49:00,11
try different ways of creating an economy different ways of acquiring knowledge different ways of acting with each

417
00:49:00,12 --> 00:49:07,44
other I'm excited by it I think it's incredible and you know what I'm not going to like everything they do out there.

418
00:49:07,44 --> 00:49:16,6
And that's just fine because as we go out there were to learn so much more about ourselves. So I said let's go.

419
00:49:16,6 --> 00:49:27,44
Settlers have me that's what you want to call on us becoming the she's distributing ourselves over to you you know that

420
00:49:27,94 --> 00:49:31,77
I. Think.

421
00:49:31,77 --> 00:49:38,63
I sometimes have trouble with the word destiny because it sounds like it's just going to happen no matter what you do.

422
00:49:38,63 --> 00:49:42,42
This is an active process what we're doing

423
00:49:42,43 --> 00:49:49,32
and trying to break the human species out beyond the Earth is an act of creation we have to make it happen there's no

424
00:49:49,33 --> 00:49:56,29
guarantee it's going to happen and so when I hear the word it's our destiny to go into space.

425
00:49:56,29 --> 00:50:00,17
I don't know if it's something we need to do something we have to do something.

426
00:50:00,39 --> 00:50:00,92
Should do

427
00:50:01,3 --> 00:50:08,67
but it isn't preordained that it's going to happen I don't want to ever get lazy about this you know we we could end up

428
00:50:08,68 --> 00:50:19,43
in a civilization that doesn't go out into space. And then we die. You know we kill ourselves.

429
00:50:19,43 --> 00:50:23,68
An asteroid hits the planet and destroys is.

430
00:50:23,68 --> 00:50:29,93
There's so many different things that could go wrong the sun sends out a flare one one day just wipes us out with a

431
00:50:29,94 --> 00:50:35,55
little flame and there's so many things that can go wrong.

432
00:50:35,55 --> 00:50:43,92
We have an ant's understanding of the universe around us you know.

433
00:50:43,92 --> 00:50:51,79
How does an ant understand the bottom of the shoe that stepson it and has no comprehension of.

434
00:50:51,79 --> 00:50:52,29
A foot

435
00:50:52,33 --> 00:51:01,07
and a shoe that crushes it we have no comprehension of what could be out there in the solar system in the galaxy

436
00:51:01,08 --> 00:51:11,33
or in the universe that could wipe us out like that. Now some might say well then why bother to do anything.

437
00:51:11,33 --> 00:51:24,03
My attitude is no human beings are pretty cool life is great living systems this amazing planet we're on is pretty cool.

438
00:51:24,03 --> 00:51:30,52
I want to see it live I want to see it expand.

439
00:51:30,52 --> 00:51:38,57
You could also say oh people could also say well very long it's a nice dream.

440
00:51:38,57 --> 00:51:43,88
This is all about dreams and it's all right this is all about dreams

441
00:51:44,15 --> 00:51:53,84
and it's about making dreams happen you know I could sit on the couch and run my television.

442
00:51:53,84 --> 00:51:59,98
And I could just get lost in dreams or I could do my video game and just get lost in dreams.

443
00:52:01,06 --> 00:52:02,56
That may be fine for some people

444
00:52:02,92 --> 00:52:07,76
and it's not good enough for me I have to create something I have to make something happen I have to help create a

445
00:52:07,77 --> 00:52:18,65
future I believe that's why we're here you know if I make no contribution to making something happen to moving myself

446
00:52:18,66 --> 00:52:19,41
my life

447
00:52:19,76 --> 00:52:32,46
and my society's life forward I may as well be Iraq I may as well be a Bush you know I I believe it's why we're here.

448
00:52:32,46 --> 00:52:43,65
We're not human beings are by our very nature not passive We don't just exist to exist that's wonderful it's very Zen

449
00:52:43,66 --> 00:52:50,68
like and believe me I have a deep understanding and I'm always a student of things like Zen

450
00:52:51,2 --> 00:53:06,69
and the way of just going with the flow..

451
00:52:55,29 --> 00:53:04,37
But I'm also a human being and I have a dream and I'm dedicating my life to make it happen. I have settlers D.N.A.

452
00:53:06,69 --> 00:53:11,75
I'm like. We all have the D.N.A.

453
00:53:11,76 --> 00:53:15,64
Have Explorers and settlers It's whether we choose to act on it

454
00:53:15,65 --> 00:53:27,27
or not that counts that's the difference it's the simple act in a moment a decision that occurs in just a moment.

455
00:53:27,27 --> 00:53:30,16
Of taking an action.

456
00:53:30,16 --> 00:53:36,28
That moment we do it every day we either do something that moves us forward we do something that changes our future

457
00:53:36,69 --> 00:53:44,15
or we don't and we make those decisions moment by moment every day I have chosen to try

458
00:53:44,16 --> 00:53:47,08
and create a better future I have chosen

459
00:53:47,34 --> 00:53:56,59
and taken the stand that I believe it is my job to create that does to me to make that future happen in which we have

460
00:53:56,6 --> 00:54:00,17
expanded beyond the Earth that's what I do that.

461
00:54:00,29 --> 00:54:07,21
What my friends who are building these rockets building these companies making these things happen they believe it to

462
00:54:07,44 --> 00:54:10,36
they're here to do that too.

463
00:54:10,36 --> 00:54:16,48
Now we could take a different approach and I could take a different approach in life and just watch science fiction

464
00:54:16,49 --> 00:54:27,39
and play video games I've chosen to take those things that I see and make them happen. That's nice.

465
00:54:27,39 --> 00:54:36,11
Ask me OK so how would those colonies in space and to what one already.

466
00:54:36,11 --> 00:54:39,35
Know basic space colony whether it's the moon Mars

467
00:54:39,36 --> 00:54:45,3
or free space has some things you have to be able to have air water food

468
00:54:45,9 --> 00:54:52,25
but the basic principles that we deal with here you know you have to have protection in space however from radiation

469
00:54:52,49 --> 00:54:58,22
radiation in space is very dangerous cosmic rays are one of our biggest problems and you see

470
00:54:59,15 --> 00:55:03,13
when we're here on the earth we're protected by a magnetic field.

471
00:55:03,13 --> 00:55:09,95
And it's a very interesting thing because once you go outside of that field cosmic rays they disrupt your D.N.A.

472
00:55:10,52 --> 00:55:10,94
So

473
00:55:10,98 --> 00:55:17,65
when you're in space you're going to have to have a large shield around you you know we have these pictures often of.

474
00:55:17,65 --> 00:55:25,08
Bubbles of glass on Mars and that's really not how it's going to be at first you're going to be under several feet.

475
00:55:25,08 --> 00:55:28,08
Of lunar Martian soil to protect you from radiation

476
00:55:28,09 --> 00:55:37,23
or water ice you need to be you need to make up for the fact that you don't have the radiation belts what we call the

477
00:55:37,24 --> 00:55:39,67
Van Allen Belts I'm struck again on that

478
00:55:40,44 --> 00:55:48,85
when you're in space very make it the Yeah Yeah Yeah so what's rude a space colony to look like space colonies are

479
00:55:48,86 --> 00:55:50,95
basically going to be bubbles of life

480
00:55:51,9 --> 00:55:57,14
and are going to have to be protected from radiation because once you get beyond the Van Allen belts that protect us

481
00:55:57,15 --> 00:56:04,34
here on the earth you're going to have to have something we call. Shielding several feet thick.

482
00:56:04,34 --> 00:56:13,39
And basically it's a closed system you have to generate your own food air water that's the same whether you're on the

483
00:56:13,4 --> 00:56:16,18
moon Mars or in space itself.

484
00:56:16,18 --> 00:56:24,74
Now when you're in space you can build colonies that rotate and that provides you are what we call artificial gravity.

485
00:56:24,74 --> 00:56:30,14
And you can rotate them the same speed at a speed which duplicates the gravity of the earth

486
00:56:30,75 --> 00:56:32,89
when you're on Mars you're stuck with Martian gravity

487
00:56:32,9 --> 00:56:39,22
when you're on the moon you're stuck with the lunar gravity so those people that live there at some point will get to a

488
00:56:39,23 --> 00:56:46,41
point a few generations in where they probably won't be able to come back to the earth.

489
00:56:46,41 --> 00:56:49,98
Space colonies no matter where they are the Moon Mars

490
00:56:49,99 --> 00:56:57,77
or in free space itself have certain basic similarities they have to protect you from radiation they have to provide

491
00:56:57,78 --> 00:57:06,05
you with an atmosphere you have to be able to have food. And you have to be able to have a way to get around.

492
00:57:06,05 --> 00:57:11,12
That's basically it but you also need family life for example was that one of the things of

493
00:57:11,55 --> 00:57:18,37
when you know I was actually sort of shows it as a family life.

494
00:57:18,37 --> 00:57:25,83
Once we get past the very first basic stages of exploration which is kind of where we are.

495
00:57:25,83 --> 00:57:27,3
We have astronauts going out

496
00:57:27,31 --> 00:57:36,27
and coming back we move into the settlement phase which is where people go to live out their lives in this new place

497
00:57:36,28 --> 00:57:43,53
and carve out a future for their next generations you're going to see families growing in space.

498
00:57:43,53 --> 00:57:51,14
And it's going to be very much like the old settlers moving out into the frontier here on Earth.

499
00:57:51,14 --> 00:57:53,62
Children who are going to grow up in space

500
00:57:53,99 --> 00:57:59,45
and think of space as their home you're going to have entire generations growing up in space.

501
00:58:00,2 --> 00:58:07,32
Think of space as their home they're going to have all the skills they're going to know almost at a very intuitive

502
00:58:07,33 --> 00:58:16,09
level that if this thing breaks how to fix it. You know just is the key I know that if you're dealing with kids today.

503
00:58:16,09 --> 00:58:23,5
When you look at the way they interact with technology it blows your mind because the they just automatically know how

504
00:58:23,51 --> 00:58:25,72
to use a videogame or a computer

505
00:58:25,73 --> 00:58:31,77
or things like that they know how to program things that older generations are baffled by

506
00:58:32,05 --> 00:58:37,78
when we get into space it's going to be the same thing they're going to know how to seal a hole in their habitat

507
00:58:37,99 --> 00:58:40,91
they're going to know how to grow a tomato plant

508
00:58:40,92 --> 00:58:48,3
or create food they're going to know these things the same way we know how to cook on a stove or open a refrigerator

509
00:58:48,31 --> 00:58:56,39
or fix a car or operate a camera or a computer it's going to be natural to them.

510
00:58:56,39 --> 00:59:03,00
They're gone be humans in space I mean idiots think thing is if you look at the space colonies of on you know it

511
00:59:03,01 --> 00:59:11,06
somehow resemble fairy much let's say outskirts of our time.

512
00:59:11,06 --> 00:59:19,46
When we look at the way that the colonies are presented to us now again these are mature colonies these are several

513
00:59:19,47 --> 00:59:21,9
years and it's not going to be like that at the very beginning

514
00:59:22,42 --> 00:59:30,38
but I think a lot of it is that we are going to recreate what it is that we have here on the earth hopefully in a in a

515
00:59:30,39 --> 00:59:32,49
better way.

516
00:59:32,49 --> 00:59:40,48
But you're going to have trees and and lakes and birds and flowers and butterflies

517
00:59:40,49 --> 00:59:47,13
and families living in those places that's the goal.

518
00:59:47,13 --> 00:59:55,78
It may not so much but this thread a light hearted bird life we're going to be spreading life it's going to be green

519
00:59:55,79 --> 01:00:00,17
and bright and light I don't want it to look like you know the.

520
01:00:00,39 --> 01:00:05,7
The inside of the spaceship an alien you know it words dark and gloomy and

521
01:00:06,02 --> 01:00:12,9
and all of that I mean that creates a great mood for a Hollywood movie but that's not what we want to do we want air

522
01:00:12,91 --> 01:00:19,49
and bright light we want a place where children can grow up and and be happy

523
01:00:19,5 --> 01:00:22,92
and where families can work together to create new communities

524
01:00:22,93 --> 01:00:30,03
and new civilization that's what we're after it's funny you celebrate it here your own home you're the only one who has

525
01:00:30,16 --> 01:00:43,67
plants front of his house. You know and for me gardening is. To release you know I have.

526
01:00:43,67 --> 01:00:52,11
Sorry for me gardening is a bit of a release I am very very caught up and what I do. And.

527
01:00:52,11 --> 01:00:54,69
It really is about spreading life into the universe

528
01:00:54,7 --> 01:01:02,79
and there's something to something so it's human about putting your hands in the dirt and planting something

529
01:01:02,8 --> 01:01:07,45
and making it grow there's something so very very human to me in that

530
01:01:07,76 --> 01:01:15,8
and so I have plants all around my place of fish tanks and aquariums and things like that.

531
01:01:15,8 --> 01:01:25,22
A lot of people think of space as being like this cold high tech hard place where people that are working in spaces

532
01:01:25,23 --> 01:01:28,45
being cold engineers and machines

533
01:01:28,46 --> 01:01:34,78
and things like that for me it's not about that at all it's about life that's why I have plants and aquariums

534
01:01:34,79 --> 01:01:37,76
and things like that I'm just I'm a big fan of life

535
01:01:38,74 --> 01:01:45,73
and that's what you like to do gardening in space I would love to garden in space you know I want to plant a tree on

536
01:01:45,74 --> 01:01:50,3
Mars I want to see a butterfly on them and I want to see.

537
01:01:50,3 --> 01:02:00,17
How we can fertilize Sorry but that was it yeah you know that it's a so that's something you would like sort of guy.

538
01:02:00,2 --> 01:02:10,83
And gardening in space I'm about green things I want to see trees on the moon I want to see butterflies on Mars I want

539
01:02:10,84 --> 01:02:20,08
to see just take the better aspects of gardens and life and forests of different kinds

540
01:02:20,09 --> 01:02:25,98
and put them out there into the universe and you know look for me.

541
01:02:25,98 --> 01:02:30,74
Even though one might argue that we are the universe learning about itself

542
01:02:31,01 --> 01:02:37,2
and being the mechanism by which the universe knows of itself there is also that interaction where there are forces in

543
01:02:37,21 --> 01:02:46,44
the universe that are trying to kill us that are trying to kill life not consciously life is an invasion on what you

544
01:02:46,45 --> 01:02:54,32
might call a domain of death in a sense in the universe so I believe that it is our job to spread life to places that

545
01:02:54,33 --> 01:03:04,06
are dead I believe that it is the ultimate actively human being to plant a seed and to grow something living.

546
01:03:04,06 --> 01:03:08,77
That is a reversal of the way we have treated our own planet

547
01:03:09,07 --> 01:03:17,45
and that to me is the shift in what it means to be a human being that is about to occur.

548
01:03:17,45 --> 01:03:23,84
OK Now let's talk about your company because your company executive your company is just.

549
01:03:23,84 --> 01:03:36,02
Well suspending live actually taking. Resources somehow What's the intention of that your company deep space industry.

550
01:03:36,02 --> 01:03:44,41
Deep Space Industries is harvesting space resources we are going out to dead rocks that may

551
01:03:44,42 --> 01:03:48,1
or may not actually someday come on.

552
01:03:48,1 --> 01:03:52,66
The Space Industries is harvesting space resources we're going out to dead rocks

553
01:03:53,25 --> 01:04:00,1
and extracting from those dead rocks water the stuff of life and if we have.

554
01:04:00,2 --> 01:04:09,11
Water we can then have oxygen to breathe we have rocket propellant if we add carbon to the water we have methane

555
01:04:09,3 --> 01:04:17,01
and we can make plastic we can build things we can then take the iron that is available in many of the asteroids

556
01:04:17,23 --> 01:04:21,29
and use it to make things we can then take other metals

557
01:04:21,69 --> 01:04:30,36
and use those things those metals to build other necessities that we might need in space.

558
01:04:30,36 --> 01:04:33,57
As well necessary to bring them to Earth

559
01:04:33,58 --> 01:04:39,53
but actually you know let me be very clear if Space Industries is not going out to mine asteroids

560
01:04:39,54 --> 01:04:46,39
or harvest so I let me be very clear deep space industries is not going out to our best asteroids to bring those

561
01:04:46,4 --> 01:04:56,37
materials back to the earth our goal is to harvest resources for use in space so that those going into space don't have

562
01:04:56,38 --> 01:04:59,78
to carry them with them as they go.

563
01:04:59,78 --> 01:05:08,2
In fact you're preparing space resources for building phase comes we are going deep space industries is going to be

564
01:05:08,21 --> 01:05:14,36
harvesting space resources so that we can build an industrial economy in space

565
01:05:14,72 --> 01:05:19,76
and eventually human settlements be on the earth.

566
01:05:19,76 --> 01:05:21,11
That's an interesting thing ever

567
01:05:21,12 --> 01:05:28,45
but maybe maybe we should make it more a little bit more clear OK because that's actually your providing the stuff that

568
01:05:28,49 --> 01:05:36,14
people are able to settle right OK. So let me come at that from a defining moment.

569
01:05:36,14 --> 01:05:45,8
So what's the aim of your industry you know did space industry's goal is to provide the materials that people will need

570
01:05:45,81 --> 01:05:52,27
to live and settle in space. And what it is.

571
01:05:52,27 --> 01:05:57,76
OK some of the things we're going to be able to provide in the early days are going to be water.

572
01:05:57,76 --> 01:06:03,46
And if you have water you have air. You have rocket propellant.

573
01:06:03,46 --> 01:06:10,05
And then beyond that we're going to provide things like iron which is very easy we believe we can extract it from

574
01:06:10,06 --> 01:06:15,48
asteroids using magnets essentially. When we come back at it.

575
01:06:15,48 --> 01:06:22,5
We can get well you get into a complete story because I think it's interesting to sort of that you are providing really

576
01:06:22,58 --> 01:06:25,94
good resources for space.

577
01:06:25,94 --> 01:06:33,92
OK Deep Space Industries is going to be providing the materials in space for people to build civilization in space in

578
01:06:33,93 --> 01:06:40,3
other words colonies to resupply space ships that are going between the Earth and the moon and Mars

579
01:06:40,31 --> 01:06:46,88
and places like that we're not going out there to mine asteroids to bring that stuff back down to the earth we pretty

580
01:06:46,89 --> 01:06:53,07
well have everything we could bring from an asteroid to the earth already here on the earth after all the earth was

581
01:06:53,08 --> 01:07:01,64
actually created by asteroids you know the Earth is a collection of asteroids that came together in the beginning of

582
01:07:01,98 --> 01:07:09,52
this solar system so it's not like we need to go harvest asteroid materials to bring it down to the earth OK if you're

583
01:07:09,53 --> 01:07:16,68
going to space you have to climb out of this big gravity well we call it to go out there.

584
01:07:16,68 --> 01:07:25,58
I put it this way if you went outside right now and you took a handful of dirt and you lifted it into space.

585
01:07:25,58 --> 01:07:34,94
It would be worth ten thousand dollars just. It's very very expensive to take things into space.

586
01:07:34,94 --> 01:07:41,27
That's an opportunity for deep space industries because we can go out there mine asteroids

587
01:07:41,37 --> 01:07:48,33
and provide those materials to people that are going to space cheaper than they can carry it from the earth.

588
01:07:48,33 --> 01:07:53,48
And that makes it easy. And heads.

589
01:07:53,48 --> 01:08:00,17
If we're going to be opening the frontier we have to be able to have business plans that close in other words we.

590
01:08:00,2 --> 01:08:06,07
We have to be able to show how we're going to make money we have to be able to create an economy.

591
01:08:06,07 --> 01:08:14,87
And some produce space industries being a supply center being in a way says being the people that are giving those who

592
01:08:14,88 --> 01:08:22,21
are going to space you create colonies what they need to build those colonies is our business we are in the business of

593
01:08:22,22 --> 01:08:28,25
supplying the settlers of the future with what they need to go do what they want to do.

594
01:08:28,25 --> 01:08:36,44
What's the time span when will this become reality yeah do you see these industries is falling first spacecraft

595
01:08:36,49 --> 01:08:44,57
and the Deep Space Industries is flying off for a spacecraft in twenty seventeen.

596
01:08:44,57 --> 01:08:52,44
Then by two thousand and twenty we will be putting our first lander on an asteroid it's called Prospect one prospect

597
01:08:52,45 --> 01:08:55,17
or one we'll go to an asteroid in two thousand and twenty

598
01:08:55,8 --> 01:09:01,21
and land so I'm going to start again prospector one will fly out to an asteroid in two thousand and twenty

599
01:09:01,8 --> 01:09:05,63
and basically give us an idea of what that asteroid is made of

600
01:09:06,29 --> 01:09:12,53
and then at the end of its life it's going to actually land on the asteroid so we can learn how the asteroid is made up

601
01:09:12,57 --> 01:09:14,05
of.

602
01:09:14,05 --> 01:09:22,01
People who are in the money business call that dig ability we're going to learn is a pile of gravel is you know how

603
01:09:22,02 --> 01:09:26,96
much of it is solid because we need to know these things if we're going to be harvesting resources we're going to be

604
01:09:26,97 --> 01:09:39,91
mining it. You define missions of you know large ships actually taking and tire asteroid and what is that the future.

605
01:09:39,91 --> 01:09:45,7
When we send out a run through the journey on the whole list and OK so.

606
01:09:45,7 --> 01:09:51,59
After our first test spacecraft in Earth orbit we're going to move on out around two thousand and twenty

607
01:09:51,6 --> 01:09:57,55
and some prospect of one to survey an asteroid or two assaye an asteroid tell us what it's made of

608
01:09:57,87 --> 01:10:00,17
and then to land on it so we'll know the car.

609
01:10:00,3 --> 01:10:08,34
Position is that a gravel pile is a solid rock things like that then we'll be able to compare what it tells us to what

610
01:10:08,35 --> 01:10:11,83
we're learning by looking at other asteroids Now

611
01:10:12,6 --> 01:10:22,52
when we come back I'm sorry looking another restroom cut well after prospector one has shown us what an asteroid is

612
01:10:22,53 --> 01:10:29,32
basically made of relative to what we've seen of them from the earth will now be able to take that data that

613
01:10:29,33 --> 01:10:31,45
information and look at other asteroids

614
01:10:31,77 --> 01:10:40,56
and decide which ones we want to go prospect then we can send out spacecraft that we call harvesters harvesters we'll

615
01:10:40,57 --> 01:10:51,11
go out to asteroids and take pieces of them and bring them back and be able to convert those into hydrogen oxygen

616
01:10:51,18 --> 01:10:59,05
and let me start again on them I'm going to give them a little now I'm getting down to the details into detail.

617
01:10:59,05 --> 01:11:03,02
OK after we send the prospect or spacecraft to examine

618
01:11:03,03 --> 01:11:14,38
and prospect in asteroids we will then send out harvesters they will capture parts of asteroids and bring those back

619
01:11:15,05 --> 01:11:21,9
and from them we'll be able to extract water because we believe most.

620
01:11:21,9 --> 01:11:30,91
Sorry we believe there are a large number of asteroids that contain great amounts of water in the form of ice so if we

621
01:11:30,92 --> 01:11:40,51
look into the future ward it will be diffused sure if your company deep space industry defers industry is goal is to be

622
01:11:40,52 --> 01:11:42,95
the provider.

623
01:11:42,95 --> 01:11:44,39
Of supplies materials

624
01:11:44,4 --> 01:11:52,82
and technology for people operating in space for the companies for the governments people who want to settle space

625
01:11:52,83 --> 01:12:02,54
people who want to explore in space it's going to be always cheaper and easier for them to get. What they need.

626
01:12:02,54 --> 01:12:04,9
From space than to bring it out from the earth

627
01:12:05,14 --> 01:12:12,45
and we intend to be the people that sell it to him it's really look if you're going to open a frontier at the end of

628
01:12:12,46 --> 01:12:18,31
the day you have to be able to pay for yourself to be there to do that you have to have an economy to have an economy

629
01:12:18,32 --> 01:12:20,85
you have to have successful businesses so

630
01:12:20,89 --> 01:12:30,54
when I go from this big cosmic picture down to how do I make it happen now I have to come up with a business plan that

631
01:12:30,58 --> 01:12:38,81
allows me to create a profit so that I can have people employed to actually eventually go out there

632
01:12:38,82 --> 01:12:47,07
and live now we're going to start with robots with deep space and I'll come back to that So I mean but.

633
01:12:47,07 --> 01:12:47,55
So

634
01:12:47,56 --> 01:12:55,85
and that it's easier to really get it in to get it that it's easier to get these results in space than to get them from

635
01:12:55,86 --> 01:13:00,08
the earth. It's.

636
01:13:00,08 --> 01:13:10,32
Been a me you me comment this really I get what you said about one you know out of ground dust which actually is right

637
01:13:10,36 --> 01:13:17,4
right if you carry if you carry a pound of dirt into spaces it's ten thousand dollars to go just as high as the space

638
01:13:17,41 --> 01:13:21,99
station the further you go out the more expensive it gets.

639
01:13:21,99 --> 01:13:33,00
If we can't provide air water metals building materials in space to people are going out there.

640
01:13:33,00 --> 01:13:40,11
And they don't have to carry it with them and then we can begin to create a civilization in space we can be

641
01:13:40,12 --> 01:13:47,14
and to settle space now the first product that we're going to deliver in space is going to be water wide because

642
01:13:47,44 --> 01:13:54,98
asteroids so the first product we're going to be the first product that we're going to deliver in space is going to be

643
01:13:54,99 --> 01:14:00,17
water white because there are a lot of asteroids that have a high water content in the.

644
01:14:00,49 --> 01:14:07,63
Frozen ice and it's fairly easy to extract we just heat the asteroid and capture the steam

645
01:14:07,72 --> 01:14:09,37
and the other gases that come out

646
01:14:09,74 --> 01:14:16,17
and now we can utilize those to do whatever we want if you've got water you've got air.

647
01:14:16,17 --> 01:14:24,66
You've got water you've got propellant in different forms we can capture those things fairly easily in fact you might

648
01:14:24,67 --> 01:14:28,37
say that deep space is going to be the building supplies center the gas station

649
01:14:28,38 --> 01:14:35,66
and the always says for people who are going to carry on other activities in space whether in one Musk is going to Mars

650
01:14:35,67 --> 01:14:38,36
or somebody is going to build a village on the moon

651
01:14:38,37 --> 01:14:44,18
or somebody is going further out into the solar system if they don't have to carry what they need to do that with them

652
01:14:44,22 --> 01:14:49,16
and they can get it into space in space.

653
01:14:49,16 --> 01:14:53,51
If you want Musk is on his way to Mars or somebody is going to build a village on the moon

654
01:14:53,68 --> 01:15:01,07
or somebody is going to go out explore the deep solar system if they can get what they need to go out there from the

655
01:15:01,08 --> 01:15:07,28
supplies that are already being provided in space they can do it a lot more often a lot more cheaply

656
01:15:07,49 --> 01:15:17,3
and they can do a lot more things our goal is to be that gas station that away says that supply depot so that we can

657
01:15:17,34 --> 01:15:31,88
really begin operate in space and do it in a in an ever expanding manner. You ever expect. Sorry you know.

658
01:15:31,88 --> 01:15:40,19
Do I ever expect to be in space myself yeah I'd like to I really would but I don't have to. You know.

659
01:15:40,19 --> 01:15:47,38
If I can walk out into a field at night and see lights on the moon if I can go to a beach maybe here in Texas

660
01:15:47,39 --> 01:15:52,65
and watch a rocket take off that's carrying colonists to Mars I'll be a happy camper.