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1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:04,020 Hi everybody, this is your host Subhashish. 2 00:00:01,890 --> 00:00:06,509 I'm a Wikipedia editor and a long 3 00:00:04,020 --> 00:00:09,450 time open source slash knowledge slash 4 00:00:06,509 --> 00:00:12,509 culture advocate. In the October 15th of 5 00:00:09,450 --> 00:00:14,969 2013, in Bohol, a Filipino province in 6 00:00:12,509 --> 00:00:17,070 Central Visayas was hit by a really 7 00:00:14,969 --> 00:00:20,039 powerful earthquake that affected over 8 00:00:17,070 --> 00:00:22,949 3.2 million people. A glance of the 9 00:00:20,039 --> 00:00:26,070 Wikipedia article "2013 Bohol earthquake" 10 00:00:22,949 --> 00:00:28,500 can shock how powerful this disaster was 11 00:00:26,070 --> 00:00:30,269 for the country. Apart from seventy one 12 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:31,980 thousand and nine hundred residential 13 00:00:30,269 --> 00:00:34,530 houses that were affected by this 14 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:36,840 earthquake several old and historical 15 00:00:34,530 --> 00:00:38,579 monuments, and particularly many colonia 16 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,070 churches like the Loboc Church 17 00:00:38,579 --> 00:00:44,180 Loon church, Maribojoc Church church, and 18 00:00:41,070 --> 00:00:46,860 Baclayon Church were severely affected. 19 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:48,899 Such a disaster reminded everyone that 20 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:51,570 many historical sites can just vanish 21 00:00:48,899 --> 00:00:53,309 at any point of time. And it is important 22 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:55,410 to document the details about them. 23 00:00:53,309 --> 00:00:57,840 Today in the second episode of this 24 00:00:55,410 --> 00:01:00,600 podcast series we have a very special guest. 25 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,359 His name is Joel Aldor John who is an IT 26 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,070 expert architect by profession, but he's 27 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:07,140 also been working for a really long time 28 00:01:05,070 --> 00:01:10,200 to build a collaborative project called 29 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:12,360 the "Philippine Heritage Map" to map and 30 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,939 document the historical places and 31 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,799 structures of the Philippines. Joel and I 32 00:01:14,939 --> 00:01:19,290 first met in London during Wikimania 2014, 33 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:21,240 and I'm really excited to speak to 34 00:01:19,290 --> 00:01:23,070 him today about his work. 35 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,840 Welcome to the show Joel. Can you share a little bit 36 00:01:23,070 --> 00:01:28,920 about yourself and your work at the 37 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:33,840 Philippine Heritage Hap. 38 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:36,780 Hi, yeah, thanks for having me tonight in in your podcast 39 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:40,340 I'm pretty excited to talk to 40 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:44,399 you again after almost three years we 41 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:46,860 actually personally talked over the 42 00:01:44,399 --> 00:01:51,659 Wikimania. Look at my three years 43 00:01:46,860 --> 00:01:54,509 can do to our lives. Well since then 44 00:01:51,659 --> 00:02:00,810 we've been very busy with our work, and 45 00:01:54,509 --> 00:02:03,509 yes we had been doing a great deal of 46 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:08,420 mapping on our own mapping platform. 47 00:02:03,509 --> 00:02:10,229 We've been working in this platform for 48 00:02:08,420 --> 00:02:12,900 more than two years now. 49 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:13,380 So right after we came in. [Yeah] 50 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:16,250 We started 51 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:19,980 building the platform -- this is by the way 52 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:25,320 entirely separate from the Wikimedia 53 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:31,790 projects just so you know okay -- so this 54 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:36,150 is this is a an initiative to build a 55 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:40,500 the most comprehensive and authoritative 56 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:44,640 database on historical resources in the 57 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:48,210 Philippines using an open source GIS 58 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:52,800 platform called the Phillipine Heritage Map 59 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:57,450 So in we've been the doing 60 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:59,460 cultural mapping for some years now with 61 00:02:57,450 --> 00:03:03,690 my colleagues going around the 62 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:09,150 Philippines and identifying documenting 63 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:11,190 and writing about identified the 64 00:03:09,150 --> 00:03:13,610 cultural and historical resources 65 00:03:11,190 --> 00:03:20,840 whether these are monuments or these are 66 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:24,420 movable objects or any any identifiable 67 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:30,540 tangible and intangible heritage 68 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:34,350 resources which actually it was a it was 69 00:03:30,540 --> 00:03:37,050 a product of a series of events that 70 00:03:34,350 --> 00:03:42,630 happened in 2013. As you may know the 71 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:45,600 Philippines was hit by one of the 72 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:47,250 strongest cyclones in the modern history as 73 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,560 well as a major earthquake that hit 74 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:50,190 the central region of the 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Philippines. 76 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:59,430 So we've lost a lot of the cultural 77 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:02,130 artifacts in those areas and it really 78 00:03:59,430 --> 00:04:06,860 gave us a hard look as to how were 79 00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:08,540 actually preserving these uh our 80 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:13,530 cultural heritage 81 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:17,780 when went during that time there was a 82 00:04:13,530 --> 00:04:20,400 you know catching up on on documenting 83 00:04:17,780 --> 00:04:23,669 the things that have been damaged or 84 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:26,110 have been affected by those natural 85 00:04:23,669 --> 00:04:29,830 events and 86 00:04:26,110 --> 00:04:33,849 the biggest realization was to that 87 00:04:29,830 --> 00:04:37,000 there is simply not enough there are any 88 00:04:33,849 --> 00:04:41,879 there there's just not much data 89 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:48,250 available for us to use for analysis and 90 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:51,189 assessing the the damage. So, we, some of 91 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:56,319 us, a number of volunteers started to 92 00:04:51,189 --> 00:04:57,759 map them and in 2015, early 2015. 93 00:04:56,319 --> 00:04:59,319 We started working with the Getty 94 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:05,860 Conservation Institute and World 95 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:09,159 Monuments Fund in the US to deploy a an 96 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:11,129 online platform running on an 97 00:05:09,159 --> 00:05:17,500 open-source platform called Arches. 98 00:05:11,129 --> 00:05:20,289 Arches is an open source GIS 99 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:22,419 platform that is purposely built for 100 00:05:20,289 --> 00:05:24,189 cultural heritage management. So it took 101 00:05:22,419 --> 00:05:25,779 as a number of months to understand and 102 00:05:24,189 --> 00:05:29,919 study the platform and when we were 103 00:05:25,779 --> 00:05:32,680 finally able to migrate all of 104 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:34,539 our mapped resources, and have it made 105 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,479 available on the online platform. 106 00:05:34,539 --> 00:05:41,620 We launched the Philippine Heritage Map. 107 00:05:37,479 --> 00:05:43,479 So that was a August 2015, we launched and 108 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:45,460 built heritage map around the same time 109 00:05:43,479 --> 00:05:48,129 as well we organized ourselves as to 110 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:51,550 become a nonprofit organization Grupo 111 00:05:48,129 --> 00:05:53,500 Kalinangan Inc. Our mission as a 112 00:05:51,550 --> 00:05:59,199 nonprofit organization here in the 113 00:05:53,500 --> 00:06:02,979 Philippines is to develop and deploy IT 114 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:06,909 services, IT tools, services and support 115 00:06:02,979 --> 00:06:10,509 systems to help preserve our history and 116 00:06:06,909 --> 00:06:14,469 our cultural heritage. That's simply, that's uh, 117 00:06:10,509 --> 00:06:19,449 that's our mission 118 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:23,860 Simply put, so our goal is to, our vision 119 00:06:19,449 --> 00:06:27,490 is to see a much, see a better 120 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:30,909 Philippines managing its resources its 121 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:35,409 heritage resources more effectively into 122 00:06:30,909 --> 00:06:39,580 the next decade or so, and you can do 123 00:06:35,409 --> 00:06:44,050 that too too. 124 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:48,460 some development and and advocating for 125 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:51,219 these tools and services that we are 126 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:55,150 offering are our main platform forces. 127 00:06:51,219 --> 00:06:58,210 At the Philippine Heritage Map, we provide 128 00:06:55,150 --> 00:07:00,550 the platform for free, and we provide 129 00:06:58,210 --> 00:07:03,219 training and capacity building for 130 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:05,770 grassroots communities for local 131 00:07:03,219 --> 00:07:09,849 government units in and around towns and 132 00:07:05,770 --> 00:07:12,159 cities as well as certain institutions. 133 00:07:09,849 --> 00:07:15,490 We partner with certain institutions to 134 00:07:12,159 --> 00:07:20,740 provide them with with the knowledge and 135 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:23,099 capacity to identify document, organize 136 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:28,659 and manage their heritage resources, and 137 00:07:23,099 --> 00:07:31,770 we also do data analytics and data 138 00:07:28,659 --> 00:07:39,310 exchange. We have we are an official 139 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:41,319 partner of the the Department of Science 140 00:07:39,310 --> 00:07:46,029 and Technologies project called 141 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:47,050 Project NOAH which has now been transferred over 142 00:07:46,029 --> 00:07:49,990 to the University of the Philippines 143 00:07:47,050 --> 00:07:53,550 under the name NOAH Center. We are 144 00:07:49,990 --> 00:07:56,169 exchanging data with them. We provide all 145 00:07:53,550 --> 00:07:58,330 geospatial information of all identified 146 00:07:56,169 --> 00:08:01,029 historic resources around the 147 00:07:58,330 --> 00:08:05,020 Philippines and provide them in the NOAH 148 00:08:01,029 --> 00:08:08,979 centers platform to help assess to 149 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:12,900 provide early warning systems or to 150 00:08:08,979 --> 00:08:16,060 enable early warning systems for 151 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:20,250 landslides, flooding and storm surges 152 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:24,849 that may actually negatively affect 153 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:28,419 historic resources. So if you go to the 154 00:08:24,849 --> 00:08:30,520 (NOAH web), NOAH Center's website, that's 155 00:08:28,419 --> 00:08:33,159 still known as project NOAH. But by 156 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,539 next month, because they're now under the 157 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,779 University of the Philippines, they'll 158 00:08:34,539 --> 00:08:39,760 not be renamed to they'll be renamed as 159 00:08:37,779 --> 00:08:42,940 NOAH Center. NOAH is an acronym for 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:48,250 National Operational Assessment of 161 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:52,260 hazards so it's a it's a government. It's 162 00:08:48,250 --> 00:08:53,529 a governmental effort to decentralize 163 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:57,310 risk 164 00:08:53,529 --> 00:09:03,279 and assessment, and resource planning for 165 00:08:57,310 --> 00:09:06,089 all for for towns and cities that may 166 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:10,259 be affected by natural hazards like 167 00:09:06,089 --> 00:09:13,449 budding landslides storm surges. And 168 00:09:10,259 --> 00:09:16,809 we're also adding earthquakes through 169 00:09:13,449 --> 00:09:19,779 the fill of data of Philippine Institute 170 00:09:16,809 --> 00:09:23,259 of Volcanology and Seismology, and other 171 00:09:19,779 --> 00:09:25,480 hazards that that we might be able to 172 00:09:23,259 --> 00:09:28,449 hazard information like hazard maps that 173 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:31,120 we may be able to provide which is still 174 00:09:28,449 --> 00:09:35,199 being developed elsewhere but we are 175 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:41,249 enabling that kind of, we're enabling 176 00:09:35,199 --> 00:09:46,360 that kind of a visibility and and 177 00:09:41,249 --> 00:09:49,540 capacity, better capacity to make faster 178 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,759 and more informed decisions and better 179 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:55,959 resource planning on mitigating risks 180 00:09:51,759 --> 00:10:00,910 and reducing, even reducing those risks 181 00:09:55,959 --> 00:10:03,339 to our cultural heritage. So, and you know 182 00:10:00,910 --> 00:10:11,759 our government is doing a lot of efforts 183 00:10:03,339 --> 00:10:14,829 to to manage and and rehabilitate 184 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:18,879 recover and restore our heritage 185 00:10:14,829 --> 00:10:22,720 structures after the fact, like after the 186 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:26,110 disaster, after, after a certain 187 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:30,220 occurrence that happened but to actually, 188 00:10:26,110 --> 00:10:32,800 umm, be more effective at protecting them 189 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:35,019 we must be able to plan early on even 190 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:40,290 before the fact so that's what we are 191 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:48,309 working on to actually, to actually 192 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:49,870 enable those systems so our our goal as 193 00:10:48,309 --> 00:10:51,639 an organization, 194 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:54,519 as a nonprofit organization is to 195 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:57,629 develop more IT tools in in in the 196 00:10:54,519 --> 00:11:02,709 coming months as early as now we are 197 00:10:57,629 --> 00:11:06,510 already, we have already laid the roadmap 198 00:11:02,709 --> 00:11:10,800 for for our technological roadmap for 199 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:12,060 for the the IT tools services and 200 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,829 infrastructure that we're going to 201 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:18,300 develop over the next three to five 202 00:11:13,829 --> 00:11:21,389 years where we plan to further expand 203 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:23,850 the scope of the GIS platform of the 204 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:26,790 Philippine Heritage Map which will also 205 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:30,990 include heritage in recording and 206 00:11:26,790 --> 00:11:35,850 logging of heritage incidents so if 207 00:11:30,990 --> 00:11:38,880 there is like a certain incident that 208 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:41,220 occurred at a, at a far far long away 209 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:45,060 place. We have certain tools that would 210 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:49,560 help ordinary citizens to report those 211 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:54,120 incidents as simple as a facebook chat bot, 212 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:57,360 or an app, or even an SMS or a phone call 213 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:00,199 that would route all these reports to a 214 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:04,170 centralized incident management system 215 00:12:00,199 --> 00:12:07,139 for for managing those reported 216 00:12:04,170 --> 00:12:10,860 incidents on heritage structures, and we 217 00:12:07,139 --> 00:12:13,079 validate those data, and the course, we 218 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:17,040 course those information to the proper 219 00:12:13,079 --> 00:12:20,880 agencies that would that are mandated to 220 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:25,620 respond to those incidents. We want to 221 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:28,260 reduce the feedback time for these 222 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:30,630 agencies to actually act upon those 223 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:34,199 incidents so that's one of those plans 224 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:36,889 that we're doing, and at the same time 225 00:12:34,199 --> 00:12:42,149 our volunteers that we're training are 226 00:12:36,889 --> 00:12:45,230 really is really focusing on building 227 00:12:42,149 --> 00:12:48,510 the database that we have right now. So 228 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:53,970 all of the information that our trained 229 00:12:48,510 --> 00:12:55,649 volunteers are are contributing to the 230 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:57,569 Philippine Heritage Map are placed on 231 00:12:55,649 --> 00:13:00,540 the Creative Commons unless otherwise 232 00:12:57,569 --> 00:13:02,690 stated, stated otherwise. Because some of 233 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:05,519 the information that we get as well are 234 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:09,480 under a different copyright, and the 235 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:12,839 platform has the capability to to handle 236 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:18,410 those kind of of copyrighted material 237 00:13:12,839 --> 00:13:20,389 but we really do advocate for for 238 00:13:18,410 --> 00:13:23,850 placing all of those 239 00:13:20,389 --> 00:13:27,420 data under an open license that would 240 00:13:23,850 --> 00:13:30,269 allow us to share this information to 241 00:13:27,420 --> 00:13:35,160 critical applications to and to ascertain 242 00:13:30,269 --> 00:13:37,350 agencies that are, that would readily, 243 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:41,879 that would need those information 244 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:44,519 readily, whenever, you know something 245 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:47,759 happens, we want that information to be 246 00:13:44,519 --> 00:13:51,480 readily available. I suppose we don't 247 00:13:47,759 --> 00:13:54,360 want that, you know that situation to 248 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:58,740 happen again. Back in 2013, when it took 249 00:13:54,360 --> 00:14:01,050 us a long time for for certain 250 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:02,009 government agencies which I got involved 251 00:14:01,050 --> 00:14:05,670 in back then, 252 00:14:02,009 --> 00:14:09,420 by the way to actually make a good 253 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:11,490 assessment of how much the, how much of 254 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:14,459 our cultural heritage has been affected, 255 00:14:11,490 --> 00:14:16,889 it took them months to fully understand 256 00:14:14,459 --> 00:14:19,139 the extent of the damage if we only have 257 00:14:16,889 --> 00:14:20,759 that information right away, and put it 258 00:14:19,139 --> 00:14:25,490 in a, you know in a technological 259 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:31,110 platform that will ,that will readily 260 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:33,509 analyze and even visualize the analysis 261 00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:36,420 of that data and map it against those 262 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:40,110 hazards we may, we will be, we will be 263 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:44,160 better quick and better informed at 264 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:47,069 making faster decisions on a heritage, 265 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:55,579 and therefore the government in a lot 266 00:14:47,069 --> 00:14:58,589 better funding to to to respond to those, 267 00:14:55,579 --> 00:15:01,829 to those situations so that's pretty 268 00:14:58,589 --> 00:15:03,449 much that what we do. [umm] I've been a, you 269 00:15:01,829 --> 00:15:05,220 know, I've been an advocate of free and 270 00:15:03,449 --> 00:15:05,970 open culture since I since back in 271 00:15:05,220 --> 00:15:10,129 college 272 00:15:05,970 --> 00:15:12,360 and occasionally I also contribute to 273 00:15:10,129 --> 00:15:14,970 the Wikimedia projects, particularly 274 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,350 wikimedia Commons. I had a government 275 00:15:14,970 --> 00:15:18,389 project back in 2014. 276 00:15:16,350 --> 00:15:24,300 around the time with we met at Wikimania 277 00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:26,339 in London, where I digitally documented 278 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:29,420 the largest heritage artworks in the 279 00:15:26,339 --> 00:15:31,980 Philippines, the ceiling paintings of the, 280 00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:34,150 some of the colonial catholic churches 281 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:36,460 in the central Philippines. 282 00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:39,010 And they're all uploaded on the Creative 283 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:41,710 Commons so that they're all in Wikimedia 284 00:15:39,010 --> 00:15:44,680 Commons so you can, you know, take a look 285 00:15:41,710 --> 00:15:46,780 at them and that's that's what we're 286 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:51,580 doing. That's what keeps us busy these 287 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:57,460 days. That's a lot work my friend, right? 288 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:58,980 (Umm) (yeah, yeah). It's rather amazing that we 289 00:15:57,460 --> 00:16:02,470 can still find that in the dark actually 290 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:04,570 (Yeah, Yeah, right) and I'm particularly 291 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:07,510 interested about also knowing a little 292 00:16:04,570 --> 00:16:10,990 bit about the outcomes of the Philippine 293 00:16:07,510 --> 00:16:12,250 Heritage Project, and you know, you 294 00:16:10,990 --> 00:16:13,690 shared a little bit about how you're 295 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:15,430 collaborating with the government how 296 00:16:13,690 --> 00:16:17,470 you're building the grassroot 297 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:19,420 communities. So tell me a little bit more 298 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:23,470 about that, all right? 299 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:28,080 I'm sure the reach of the Philippine 300 00:16:23,470 --> 00:16:28,080 Heritage Map has almost 10,000 301 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:36,040 identified and mapped historic resources 302 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:39,490 in the platform. Definitely it's not as 303 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:45,750 far from being complete. (uh) We do have a 304 00:16:39,490 --> 00:16:45,750 goal - to reach a hundred thousand 305 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:52,000 identified and mapped historic resources 306 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:54,460 over the next three to four years, maybe 307 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:59,770 by the end of 2020. That's what we're 308 00:16:54,460 --> 00:17:01,030 targeting on, but since 2015, since we've 309 00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:04,510 launched the Philippine Heritage Map 310 00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:07,900 we've worked with a number of volunteers 311 00:17:04,510 --> 00:17:08,970 and we trained them so far. We've 312 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:13,470 completed 313 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:17,110 mapping of about forty old towns and 314 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:22,830 cities and historic districts around the 315 00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:26,709 Philippines. We prioritize, we prioritize 316 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:29,640 remote places because these are the ones 317 00:17:26,709 --> 00:17:32,200 that are historically significant but 318 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:36,250 receives lesser attention by the 319 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:39,430 government so we want to, we want to 320 00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:41,830 first, we want to prioritize mapping 321 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:44,710 those lesser-known towns and cities that 322 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:47,860 are the worst stablished during the 323 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:51,130 Spanish period much of our churches 324 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:53,530 were established by the Spanish 325 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:58,590 missionaries during the fifteenth, during the 326 00:17:53,530 --> 00:18:04,380 sixteenth century so we want to map them, 327 00:17:58,590 --> 00:18:07,600 and we became a recognized local 328 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:10,510 affiliate of the National Historical 329 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:16,140 Commission of the Philippines, the oldest 330 00:18:10,510 --> 00:18:19,510 and the most respected government agency 331 00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:22,960 concerned with the coastal heritage and 332 00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:24,880 history of the Philippines. So, (yeah) that 333 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,140 makes us a legitimate nonprofit 334 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:32,350 organization recognized by the 335 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:36,760 government, and on a much local scale we 336 00:18:32,350 --> 00:18:39,760 hold scheduled trainings. In fact by next 337 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:43,840 month we'll be holding our batch 7 338 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:46,090 training of volunteers where we will be 339 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,070 training them technically. We'll be 340 00:18:46,090 --> 00:18:51,549 providing technical training on how to 341 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:53,290 actually map or you see the platform to 342 00:18:51,549 --> 00:18:54,760 map heritage resources in their towns 343 00:18:53,290 --> 00:18:58,419 and cities. So it will be a two-day 344 00:18:54,760 --> 00:19:03,100 workshop training and workshop for for 345 00:18:58,419 --> 00:19:06,460 selected volunteers, and we've also 346 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:07,600 partnered with a number of organizations 347 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:10,000 like the Philippine Institute of 348 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,799 Architects and the technological 349 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,510 institute of the Philippines students 350 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,260 from the Theological Institute of 351 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:21,160 Technological University of the 352 00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:24,750 Philippines and later on the Far Eastern 353 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:31,000 University, one of the largest 354 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:34,270 universities in Manila, and, (yeah) and 355 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:37,750 where there are a good number of 356 00:19:34,270 --> 00:19:42,700 partnerships down the pipeline where 357 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:45,059 we're sort of, still, you know, we're 358 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:48,010 tormented over with the board and 359 00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:50,230 assessing the partnerships. There's 360 00:19:48,010 --> 00:19:55,570 really so many opportunities coming in 361 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:58,360 and to be honest, we're quite 362 00:19:55,570 --> 00:20:01,270 overwhelmed with with those 363 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:03,130 opportunities because we are pretty much, 364 00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:07,200 you know, a lean organization at the 365 00:20:03,130 --> 00:20:11,520 moment. We are actually a working board 366 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:13,990 but we are very fortunate to work with 367 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,390 passionate volunteers that are helping 368 00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:18,910 us whenever we we are holding certain 369 00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:21,760 activities, and whenever we're giving 370 00:20:18,910 --> 00:20:26,020 them certain assignments on mapping so 371 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,790 yeah that's how we engage primarily from 372 00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:31,150 the governmental level down to the 373 00:20:27,790 --> 00:20:34,050 individuals and to certain institutions 374 00:20:31,150 --> 00:20:37,830 Even with the LG use, we have a good 375 00:20:34,050 --> 00:20:41,860 number of partnerships with certain 376 00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:48,340 government units like the city of the 377 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:53,710 Tagbilaran in Bohol, the historic district of 378 00:20:48,340 --> 00:20:55,710 Santa Ana in in Manila, and the interim 379 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:59,080 Buddhist administration provided us with 380 00:20:55,710 --> 00:21:01,720 their complete, their complete registry 381 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,450 of all identified historical structures 382 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,140 in the world city of Intramuros in old 383 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:08,710 Manila. 384 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:15,990 So we've already included that on the 385 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:20,430 map, so, (yeah) so simply put, we are very 386 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:24,010 happy to have partners with so many 387 00:21:20,430 --> 00:21:25,750 government agencies, institutions down to 388 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:30,030 the individuals, and we're working 389 00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:34,000 towards partnering with so much more. 390 00:21:30,030 --> 00:21:35,230 (yeah) That's great, and that's a lot of 391 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,940 collaborations with many organizations, 392 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:38,590 and that's something that I was 393 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:39,520 really interested to learn about because, 394 00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:43,390 you know, partnering with the government 395 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:45,910 kind of helps a lot to maximize your 396 00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:47,890 effort, because without their support 397 00:21:45,910 --> 00:21:50,740 it's so difficult to even enter, enter 398 00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:53,620 inside different, you know, cultural 399 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:57,520 organizations which is really a, you know, 400 00:21:53,620 --> 00:22:01,870 big obstacle for many many people who 401 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:04,630 are working in this sphere. And you also 402 00:22:01,870 --> 00:22:06,730 shared how you're educating people, how 403 00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:09,910 you're providing training to grassroot 404 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:11,940 communities, right? How many people you 405 00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:14,620 have, you know, provided training so far, 406 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:16,450 and also tell me a little bit about 407 00:22:14,620 --> 00:22:19,660 your team structure. How many people are 408 00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:21,730 working along with you in this project, 409 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:24,220 or you're the only one who is working on 410 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:26,170 this, and, and how you're providing 411 00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:28,809 training to the grassroot communities, 412 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:32,830 and, and, and how you're tracking that? 413 00:22:28,809 --> 00:22:35,350 How you're make making sure that they're not 414 00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:37,809 just learning but also, you know, 415 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:42,640 reflecting their learning on the 416 00:22:37,809 --> 00:22:44,910 platform by contributing? So, yeah. 417 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,780 Well, like I said earlier we are pretty much a 418 00:22:44,910 --> 00:22:53,230 lean organization. We are a working board. 419 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:55,480 We are just a newly registered nonprofit 420 00:22:53,230 --> 00:23:00,100 organization with all the legal and 421 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:03,160 all the government papers, and we are 422 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:04,330 being taxed for all of our, you know 423 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,320 everything. 424 00:23:04,330 --> 00:23:14,230 We are simply, we're legit but we are 425 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:16,270 still scaling up our our operations and 426 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:18,429 activities right now. We are five in the 427 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:21,550 board and we work with a number of 428 00:23:18,429 --> 00:23:26,559 active volunteers who help us in in 429 00:23:21,550 --> 00:23:29,860 several ways, and all of us in the board 430 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:36,059 have a number of responsibilities. I'm 431 00:23:29,860 --> 00:23:40,750 pretty much uh concerned primarily with 432 00:23:36,059 --> 00:23:42,820 strategic planning, and of course finding 433 00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:44,980 all the right opportunities for us as 434 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:49,179 being, me as the president, current 435 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:53,260 president of the organization, I direct 436 00:23:49,179 --> 00:23:57,130 the technological growth map of our, of 437 00:23:53,260 --> 00:24:02,679 our IT tools and services and we need to 438 00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:04,660 really be innovative in, in our, in our 439 00:24:02,679 --> 00:24:08,940 offerings in our product and service 440 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:10,750 offerings and some of us in the 441 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:16,179 organization are involved with community 442 00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:18,640 engagement with, with data curation, as 443 00:24:16,179 --> 00:24:22,890 I've mentioned earlier we want to, we are 444 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:25,650 aiming for to become our, we're aiming to 445 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:28,269 come up with the most authoritative 446 00:24:25,650 --> 00:24:29,889 database of all, 447 00:24:28,269 --> 00:24:33,879 to find historical structure. So we, we 448 00:24:29,889 --> 00:24:35,799 ensure that all of the data that we 449 00:24:33,879 --> 00:24:37,899 enter into the Philippine Heritage Map 450 00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:43,509 have been validated properly and 451 00:24:37,899 --> 00:24:46,269 verified by our curators, and, of course 452 00:24:43,509 --> 00:24:50,379 we do have people, we do have certain 453 00:24:46,269 --> 00:24:53,889 people overseeing our financials, and are, 454 00:24:50,379 --> 00:24:57,039 you know all the paperwork that 455 00:24:53,889 --> 00:25:01,679 assistance that's involved with, you know 456 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:07,979 running our administrative activities, 457 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:13,959 operations and events and projects. 458 00:25:07,979 --> 00:25:16,089 And we do training to certain groups. The 459 00:25:13,959 --> 00:25:18,570 rule of thumb that we usually follow as 460 00:25:16,089 --> 00:25:20,979 an organization is we only work with 461 00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:27,929 local organizations that are actually 462 00:25:20,979 --> 00:25:33,579 ready to to commit to providing their, 463 00:25:27,929 --> 00:25:35,919 their own resources to devote to mapping 464 00:25:33,579 --> 00:25:41,559 projects. So what we do as an 465 00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:45,789 organization of course we, we, we, of 466 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:48,129 course, our interface with them. The good 467 00:25:45,789 --> 00:25:49,749 thing with our, but the good thing with 468 00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:55,239 our organization is that, although we are 469 00:25:49,749 --> 00:25:57,999 quite lean we have a very wide 470 00:25:55,239 --> 00:26:00,759 experience in the government sector as 471 00:25:57,999 --> 00:26:03,459 well as the cultural heritage field, so, 472 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:08,289 we are pretty much a seasoned, the bunch 473 00:26:03,459 --> 00:26:10,809 here so we have a, you know, we have the 474 00:26:08,289 --> 00:26:15,729 domain knowledge and skills to deal with, 475 00:26:10,809 --> 00:26:17,919 with, with local government. We understand 476 00:26:15,729 --> 00:26:20,679 the challenges and the hurdles of 477 00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:22,779 dealing with them, you know, with, with 478 00:26:20,679 --> 00:26:24,159 local government units that have, you 479 00:26:22,779 --> 00:26:28,509 know, they have a different culture than 480 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:32,979 us. So our aim is to really interface 481 00:26:28,509 --> 00:26:37,059 with them and be able to collaborate 482 00:26:32,979 --> 00:26:38,739 with them, in spite of the all the 483 00:26:37,059 --> 00:26:40,869 differences that we have with 484 00:26:38,739 --> 00:26:41,720 other organizations. And other institutions 485 00:26:40,869 --> 00:26:44,500 will have different 486 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,670 ideologies, different perspectives about 487 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:52,130 protecting heritage. But we aim to 488 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:54,620 produce something positive, so, through 489 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:59,060 our efforts, that, you know, in providing 490 00:26:54,620 --> 00:27:01,640 them with with capacity and training, 491 00:26:59,060 --> 00:27:04,780 and the tools needed for them to be able 492 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,370 to identify their heritage. They'll able to 493 00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:09,980 come up with something tangible, such as 494 00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:13,520 coming up with their own cultural map of 495 00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:18,380 their town or their city, or simply just 496 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:20,450 providing their, you know, their people, 497 00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:22,550 you know selected people from 498 00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:25,300 there, from from their towns and cities, 499 00:27:22,550 --> 00:27:28,160 with, with awareness and knowledge about 500 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:29,180 their identified heritage more often 501 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,300 than, um... 502 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:35,450 The volunteer sets that we end up the 503 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:39,500 people that we train. They'll even 504 00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:43,850 realize how rich their local 505 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:49,280 heritage is until they actually attend 506 00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:52,070 their training. So our training is, you 507 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:55,150 know, we try to be as holistic as 508 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:58,760 possible with our training materials. 509 00:27:55,150 --> 00:28:02,720 In our training plan, we try to to make sure 510 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,750 that the material is being understood by 511 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,280 all levels of understanding by, you know, 512 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:11,330 by different people who's attending our 513 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,740 training sessions so that they'd be able, 514 00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:17,120 by the end of the training, they'd be 515 00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:20,630 able to actually identify document and 516 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:22,400 manage, and be able to map these heritage 517 00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:24,410 resources in their own towns and cities, 518 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,510 and be able to come up with a cultural 519 00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:33,980 map and then we get to you know to 520 00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:35,840 validate and and and verify their, their 521 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:40,430 map, and upload it on the Philippine 522 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:45,880 heritage map. So, um at any given point, we 523 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:48,860 would train around ten to as much as 40 524 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:52,670 individuals in, in, in a, in a given 525 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:54,640 session it really varies I mean, we, we 526 00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:59,220 can, we would train a 527 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:08,080 a local tourism office or a classroom of 528 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:11,920 architecture students, or a, a, just, you 529 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,770 know, a grassroot community. So yeah 530 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:19,060 pretty much is all about training and 531 00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:22,930 giving them the a certain level of 532 00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:27,670 awareness about about the importance of 533 00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:33,520 protecting heritage, and we also do our 534 00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:37,090 training we try to fit in with certain 535 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:41,440 international frameworks on documenting 536 00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:45,580 and identifying cultural heritage so we 537 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:48,790 don't just, you know provide training 538 00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:51,670 that we just, you know, developed on the 539 00:29:48,790 --> 00:29:53,560 fly. We actually try to adhere to certain 540 00:29:51,670 --> 00:29:59,650 international standards. There are 541 00:29:53,560 --> 00:30:02,920 certain charters developed by UNESCO and 542 00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:06,220 the International Council on Monuments 543 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,740 and Sites that have been, you know, 544 00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:13,950 adopted by several countries around the 545 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:13,950 world, and we try to, you know, we actually... 546 00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:20,860 those frameworks that we apply these 547 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:24,580 services are guidance to our, our 548 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:29,140 training workshops so that, you know, they 549 00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:31,690 do get aligned with, with the, with the 550 00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:34,330 international standards whenever we give 551 00:30:31,690 --> 00:30:38,740 them training on cultural heritage. 552 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:43,230 So yeah that's what we, that that is, that's 553 00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:49,120 our strategy, and that's how we work with 554 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:51,060 groups of people. We have, a over the last 555 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,620 two years we have trained around a 556 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:57,690 little less than three hundred people 557 00:30:53,620 --> 00:31:00,610 already. Okay that's great. So yeah, oh 558 00:30:57,690 --> 00:31:03,220 that's that's that's right that's a 559 00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:04,930 great progress I'd say. Yeah, that's all 560 00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:08,410 over the country by the way, so that 561 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:10,900 comprised people, some people coming from 562 00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:12,940 the northernmost islands in the, in the 563 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:18,220 Philippines, all the way down to the 564 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:21,190 Muslim areas in the South. Okay, in the 565 00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:23,140 final and the last question about 566 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:25,690 collaboration with international 567 00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:27,430 communities like GLAM communities - where 568 00:31:25,690 --> 00:31:30,370 are your plans to, kind of, collaborate 569 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:32,370 and work together as you are already 570 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:36,760 adhering to a lot of international 571 00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:38,350 frameworks. Do you ever, you know, have you 572 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,030 ever planned about collaborating with 573 00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:40,650 the GLAM community and do something 574 00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:46,540 together? 575 00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:49,840 Um.. yeah honestly we haven't exactly 576 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:55,570 given much thought about it though, um... 577 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:59,920 because our focus is really, you know, our 578 00:31:55,570 --> 00:32:02,850 focus right now is to to really help 579 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:06,580 ourselves first, before we can actually 580 00:32:02,850 --> 00:32:07,690 start contributing to the you know to the 581 00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:09,850 international community. 582 00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:13,120 We're very you know we're very grateful 583 00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:15,490 that that we were actually being 584 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,530 assisted by our international partners 585 00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:19,750 like World Monuments fund and Getty 586 00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:27,400 conservation Institute in, you know, in 587 00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:30,460 and, deploying our platform. Our map and 588 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:34,090 our databases are very much publicly 589 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:35,830 accessible anyway. Our images of the 590 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:37,420 of historical structures that are 591 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:38,920 uploaded on the Filipino heritage map 592 00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:41,080 are placed on the Creative Commons and 593 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,290 and at anytime they can be accessed by 594 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:47,130 the open-source community. If we're going 595 00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:50,440 to partner with a GLAM organization 596 00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:53,140 outside the Philippines we would be very 597 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,410 happy to collaborate soon. We just, you 598 00:32:53,140 --> 00:33:01,120 know, looking for the right opportunity 599 00:32:55,410 --> 00:33:03,720 so yeah, that, that is something we still 600 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:07,090 have to figure out how that 601 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,980 collaboration with, with, with a GLAM 602 00:33:07,090 --> 00:33:10,990 organzization outside the Philippines is 603 00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:12,880 going to happen because our focus really 604 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:15,790 is here in the, here in our country for 605 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,040 the meantime. This is great, this is a 606 00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:19,540 really really great work. I was just also 607 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,670 going through your website when you shared 608 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:22,210 these things and I found a lot of very 609 00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:24,670 valuable 610 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:26,740 information, and especially in a 611 00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:29,410 country like yours where, you know, 612 00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:33,640 natural calamities can, can at any point 613 00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:35,590 of time, devastate historic monuments 614 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,410 like this. It's really really important 615 00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:39,760 that they are documented in a more human, 616 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:41,800 and both human and machine readable 617 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,440 forms, and that's something that, that's 618 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,760 very important. And as you as you already 619 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,550 mentioned that you're adhering to the 620 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,260 international standards, I personally 621 00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:52,990 feel that that's very important as well, 622 00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:55,990 because if it can be universally 623 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:58,060 accessible and it's not just about 624 00:33:55,990 --> 00:34:01,090 Philippines but also about the world 625 00:33:58,060 --> 00:34:03,480 knowledge, and and then at any point of 626 00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:06,970 time anyone can access knowledge and 627 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,520 yeah that's that's great. And I'm really 628 00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:13,180 excited to also, kind of go through your 629 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,210 website, learn about it more and see the 630 00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:18,160 possibility of, kind of, helping 631 00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:20,200 communities here with something like 632 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,210 this, because this is very, this is really 633 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,370 really valuable and and we don't have 634 00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:26,920 something. For a country like India we 635 00:34:24,370 --> 00:34:31,690 also face the same problem that you ,you 636 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:34,060 faced there. Right yeah and we're looking 637 00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:37,240 forward to talk to you again, probably 638 00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:39,250 ask you more questions over email, learn 639 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:41,830 about anything tha, that interests me 640 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:44,650 particularly, and also share these things 641 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:46,810 with the wider community. Thank you so 642 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:49,960 much Joel. It was really a pleasure 643 00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:52,390 talking to you. Great to learn about all 644 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,200 this important work that you have been 645 00:34:52,390 --> 00:35:01,120 doing so far. Yeah thank you so much Subha 646 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:04,750 Um it's not it's another every day that 647 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:10,840 I get to share our work on over a 648 00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:15,100 podcast but I'm very honored to, to, to be 649 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:19,900 your guest for this, this edition of your 650 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:23,380 podcast, and I'd be, you know I'd be very 651 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:28,060 glad to hear thoughts from the listeners 652 00:35:23,380 --> 00:35:30,030 of this podcast. If you like to ask me 653 00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:32,110 some more questions about our work 654 00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:34,330 anything that you need to, want to know 655 00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:35,300 about the data that we provide and all 656 00:35:34,330 --> 00:35:37,820 the other services, 657 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:40,070 and if, you know, actually our 658 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:43,840 organization is an accredited service 659 00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:47,840 provider for the platform. If you want to 660 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,520 actually have the same platform that 661 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,330 we're using be deployed in your own 662 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,460 country we'd be ready to help and just 663 00:35:53,330 --> 00:36:00,860 shoot us an email. 664 00:35:55,460 --> 00:36:04,550 (Yeah) you can go to our website of our 665 00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:13,760 organization that's www.grupokalinangan.org 666 00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:17,990 it's wwwz g-r-u-p-o ka-Li-na-ngan-dot 667 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:22,160 org that's actually in Filipino it means 668 00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:23,000 a team culture, mm-hmm yeah, team culture 669 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,360 org 670 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,520 and of course our platform is www open 671 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,720 heritage map org. You can send me an 672 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:35,420 email to Joel dot Aldor, d like dog, 673 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:38,570 at Philippine Heritage Map org 674 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:41,030 For any questions or comments or any 675 00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:44,120 inquiries about us our organization and 676 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:46,240 what we do, and if you need some help I'd 677 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,360 be very glad to hear your thoughts. 678 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:52,610 So, tank you, um, thank you so much again. I 679 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,250 would really love to visit you again in 680 00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:56,570 India one of these days and I'm looking 681 00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:59,390 forward to it again. Yeah 682 00:36:56,570 --> 00:37:01,460 thank you so much again bye-bye. 683 00:36:59,390 --> 00:37:03,830 Have a great day. Thank you have a good 684 00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:05,570 day! Great! So that was Joel Aldor from the 685 00:37:03,830 --> 00:37:07,490 Philippines who is leading a project 686 00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:09,980 called Philippine Heritage Map for 687 00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:12,080 documenting about historical monuments 688 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:14,180 of the country. If you liked this episode 689 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,610 and want to get regular updates about 690 00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:18,710 similar interesting work around openness 691 00:37:16,610 --> 00:37:21,170 across the world, please subscribe below. 692 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:24,430 I'm your host Subhashish, and thank you for 693 00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:24,430 listening to us. Goodbye!