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Mr. Gibbs:
Good afternoon.

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Joining us in today's briefing
to walk through the developments

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of the last sort of 24 to 48
hours down in the Gulf are some

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familiar faces to you all
by now: Carol Browner;

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Admiral Thad Allen --
Retired Admiral Thad Allen;

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as well as NOAA Administrator Dr. Jane Lubchenco,

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who will walk us through and update us on where we are in the

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federal response, walk through an interagency scientific report

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on where the oil is and the process that it's gone through.

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I think you all heard the
President discuss today that --

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and I'll have these guys discuss
sort of where we are in the

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static kill, which is good news,
and it is sort of the beginning

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of the end of the sealing and
containment phase of this operation.

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I want to be, though, very
clear, as the President was,

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that our commitment
to those families,

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to those communities in and
along the Gulf Coast remains the

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same as it always has been.

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We are transitioning and will
transition to a greater focus on

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cleanup and damage assessment.

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There is still
lots of work to do, and this

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government will be here every
step of the way to do that work.

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That's an important
message from the President.

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It's important that it is heard
here, and, as importantly,

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if not more so,
heard in the Gulf.

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So this gives us a chance to
look back at what has happened,

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where we are, as well as to
discuss with you guys where we

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are heading.

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And with that, I will turn this
over to Dr. Lubchenco if I can

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get -- oh, look at that.

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The gizmo worked.

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Dr. Lubchenco:
Thanks, Robert.

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Hello, everyone.

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Today, the federal government
is releasing a new scientific

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analysis that addresses the
question: Where did the oil go?

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This analysis uses the recently
released calculation of 4.9

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million barrels,
plus or minus 10%,

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and includes both direct
measurements as well as the best

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estimates where direct
measurements were not possible.

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The report was produced by
scientific experts from a number

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of different agencies,
federal agencies,

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with peer review of the
calculations that went into this

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by both other federal and
non-federal scientists.

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The conclusions -- key conclusions of the report is

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that the vast majority of the oil has either evaporated or

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been burned, skimmed and
recovered from the wellhead,
or dispersed.

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And much of the dispersed oil
is in the process of relatively

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rapid degradation.

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A significant amount of this
is a direct result of the very

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robust federal response efforts.

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What I'd like to do is just walk
you through the pie chart that

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you see behind us and illustrate
what's in each of these

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different categories.

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A quarter of the
oil, about 1.2 --

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The Press:
We can't hear you.

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Dr. Lubchenco:
Does somebody want to
point while I do this?

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(laughter)

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Or can I point up here?

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How can we do this?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Here, I'll be your professional pointer and you can --

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Dr. Lubchenco:
Okay, thank you.

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Mr. Gibbs:
I'll be Vanna White.

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Dr. Lubchenco:
Okay, Vanna.

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(laughter)

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About a quarter of the oil has
been evaporated or dissolved.

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This is about 1.2
million barrels.

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That happens naturally.

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That's a natural process.

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And much of that happened
as the oil was being
released day to day.

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Moving around, let's go to
the upper right, Robert.

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About 17%, or -- I'm sorry, 827,000 barrels were recovered

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directly from the well site.

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So we know we've got that
number measured directly.

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An additional 5% was burned.

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Another 3% was skimmed.

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In addition to that, 8% of the
oil that was released has been

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chemically dispersed both with
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as well as subsea.

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And so if you total up
those five pie charts --

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direct recovery, burned, skimmed
and chemically dispersed --

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that gives you a sense of what
the results of the federal

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effort have been.

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And it totals about a third
of the total amount of oil

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that has been released.

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Naturally dispersed oil
is also -- accounts for 16%.

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As oil was being released from
the wellhead or from the riser

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pipe, it naturally becomes mixed
in turbulent conditions and

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broken up into small,
microscopic droplets that remain

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-- if they are small enough, they remain below the

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surface of the water.

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And so 16% naturally dispersed;
8% chemically dispersed.

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That oil is in very, very dilute
clouds of microscopic droplets

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beneath the surface.

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That is in the process of being
very rapidly degraded naturally.

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And so Mother Nature is
assisting here considerably.

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So the pieces of the pie chart
that we have looked at directly

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now account for those things
that we can measure directly or

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have very good estimates for.

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The residual, which is the upper
left part of the pie chart,

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is 26%.

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And that's a combination of oil
that is in light sheen at the

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surface, or in tar balls,
or has been washed ashore.

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And much of that has been
recovered by federal cleanup

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efforts and state
cleanup efforts.

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About 37,000 tons of material
have been removed from the

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beaches already and
we'll continue to do so.

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So I think the bottom
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we can account for
all but about 26%.

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And of that, much
of that is being --

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in the process of being degraded
and cleaned up on the shore.

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I think it's important to point
out that at least 50% of the oil

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that was released is now
completely gone from the system.

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And most of the remainder is
degrading rapidly or is being

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removed from the beaches.

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I want to also point out simply
that we continue to have a very

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aggressive effort to understand
more about where the oil was and

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what its fate has been.

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A large number of research
vessels continue to be active in

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the Gulf, and they're underway
to understand the concentrations

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of subsurface oil
and exactly what --

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the rate at which it
is being biodegraded.

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We'll continue to monitor and
sample this oil and report new

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results as they emerge.

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Admiral Allen:
Thank you, Jane.

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Good afternoon.

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The last 24 hours have been
fairly consequential in the life

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cycle of this response.

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I'd like to go over a couple of
things that have transpired.

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After a successful injection
test yesterday allowed us to

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understand the path at which
liquids would go down the well,

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the amount of volume we could
put in the well and the pressure

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readings that we could take at
the various places where the

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gages were placed gave us
confidence we could go ahead.

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And we directed BP to proceed
with the static kill.

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That began yesterday afternoon
and went on throughout the

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evening and into the night and
resulted in the well being

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filled with mud.

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We now have equalized
the pressure --

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the hydrostatic pressure of
the seawater with the pressure

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inside the capping stack, and
basically have reached a static

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condition in the well that
allows us to have high

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confidence that there
will be no oil leaking
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And we have significantly
improved our chances to finally

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kill the well with the relief
wells when that does occur.

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The discussions that are going
on today between the science

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team down in Houston and the BP
engineers are regarding whether

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or not we should follow up the
mud that has been put into the

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wellbore with actual cement.

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And the discussion around that
revolves around what we think

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the status of the drill pipe is:
Is it still where we thought it was?

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Because where that
drill pipe is, is consequential

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in how you put the cement in and
the success of cementing it.

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Those discussions are ongoing.

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We will not make a decision
on that until we've reached a

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resolution on our best estimate
of what the condition of the

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drill pipe is inside the casing.

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Once the decision has
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whether to cement or not, then
the next step will be to finish

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off the relief well.

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As you know, we are about 100
feet away from where we would

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intersect the well and
about four and a half feet

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horizontally away from it.

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We would proceed forward in
anywhere between 10- and 20-foot

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increments, drilling and then
backing out and putting what we

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call a ranging tool in that will
allow us to understand to exact

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detail through a measurement of
the magnetic field of the casing

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how close we were coming.

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We will continue to do that.

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This job will not be complete
until we finish the relief well

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and have pumped the mud in and
cemented it from the bottom,

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or the bottom kill, if you will.

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So this is a very
significant step.

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It's told us a lot more
about the well itself.

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We will learn more in the
discussions today about whether

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or not we need to move to have
cementing as the final portion

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of the static kill.

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But the static kill is only the
preliminary portion to what

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ultimately will be
the bottom kill.

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Regarding response operations,
we continue to aggressively

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pursue the oil that's onshore
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some of the more heavily
impacted areas around Barataria

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Bay to the west of the
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the Chandeleur Islands,
Breton Sound, Pass a Loutre,

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some areas in the
Mississippi Sound.

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We are resolute in our
commitment to continue that

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response and cleanup.

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Our forces are standing by.

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While we look to have an end
to the source of the oil and

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containment, we are redoubling
our efforts to make sure that

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the oil that's out there is
being cleaned up and being

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disposed of as
effectively as possible.

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We will continue to do that,
and we will resolutely hold BP

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accountable until all the oil is
cleaned up and we start moving

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into the recovery phase and the
assessment of damage to the environment.

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Ms. Browner:
As you've heard, it's been
an interesting 24 hours,

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I think making real progress
in terms of getting this well

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finally closed.

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The fact that we are not going
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near term is certainly good news
for the Gulf of Mexico and the communities.

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I think we also have good
information now from our

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scientists in terms
of where the oil went,

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how the oil is behaving.

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But we want to be very, very
clear that this does not mean

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there isn't more to be done.

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There remains a lot to be done.

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While sort of the first phase of
closing the well may be coming

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to an end, there's another
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It's making sure that
these communities,

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the individuals in these
communities, are made whole.

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We are going to continue
to ensure that BP is held

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accountable for the
damage that they did,

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for the economic losses, and
ultimately for the natural

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resource damages and all of the
restoration that will take place

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in the Gulf communities
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Mr. Gibbs:
With that, Ms. Loven.

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The Press:
Yes, this would be I guess both for Carol and for Dr. Lubchenco.

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As I understand it, some outside
scientists have some concerns

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about such a sort of neat and
tidy conclusion to where the oil has gone.

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And I'm wondering
whether it's --

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whether that definitive of a
conclusion is really warranted

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with science, and why you
wouldn't release the pages of

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scientific backup to show
how it was arrived at.

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Dr. Lubchenco:
We believe that these are the best direct measurements or

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estimates that we
have at the moment.

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We have high degree of
confidence in them.

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If new information
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we will continue to
upgrade the estimates,

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as is always the
case in science.

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The numbers that went into
the calculations are
posted on the website.

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Anyone can readily see how
the budget calculator was --

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how the tool was
developed, what's in it,

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what went into each of
those different categories,

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how they are defined,
how it was calculated.

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So we would certainly welcome
others using that tool and

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fact-checking,
running the numbers.

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And I'm pretty sure they'll come
up with the same estimates.

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The Press:
Will you seek new estimates
or is this sort of your last

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attempt to look at where
this amount of oil has gone?

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Dr. Lubchenco:
Well, some of the numbers are clearly not going to change.

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The amount of oil that was
captured from the wellhead we
know.

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The Press:
Right --

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Dr. Lubchenco:
The amount that has been
skimmed and burned is not

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likely to change.

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There's just very little
oil on the surface now.

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There's not much oil that is
visible other than right along

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the shore and on
some of the beaches.

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So those numbers are
not going to change.

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The amount that was chemically
dispersed is not likely to

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change; we're not using
dispersants anymore.

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The amount that was naturally
dispersed is a result of direct

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calculations of how much
turbulence there was and what we

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know about how oil behaves at
different depths under pressure.

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The amount that was evaporated
or dissolved is I think a pretty

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good estimate.

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So the one piece of the pie that
is left after you sum all those

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others is what we're
calling the residual,

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and that's a combination of
things that we cannot measure

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directly or estimate
with confidence.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Just to add to that, I mean,
I think, to mention this --

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Dr. Lubchenco just
mentioned on the residual --

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some of this is oil that, in tar
balls, has, as she said earlier,

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washed up on the beach.

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It's been removed but isn't
measurable because you're

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removing it -- you may
remove this with sand.

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That's the 37,000 tons.

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So some of the 26 is
immeasurable or unknowable.

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Dr. Lubchenco:
I also want to
point out one thing,

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and that is that there are three
categories on your pie chart

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that have a little
asterisk by them --

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residual, naturally and
chemically dispersed.

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And it's important to recognize
that each of those categories is

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being -- the oil in those categories is being degraded,

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naturally degraded.

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And so some of the residual
that might be in marshes,

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for example, or tar balls
is being biodegraded.

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The oil that is beneath
the surface as a result of

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dispersion and these microscopic
droplets is in the process of

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rapid degradation.

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And so what you see on this pie
chart, as Robert indicated,

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is a sum total of where
the oil went over time.

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But it doesn't necessarily
represent what's there at
this moment.

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The Press:
All right.

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And just to follow
up really quickly,

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if any of you all could speak
to what you think the level of

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NOAA's credibility should be on
a conclusion this dramatic --

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potentially pivotal, when there
were points in the process when

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NOAA was insisting the amount
of oil that was leaking or that

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there wasn't any under the
surface that turned out not to be right.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me take that question because it would be unfair to

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say that NOAA had come up with
one number during this process,

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or that NOAA alone
bears responsibility,

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because I think
it's clear that --

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look, throughout the
process of this response,

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we have had the benefit of
greater insight and greater technology.

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So at the beginning of
this event, the explosion,

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the flow rate was measured by
taking pictures of what had

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floated to the surface, okay?

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I think by all accounts -- that happens in the first couple days.

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I think by all accounts even we
would tell you that's not the

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best way to measure
the flow rate.

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But that was the best way we had
at that point to measure the flow rate.

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We know that as a result of
adding remotely operated

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vehicles to the site, we had
the benefit of somewhat cloudy,

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two-dimensional video.

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Throughout the process, that
video was enhanced and upgraded

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to the point where we
had, as you all remember,

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we went from the cloudier to the
much clearer two-dimensional video.

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But, again, even the
two-dimensional video is hard to

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estimate because you just simply
don't know the depth of that plume.

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Lastly, based on the pressure
test that we required BP to

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take, we were able to add
instrumentation on --

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at the point at these caps
that allowed us to measure the

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pressure both inside and
directly outside of the caps and

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the blowout preventer, which
gave us, quite frankly,

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a better scientific measure.

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I've used this analogy before,
but I think I want to take one

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more time to do this.

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It is important to understand
that this event happened

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5, 000 feet below the surface at
a well that was several miles

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below that 5,000-foot point.

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It is measuring -- we were measuring the flow rate

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basically of an opened Coke can 5,000 feet below the ocean using

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the best available technology that we had at the time without

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the benefit of knowing
how big the Coke can was.

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The Press:
Right, but you're now
measuring something --

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Mr. Gibbs:
That's always --

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The Press:
-- very complicated again --

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Mr. Gibbs:
Right.

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The Press:
-- and saying that you have
a definitive answer now.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Using -- but -- and I don't think any of us would sit up

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here and tell you that we're using the same instrumentation

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or information that was available to us on day one on

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day 106 because that simply hasn't been the case with the

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flow rate, and it hasn't been the case with any of this.

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I will say this, to build off of
the last question that you had,

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Jennifer, NOAA will continue to
make measurements of the water

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and monitor what is
happening in the Gulf,

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just as the EPA will continue
to monitor air and water for

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dispersants and for air quality
as it's related to burns.

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That -- the testing
will continue,

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but our information and our instrumentation has at each step

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in this process gotten better simply because when we started

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this, we didn't have a picture of what was going on down 5,000

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below the ocean.

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We added pictures.

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We added enhanced pictures.

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We added pressure readings.

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All of that allows you to get
a much clearer and much more

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precise picture of
what's going on.

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Ms. Browner:
Can I just add another point?

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This has all been -- as
Dr. Lubchenco said --

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been subjected to a
scientific protocol,

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which means you peer review,
peer review and peer review.

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You look at what the inputs are.

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You look at what the models are.

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All of this has
been made available.

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And so this has been a
government-wide effort,

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but it wasn't just government
scientists who looked at this.

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You reached out to the
academic community,

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had them look at this as the
models were being developed.

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And as Robert just said
and as Jane said herself,

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we may get more
information, for example,

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about the residuals such that
some of that may fit into

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another part of the pie chart.

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But what we have tried to do
from the beginning is as we have

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numbers make them available
knowing that they may change.

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I think in this instance
there could be some change --

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the likelihood of
large-scale changes is very,

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very small because we have so
much certainty in some of the numbers.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Look, I don't think you
can -- we wouldn't --

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and I don't think you could
certainly dismiss the role that

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Mother Nature has played.

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And you can see the role that
it's played in this pie chart.

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And, look, would we be talking
about a fundamentally different

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scenario in Alaska than we would
in the warm waters of the Gulf?

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Absolutely.

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But that has to be taken
into account in the natural

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degradation and evaporation
process that is a result of an

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environment, quite frankly,
that is not the same as Prince

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William Sound in Alaska.

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Yes, ma'am.

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The Press:
For the oil that's been dissolved or dispersed,

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I understand that you're
saying it's degraded.

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But how can you be sure that it
really isn't a threat any more

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to the wildlife?

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Dr. Lubchenco:
No one is saying that it's
not a threat any more.

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The oil that has been completely
degraded isn't because when it

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is biodegraded it ends up being
water and carbon dioxide.

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So if it has been
biodegraded, if it's gone,

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then it's not a threat.

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Oil that is in microscopic
droplets that is still there may

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be toxic to any of the small
creatures under the water that

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are encountered --
that it encounters.

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And even in very small
droplets it is -- can be toxic.

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We do remain concerned and are
actively studying the overall

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impact that both the oil at the
surface and the oil subsurface

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has had on the entire
ecosystem of the Gulf.

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The oil that is beneath the
surface is in the process of

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very rapid degradation.

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It's disappearing very quickly.

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It is very dilute.

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As you go farther and
farther from the wellhead,

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the small microscopic droplets
of oil are very quickly diluted

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into parts per million -- parts per million, that's very, very dilute.

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And farther away from the
wellhead, it's even more dilute.

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But diluted and out of sight
doesn't necessarily mean benign.

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And we remain concerned
about the long-term impacts,

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both on the marshes
and the wildlife,

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but also beneath the surface,
and are actively studying that,

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both as part of our federal
response and in partnership with

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much of the academic community
that is also very interested in

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the overall long-term
impacts of this.

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Mr. Gibbs:
And Caren, again, to mention, again, the EPA will --

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has done two rounds
of toxicity tests.

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They will continue to monitor
and do testing, as will NOAA,

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in order for us to continue
to monitor and get a better understanding.

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Yunji.

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The Press:
Robert, back in May,
Tony Hayward said,

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"The Gulf of Mexico
is a very big ocean;

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the amount of volume of oil and
dispersant we are putting into

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it is tiny in relation to
the total water volume."

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After he said that, the
President said that he would

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have fired Mr. Hayward since
he said those comments.

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Now it appears that Mr. Hayward
may in fact have been right.

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Does the administration
owe him an apology?

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Mr. Gibbs:
No.

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(laughter)

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I don't think he was right.

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The Press:
You don't think he was right?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I mean, let's understand that a third of what is captured was

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based on -- directly on a containment strategy that had to

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be constructed.

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And I'll say this, a containment
strategy that we pushed BP

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forward on, that we pushed BP to
accelerate in order to capture

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the oil that was leaking.

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Nobody owes Tony
Hayward an apology.

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BP has responsibilities and
obligations as the responsible

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polluting party
in this instance.

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Our government will ensure
that the obligations and

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responsibilities that BP has
continue to be met to our satisfaction.

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The apology that is owed by -- any apology that is owed is to

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the disruption to the
lives of families, fishermen,

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hotel owners, people that grew up in and understand the beauty

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that is the Gulf of Mexico.

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That's the apology.

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The Press:
How much of the successes today that you're laying out for us is

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attributable to BP, and how
much to the federal government?

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Do you think that you had
to push BP to get here?

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I see you're nodding your head.

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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, again -- again, I think
if you go back and look at the

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directives signed by Admiral Allen to various people in the

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corporate structure at BP, we asked for and demanded that

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particularly their containment
strategy be accelerated.

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We asked for and demanded that
not one relief well be drilled,

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but two, in order to ensure an
amount of redundancy in the

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system that would allow
for a mistake or an error.

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I think that the response as it
is would have been different had

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Admiral Allen and
others -- Carol, Jane,

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the scientific team,
Secretary Chu --

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not pushed at every step of the
way for BP to do things more

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comprehensively and faster.

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The Press:
I think all of you mentioned
the last 24 hours have

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been eventful.

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We haven't yet heard how the
President was informed of this.

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I know if maybe,
Carol, you briefed him.

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Was this a phone call to him?

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Was there something in person?

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What was the moment where the
President saw that maybe this

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part of the -- this phase had succeeded, and what was his reaction?

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Ms. Browner:
The President is briefed virtually every day and has been

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from the beginning.

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00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:18,163
I speak to him virtually every
day, either through a memo,

472
00:27:18,166 --> 00:27:20,166
or most days I
actually meet with him.

473
00:27:20,166 --> 00:27:21,936
Mr. Gibbs:
Today was actually the first
day he was happy to see her.

474
00:27:21,934 --> 00:27:23,934
(laughter)

475
00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:27,234
Ms. Browner:
He thanked me for
his birthday present.

476
00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:31,363
Last night after I got off the
call with our scientists and

477
00:27:31,367 --> 00:27:34,897
Admiral Allen, I suggested to
the President that it would be

478
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:36,200
important to talk to our
scientific team that was in --

479
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,000
that are in Houston.

480
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,270
He got on the phone with
Dr. Chu, with Dr. Hunter,

481
00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:42,966
who walked him sort of through
where the static kill was and

482
00:27:42,967 --> 00:27:44,397
what might occur.

483
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,930
I then briefed him
again this morning.

484
00:27:46,934 --> 00:27:49,804
But he has been kept informed
and up to date at every turn.

485
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,730
The Press:
What time was that call?

486
00:27:50,734 --> 00:27:53,434
Ms. Browner:
The call was approximately
6:30 p.m., 7:00 p.m.

487
00:27:53,433 --> 00:27:55,263
We released a photo from it.

488
00:27:55,266 --> 00:27:56,466
So approximately
6:30 p.m. or 7:00 p.m.

489
00:27:56,467 --> 00:28:00,837
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, and again, we met with him at 10:00 a.m. this morning to

490
00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:01,534
give him an update.

491
00:28:01,533 --> 00:28:02,203
I'm sure that --

492
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,630
Ms. Browner:
And the Admiral saw
him at about 10:30 a.m.

493
00:28:05,633 --> 00:28:07,033
Mr. Gibbs:
10:30 a.m., yes.

494
00:28:07,033 --> 00:28:09,163
And I'm sure he will continue to
get updates throughout the day,

495
00:28:09,166 --> 00:28:15,266
as Admiral Allen said, as the
scientific team continues its

496
00:28:15,266 --> 00:28:18,036
meetings -- Secretary Chu
and others down there talking

497
00:28:18,033 --> 00:28:21,203
directly with the President.

498
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,900
Chip.

499
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:22,930
The Press:
It's still a lot of oil.

500
00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:27,004
I think that the residual -- I think that's still about four to

501
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,030
five times the amount that leaked from the Exxon Valdez --

502
00:28:30,033 --> 00:28:30,703
Mr. Gibbs:
Absolutely.

503
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,730
The Press:
So, I mean, you're
still talking --

504
00:28:32,734 --> 00:28:34,734
is it still possible
that it could get into --

505
00:28:34,734 --> 00:28:36,604
and I know some of it's
in the 37,000 gallons -- right,

506
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,400
right, right -- but it's still a monumental amount of oil.

507
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,300
Is it still possible
that it could --

508
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:45,630
Mr. Gibbs:
Let's be clear, Chip, this is the largest release of oil into

509
00:28:45,633 --> 00:28:49,033
water in the United States in
the history of our country.

510
00:28:49,033 --> 00:28:50,033
The Press:
But could we still have a scenario where it gets into the

511
00:28:50,033 --> 00:28:52,963
Loop Current, hits Florida
beaches, goes around Florida,

512
00:28:52,967 --> 00:28:55,297
or in a hurricane
gets driven ashore --

513
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,530
Mr. Gibbs:
I think the original scenario was off the coast of Delaware

514
00:28:58,533 --> 00:29:02,463
and halfway to England by
September, if I'm not mistaken.

515
00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:08,337
I'll let scientists discuss
-- except you're the only scientist.

516
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:08,763
(laughter)

517
00:29:08,767 --> 00:29:13,567
Dr. Lubchenco:
There is a negligible amount
of oil still at the surface.

518
00:29:13,567 --> 00:29:20,267
The Loop Current is
currently not in the Gulf.

519
00:29:20,266 --> 00:29:22,696
It is going pretty
much directly --

520
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:26,600
it comes up between the
Yucatan Peninsula and Cuba.

521
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,100
And it goes pretty much directly
into the Florida Strait.

522
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:35,300
So it is not in a position to
transport any oil, number one.

523
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:36,530
The Press:
It's going to stay where it is?

524
00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:40,503
Dr. Lubchenco:
It may connect eventually, but the real point is that there's

525
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,700
no oil for it to be picking up.

526
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:50,730
The oil that was at the surface
has pretty much either been

527
00:29:50,734 --> 00:29:53,434
naturally degraded or removed.

528
00:29:53,433 --> 00:29:55,333
The Press:
Are there subsurface
currents, too?

529
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:55,863
Dr. Lubchenco:
There are -- pardon me?

530
00:29:55,867 --> 00:29:57,197
The Press:
Aren't there subsurface
currents too?

531
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,330
Dr. Lubchenco:
The Loop Current does have
both a surface expression and a

532
00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:02,433
subsurface expression.

533
00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:08,233
But the oil that is -- we do
not expect the Loop Current to

534
00:30:08,233 --> 00:30:13,963
become in its classic form, i.e., going into the Gulf,

535
00:30:13,967 --> 00:30:17,967
for a number of
weeks, if not months.

536
00:30:17,967 --> 00:30:21,867
And the rate at which the oil
that is subsurface is being

537
00:30:21,867 --> 00:30:27,697
naturally biodegraded is such
that there's virtually no threat

538
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,430
to the Keys or to the
East Coast remaining.

539
00:30:31,433 --> 00:30:34,263
The Press:
And hurricane danger?

540
00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:36,266
Of it being pushed ashore?

541
00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:41,736
Dr. Lubchenco:
Again, because there is so little oil at the surface and

542
00:30:41,734 --> 00:30:46,504
the oil beneath the surface
is so highly dilute,

543
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:51,470
the largest concern from a
hurricane would be the hurricane

544
00:30:51,467 --> 00:30:58,267
itself, the power of the winds,
the power of the storm surge,

545
00:30:58,266 --> 00:31:00,736
should that happen.

546
00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:04,634
In most hurricanes that
happen in coastal waters,

547
00:31:04,633 --> 00:31:11,863
there is some leaking of oil as
a result of fuel tanks being

548
00:31:11,867 --> 00:31:17,567
breached, ship docks
being impacted.

549
00:31:17,567 --> 00:31:23,237
So the likelihood that a
hurricane would be affecting

550
00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:27,533
coastal areas with petroleum
contamination is part of what

551
00:31:27,533 --> 00:31:34,563
FEMA and states normally have to
deal with as part of a hurricane response.

552
00:31:34,567 --> 00:31:42,897
There is no additional, at this
point, real concern with respect

553
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:46,500
to any of the Deepwater Horizon
oil relative to any hurricanes.

554
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,070
Mr. Gibbs:
Wendell.

555
00:31:48,066 --> 00:31:50,736
The Press:
Doctor, what's the difference between naturally dispersed oil

556
00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:52,934
and that that is dissolved?

557
00:31:52,934 --> 00:31:54,504
One question.

558
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:59,130
And two, what do all of these
findings mean for shrimpers and fishermen?

559
00:31:59,133 --> 00:32:04,933
When can they get back to work?

560
00:32:04,934 --> 00:32:10,804
Dr. Lubchenco:
Dissolving simply means taking something that is in a more

561
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,070
solid form and making it liquid.

562
00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:20,296
So if you put a teaspoon of
sugar into your coffee or your

563
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,770
teacup, it dissolves.

564
00:32:21,767 --> 00:32:24,897
And that's what happens
naturally to some of the oil.

565
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,730
It is dissolved,
meaning that it is --

566
00:32:28,734 --> 00:32:30,034
it still is hydrocarbon --

567
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:31,633
The Press:
And that's different
than being dispersed?

568
00:32:31,633 --> 00:32:36,463
Dr. Lubchenco:
Dispersed means broken up
from large chunks into smaller

569
00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:38,937
chunks, if you will.

570
00:32:38,934 --> 00:32:43,264
So the dispersed oil is just
little tiny droplets that then

571
00:32:43,266 --> 00:32:45,566
remain beneath the surface.

572
00:32:45,567 --> 00:32:48,497
The Press:
One less threatening
than the other?

573
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,470
Dr. Lubchenco:
No, they're pretty comparable.

574
00:32:50,467 --> 00:32:55,237
The Press:
So what does this mean for fishermen and shrimpers?

575
00:32:55,233 --> 00:33:05,103
Dr. Lubchenco:
As you know, part of the federal response has been to make

576
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,370
protecting the quality of
seafood that gets to American

577
00:33:07,367 --> 00:33:09,337
consumers one of the
highest priorities.

578
00:33:09,333 --> 00:33:12,463
To do that, our first line
of defense has been to close

579
00:33:12,467 --> 00:33:14,937
federal waters to fishing
where there has been oil,

580
00:33:14,934 --> 00:33:21,464
or where we anticipated it might
be as it was being moved by

581
00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:25,497
currents and by the winds.

582
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:30,800
At one point, about 36%
of the Gulf was closed --

583
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,870
of the federal waters in the
Gulf were closed to fishing.

584
00:33:34,867 --> 00:33:37,597
Last -- was it last week
that we announced --

585
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,700
recently, we announced opening
of a third of that area,

586
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:47,100
so there is still a sizeable
area that is closed to fishing

587
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,100
in federal waters.

588
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:54,000
To determine whether
areas are safe to reopen,

589
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,800
we have a very specific protocol
that NOAA and the Food and Drug

590
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,500
Administration and the Gulf
States have all agreed upon.

591
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:10,100
That involves actively testing
seafood for contaminants and

592
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:15,030
only when they pass
those tests is an area --

593
00:34:15,033 --> 00:34:17,003
can an area be reopened.

594
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,170
So the first goal here is to
protect the quality of the

595
00:34:21,166 --> 00:34:25,966
seafood, make sure that no
contaminated seafood gets into

596
00:34:25,967 --> 00:34:31,667
the markets, to
restaurants or whatever.

597
00:34:31,667 --> 00:34:42,237
The consequence to
shrimpers and to fishermen
remains to be calculated.

598
00:34:42,233 --> 00:34:46,563
Clearly, there has been very
significant disruption to them,

599
00:34:46,567 --> 00:34:49,737
to their livelihoods.

600
00:34:49,734 --> 00:34:55,064
And our hope is to get them back
fishing as soon as possible,

601
00:34:55,066 --> 00:34:57,796
but only when it's safe for
them to be doing so and for the

602
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,370
seafood that they're
catching to be edible.

603
00:35:01,367 --> 00:35:06,767
The Press:
So there's really no reassurance for them in today's findings?

604
00:35:06,767 --> 00:35:09,867
Dr. Lubchenco:
I think the reassurance is
that most of the oil is

605
00:35:09,867 --> 00:35:12,167
gone from the surface.

606
00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:15,366
And so we can proceed with
following the reopening

607
00:35:15,367 --> 00:35:18,197
protocols as
rapidly as possible.

608
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:26,300
We will do that carefully and
in partnership with the states.

609
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,730
The states regulate what
happens in state waters.

610
00:35:28,734 --> 00:35:30,264
I want to be clear about this.

611
00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:40,696
The federal government is only
responsible for federal waters.

612
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:44,700
And the impact to fishermen is
obviously quite considerable and

613
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:47,730
is of serious
concern to all of us.

614
00:35:47,734 --> 00:35:53,234
And that's part of the federal
effort to address and to hold BP

615
00:35:53,233 --> 00:36:00,563
accountable for the consequence
of this to those -- to the fishermen.

616
00:36:00,567 --> 00:36:03,167
Mr. Gibbs:
Chuck.

617
00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:06,236
The Press:
Only 8% chemically dispersed.

618
00:36:06,233 --> 00:36:08,563
Are you going to revisit the use
of these chemical dispersants

619
00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:13,337
considering that, A, it only
accounted for 8% of getting rid

620
00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:18,463
of it, and B, the concerns that
are out there among some health

621
00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:22,397
organizations and some
scientists about the effects of

622
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,300
these dispersants?

623
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:24,830
Admiral Allen:
Thanks, Chuck.

624
00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:26,864
As you know, this has been a
topic that's been discussed

625
00:36:26,867 --> 00:36:28,397
extensively over the
last couple of months.

626
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,330
As we got into the spill, we
were using preexisting protocols

627
00:36:32,333 --> 00:36:34,533
that are authorized under law
for the use of dispersants,

628
00:36:34,533 --> 00:36:37,403
so the use of dispersants
is not illegal.

629
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,770
It is consistent with schedules
that are put out by EPA.

630
00:36:40,767 --> 00:36:43,267
But it became very apparent
early on that the amount that we

631
00:36:43,266 --> 00:36:46,166
were using was far more
than was ever anticipated.

632
00:36:46,166 --> 00:36:49,766
And we had to start to move into
the subsea category to try and

633
00:36:49,767 --> 00:36:52,197
control the oil at the source.

634
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,030
There was extensive consultation
between myself and Lisa Jackson.

635
00:36:55,033 --> 00:36:57,563
Jane Lubchenco has
been involved in it.

636
00:36:57,567 --> 00:37:00,637
That resulted in a 25th of May
agreement to reduce dispersant

637
00:37:00,633 --> 00:37:04,063
use by 75%; as of the
time the well was capped,

638
00:37:04,066 --> 00:37:05,896
we had reduced it 72%.

639
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,030
We didn't know that there would
have to be exceptions where you

640
00:37:08,033 --> 00:37:11,603
had oil that was going to have a
dramatic impact should it come

641
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,300
ashore, that you could
not burn or skim --

642
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:16,570
there was no other
way to deal with it.

643
00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:19,267
On the 22nd of June, I agreed
with Lisa Jackson we would put

644
00:37:19,266 --> 00:37:22,836
somebody from EPA into the
review process down at the

645
00:37:22,834 --> 00:37:24,064
Unified Area Command.

646
00:37:24,066 --> 00:37:26,496
And we continue to work
this problem going forward.

647
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:30,100
Just prior to the capping
stack being put on,

648
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:34,670
I convened a conference call
with Jane, Lisa Jackson,

649
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:36,697
Marcia McNutt and some other
folks to talk about the

650
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,470
interplay between
skimming, burning,

651
00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:41,797
use of dispersants and the
tools that are available to our

652
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,200
commanders that are out there.

653
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,570
We have never had to use these
tools on the order of magnitude

654
00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:46,967
they were employed
during this response.

655
00:37:46,967 --> 00:37:49,667
I think a very thoughtful
analysis of how they were

656
00:37:49,667 --> 00:37:53,597
employed, the effectiveness
that was achieved,

657
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,400
is going to be
necessary going forward.

658
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,230
And we, in fact, had started to
engage in that discussion while

659
00:37:56,233 --> 00:37:58,703
the spill was going on.

660
00:37:58,700 --> 00:37:59,600
The well has been capped.

661
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,870
There's no oil out
there right now.

662
00:38:00,867 --> 00:38:02,067
The questions remain.

663
00:38:02,066 --> 00:38:04,436
And I think any commission work
or any follow-on work needs to

664
00:38:04,433 --> 00:38:07,803
take a look at the relative
effectiveness of all those tools

665
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,100
and should guide future policy.

666
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,830
The Press:
But it sounds like the idea
of maybe chemical dispersants,

667
00:38:10,834 --> 00:38:13,804
considering what
they accounted for,

668
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000
maybe can easily be avoided?

669
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,630
Admiral Allen:
Well, I don't think we ought to jump to that conclusion because

670
00:38:18,633 --> 00:38:22,003
oil is very toxic.

671
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,270
And there are times when you
cannot skim and you cannot burn,

672
00:38:25,266 --> 00:38:27,736
and you have to make a decision
on how you're going to deal with that.

673
00:38:27,734 --> 00:38:31,034
And those are tactical decisions
our commanders make on the scene.

674
00:38:31,033 --> 00:38:32,803
Mr. Gibbs:
Let me just add a little
context to this because, Chuck,

675
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,130
we spend a lot of time in here
and you all spend a lot of time

676
00:38:35,133 --> 00:38:39,003
covering not enough
skimmers, right?

677
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,470
So it's almost three times the
amount of oil was chemically

678
00:38:42,467 --> 00:38:44,767
dispersed as was skimmed,
despite the fact that we were --

679
00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:49,097
and we now have I
think on the order of,

680
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:53,070
probably in the region somewhere
between 700 and 800 skimmers, right?

681
00:38:53,066 --> 00:38:58,266
So 8% may not sound like a lot.

682
00:38:58,266 --> 00:39:02,196
The amount -- again, we were using this also at a subsea --

683
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,230
at the wellhead in a way that
hadn't been used before.

684
00:39:05,233 --> 00:39:09,863
In terms of the toxicity, I'll
reiterate what I said earlier --

685
00:39:09,867 --> 00:39:13,167
and we'll send this
around to everybody.

686
00:39:13,166 --> 00:39:17,236
On Monday, the EPA put out the
second of its toxicity tests on

687
00:39:17,233 --> 00:39:20,163
oil dispersants.

688
00:39:20,166 --> 00:39:25,966
The tests showed that what they
found was no more toxic than the oil.

689
00:39:25,967 --> 00:39:32,567
So the notion that you didn't
have huge amounts of it washing

690
00:39:32,567 --> 00:39:35,237
up at Port St. Joe, or --

691
00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:37,803
The Press:
Yes, but there has been a concern that dispersant and oil

692
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,830
together actually can
-- there's been some --

693
00:39:41,834 --> 00:39:45,334
and I know that it's not been
government scientists that said

694
00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:46,903
this concern that the
combination actually could be more --

695
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:52,230
Mr. Gibbs:
And that concern has --
is why EPA tested before,

696
00:39:52,233 --> 00:39:54,733
tested and released
those results on Monday,

697
00:39:54,734 --> 00:40:00,204
which showed that despite a hypothesis that that plus the

698
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,370
oil might increase the toxicity, that was found not to be true.

699
00:40:03,367 --> 00:40:08,597
And EPA will continue to monitor
the area as we go forward so

700
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,030
that we have a better
understanding of
what's going on.

701
00:40:12,033 --> 00:40:14,433
Admiral Allen:
And Chuck, that test specifically focused on mixing

702
00:40:14,433 --> 00:40:17,303
the oil with the dispersants and
found out that it was the more

703
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,070
greater toxicity.

704
00:40:19,066 --> 00:40:21,136
The Press:
And the moratorium, the
drilling moratorium.

705
00:40:21,133 --> 00:40:24,833
Considering where we are now,
any consideration being given by

706
00:40:24,834 --> 00:40:27,904
the administration to speed up
the lifting of this moratorium?

707
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:29,870
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, we talked about this this morning, and I think it is --

708
00:40:29,867 --> 00:40:31,137
I think we should
be clear about this.

709
00:40:31,133 --> 00:40:33,633
The President -- this is a -- the President put in place a

710
00:40:33,633 --> 00:40:36,533
temporary deepwater
drilling moratorium.

711
00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:44,603
I've said, and he has said, this
was not and is not intended to

712
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,330
be a permanent ban on
deepwater drilling.

713
00:40:47,333 --> 00:40:49,903
But the President I think has
laid out a series of fairly

714
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:54,470
common-sense tests that he
believes have to be met.

715
00:40:54,467 --> 00:40:58,137
What happened?

716
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:02,363
Do we have a full understanding
of what in this well went wrong?

717
00:41:02,367 --> 00:41:04,137
How do we ensure,
understanding that,

718
00:41:04,133 --> 00:41:07,503
that it never happens again?

719
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,370
In other words, was this
a one-off event based on

720
00:41:10,367 --> 00:41:13,667
circumstances at this well?

721
00:41:13,667 --> 00:41:17,837
Was this a problem with
technology that exists on wells

722
00:41:17,834 --> 00:41:19,834
throughout the Gulf?

723
00:41:19,834 --> 00:41:20,934
How do we understand that?

724
00:41:20,934 --> 00:41:25,304
And then thirdly, ensuring that
companies that are undertaking

725
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:30,270
what we know is a risky venture
5,000 feet below the ocean,

726
00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:33,736
making sure that these companies
have a containment plan that's

727
00:41:33,734 --> 00:41:37,834
commensurate with the type of
activity they're undertaking.

728
00:41:37,834 --> 00:41:40,104
The Press:
So, in short, no plans
to speed up any --

729
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,030
Mr. Gibbs:
Hold on, let me finish.

730
00:41:41,033 --> 00:41:47,663
So once all three
of those can be met,

731
00:41:47,667 --> 00:41:48,297
the President will
lift that moratorium.

732
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:52,500
And if those conditions can be
met before the end of November,

733
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,430
we'd certainly happily do that.

734
00:41:54,433 --> 00:41:57,163
We just want to ensure, from a
very common-sense standpoint,

735
00:41:57,166 --> 00:42:01,236
that those conditions
and those tests are,

736
00:42:01,233 --> 00:42:04,433
to the best of the
ability of those involved,

737
00:42:04,433 --> 00:42:06,063
understood and accounted for.

738
00:42:06,066 --> 00:42:10,166
And, again, I think
-- I'd go back to --

739
00:42:10,166 --> 00:42:13,936
all the weeks now tend
to blur together --

740
00:42:13,934 --> 00:42:16,934
but the oil companies with
drilling permits in the Gulf

741
00:42:16,934 --> 00:42:25,064
have discussed and made mention
of both a fund and a more

742
00:42:25,066 --> 00:42:30,266
comprehensive series of
plans to contain the oil.

743
00:42:30,266 --> 00:42:32,436
That's a good step in
the right direction.

744
00:42:32,433 --> 00:42:33,863
I will say this.

745
00:42:33,867 --> 00:42:35,637
Remember, when we were
discussing this in the very

746
00:42:35,633 --> 00:42:38,803
beginning, the advent of
the oil moratorium would be,

747
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,930
every one of these rigs
would go somewhere else.

748
00:42:40,934 --> 00:42:45,664
That also, in the numbers in
which those predictions were

749
00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:47,867
made, those numbers have
not come to fruition.

750
00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:49,697
The Press:
I have a non-spill question.

751
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:50,330
You want me to wait?

752
00:42:50,333 --> 00:42:52,103
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, we'll go ahead.

753
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:52,870
The Press:
Thanks.

754
00:42:52,867 --> 00:42:54,997
I'd like to get to how this
report will be used as the basis

755
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,430
for the legal case against BP.

756
00:42:58,433 --> 00:43:02,633
For example, the 827,000 barrels
of oil recovered at the well

757
00:43:02,633 --> 00:43:04,933
site, will that form
the basis of the fines?

758
00:43:04,934 --> 00:43:07,534
Will BP be fined for that oil?

759
00:43:07,533 --> 00:43:11,303
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I will say --
I'm going to leave --

760
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:13,630
we only have one scientist and
we have no lawyers that I know

761
00:43:13,633 --> 00:43:14,933
of -- are you a lawyer?

762
00:43:14,934 --> 00:43:15,704
I'm sorry.

763
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:17,800
(laughter)

764
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,130
The Press:
I went to law school.

765
00:43:18,133 --> 00:43:18,833
Mr. Gibbs:
I'm sorry.

766
00:43:18,834 --> 00:43:21,304
Well, are you a
lawyer or an attorney?

767
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:22,500
The Press:
I'm not a Justice
Department attorney.

768
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:23,570
(laughter)

769
00:43:23,567 --> 00:43:25,837
Mr. Gibbs:
I'll leave the legal questions up to the Department of Justice.

770
00:43:25,834 --> 00:43:29,364
Understand that the law provides
for and Justice will go through

771
00:43:29,367 --> 00:43:37,437
the process of adjudicating -- the law calls for a per-barrel

772
00:43:37,433 --> 00:43:45,063
fine I think of up to -- I think it's $4,300 per barrel per day

773
00:43:45,066 --> 00:43:49,736
that BP could be -- that
BP will be liable for.

774
00:43:49,734 --> 00:43:52,704
They'll get a -- they are getting bills from us on --

775
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:54,900
for cleanup activities now.

776
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:59,400
They will get a bill and a
penalty for the amount of

777
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,630
pollution emitted into the Gulf.

778
00:44:00,633 --> 00:44:03,363
They will also be on the hook
for natural resource damage

779
00:44:03,367 --> 00:44:06,337
assessments for the
damage that's been done,

780
00:44:06,333 --> 00:44:10,603
as well as the $20 billion
that's in the escrow fund to

781
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:17,430
compensate for the economic
claims of the damage.

782
00:44:17,433 --> 00:44:20,963
The Press:
You cite a variety of scientists who participated in preparing

783
00:44:20,967 --> 00:44:21,637
this report.

784
00:44:21,633 --> 00:44:27,863
Did some of BP's own scientists
or any from the oil industry participate?

785
00:44:27,867 --> 00:44:33,237
Dr. Lubchenco:
The names of all of the people who participated in the report

786
00:44:33,233 --> 00:44:36,803
and the calculations that went
into it are listed in the

787
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,670
report, so you can
actually look at them.

788
00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:45,197
There were individuals from the
oil industry who did some of the

789
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:51,670
peer review, but they were
not involved in the original calculations.

790
00:44:51,667 --> 00:44:53,297
Mr. Gibbs:
Do you have some
numbers you want to --

791
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,030
Ms. Browner:
I've been doing math back here.

792
00:44:56,033 --> 00:45:00,663
Dr. Lubchenco:
So the question was the amount that was chemically dispersed,

793
00:45:00,667 --> 00:45:07,837
which is the 8% figure that's
here, is a little over 400,000 barrels.

794
00:45:07,834 --> 00:45:09,664
That's what that equates to.

795
00:45:09,667 --> 00:45:14,467
And that's about twice the size
of the Exxon Valdez spill,

796
00:45:14,467 --> 00:45:18,237
just to give you a sense,
just to put that in context.

797
00:45:18,233 --> 00:45:19,403
Mr. Gibbs:
Mark.

798
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,830
The Press:
Admiral Allen, are you able to answer Robert's question about

799
00:45:22,834 --> 00:45:25,104
what went wrong at the well?

800
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:30,300
Do you yet have an understanding
of what happened that caused all

801
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:34,930
this and how other
drillers can avoid it?

802
00:45:34,934 --> 00:45:38,004
Admiral Allen:
Well, most of that will be the result of the Marine Board of

803
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Investigation that's currently
being convened in New Orleans.

804
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,700
That's jointly by Homeland
Security and Department of Interior.

805
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:45,330
That is ongoing and I would
refer any questions to that.

806
00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:49,133
Obviously, as we look at
controlling the well itself,

807
00:45:49,133 --> 00:45:54,003
we're going to find out where
the drill pipe is at and what

808
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,170
the condition of the pipe is.

809
00:45:55,166 --> 00:45:56,066
We don't know exactly
where it's at,

810
00:45:56,066 --> 00:45:57,036
and that's kind of the subject
of some of the discussions today

811
00:45:57,033 --> 00:45:58,303
about how the cementing
should proceed.

812
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,470
We don't know exactly the
condition of the annulus.

813
00:46:00,467 --> 00:46:03,867
We are going to have to take the
blowout preventer off and take a

814
00:46:03,867 --> 00:46:04,467
look at it.

815
00:46:04,467 --> 00:46:06,797
So I think it's all a story
that's still unfolding.

816
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,370
By the time we finish the static
kill and the bottom kill,

817
00:46:09,367 --> 00:46:10,497
we'll know more about it.

818
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,570
But I'm not sure we'll have a
definitive answer until those

819
00:46:12,567 --> 00:46:13,937
other actions are taken.

820
00:46:13,934 --> 00:46:15,834
The Press:
Do you have an idea?

821
00:46:15,834 --> 00:46:17,064
Admiral Allen:
I wouldn't want to speculate.

822
00:46:17,066 --> 00:46:18,396
Mr. Gibbs:
Roger.

823
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,200
The Press:
Yes, early on in the spill, government scientists said that

824
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,670
the effects of the spill would
linger for I think it was around

825
00:46:27,667 --> 00:46:30,497
10 years or something like
that -- some big number.

826
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,030
As a result of the evaporation
and the collection and stuff

827
00:46:33,033 --> 00:46:35,733
that you have today, has
that assessment changed or

828
00:46:35,734 --> 00:46:38,804
is it still 10 years?

829
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,830
Dr. Lubchenco:
I think the common view of most of the scientists inside and

830
00:46:44,834 --> 00:46:49,904
outside government is that the
effects of this spill will

831
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:53,200
likely linger for decades.

832
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000
The fact that so much of the
oil has been removed and in the

833
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,630
process of being degraded is
very significant and means that

834
00:47:00,633 --> 00:47:04,703
the impact will not be even
worse than it might have been.

835
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:07,900
But the oil that was released
and has already impacted

836
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:15,430
wildlife at the surface, young
juvenile stages and eggs beneath

837
00:47:15,433 --> 00:47:20,203
the surface, will likely have
very considerable impacts for

838
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,000
years and possibly
decades to come.

839
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,000
The research investigations that
are underway now are designed to

840
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,400
get a better handle on
exactly what that impact is,

841
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,270
but that's not something
that is easy to determine.

842
00:47:37,266 --> 00:47:43,296
For example, bluefin tuna,
who spawn at the time --

843
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:48,970
this time of year, have eggs and
young juvenile stages called

844
00:47:48,967 --> 00:47:52,637
larvae that would have been in
the water column when

845
00:47:52,633 --> 00:47:54,163
the oil was present.

846
00:47:54,166 --> 00:48:03,636
If those eggs or larvae
were exposed to oil,

847
00:48:03,633 --> 00:48:11,903
they probably would have died
or been significantly impacted.

848
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:18,070
And we won't see the full
result of that for a number
of years to come.

849
00:48:18,066 --> 00:48:20,866
This is one of the challenges of
getting a handle on the impact

850
00:48:20,867 --> 00:48:23,197
of a spill like this.

851
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,200
The total amount
of oil was immense,

852
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,200
and the impact is likely to
continue to be considerable,

853
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,600
even though Mother Nature is
helping assist the federal

854
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,600
effort and we're aggressively
removing as much as possible and

855
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,670
it is degrading rapidly.

856
00:48:43,667 --> 00:48:49,337
But the impact of the oil
that was released is
likely to be considerable.

857
00:48:49,333 --> 00:48:49,833
Mr. Gibbs:
Ari.

858
00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:51,934
The Press:
Looking at the residual 26%, I know it's impossible to measure

859
00:48:51,934 --> 00:48:54,004
exactly how much of that
has been scooped up,

860
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,870
but can you give us any idea of
whether it's a small fraction of

861
00:48:56,867 --> 00:49:00,437
that, a majority,
somewhere in the middle?

862
00:49:00,433 --> 00:49:03,963
Admiral Allen:
Well, I think we know we've covered I think 36,000 or 37,000

863
00:49:03,967 --> 00:49:05,497
tons of debris.

864
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:07,500
Some of that, if it's
just sand and oil,

865
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:09,300
it's going to have a higher
concentration of sand than if it

866
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:12,170
was on wood -- could be marsh grass and some other areas.

867
00:49:12,166 --> 00:49:15,536
So this is not going to be an
exact science in how we try and

868
00:49:15,533 --> 00:49:18,963
figure out exactly what the
implications of that oil is.

869
00:49:18,967 --> 00:49:22,237
We can anecdotally understand -- try and understand what it is

870
00:49:22,233 --> 00:49:24,203
from what we recovered
mechanically, but it's going to

871
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,000
take us a while to actually
get our arms around this.

872
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,470
The Press:
And also, is there any re-evaluation of the use of

873
00:49:28,467 --> 00:49:30,637
skimmers, given that so much
effort was put into the skimmers

874
00:49:30,633 --> 00:49:33,463
and it was 3% of the total oil?

875
00:49:33,467 --> 00:49:36,697
Admiral Allen:
Well, I think this gets back to the discussion we had earlier.

876
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:37,670
I think there needs to be
an evaluation of all the

877
00:49:37,667 --> 00:49:39,867
interventions that were used.

878
00:49:39,867 --> 00:49:41,267
And even among the
skimmers themselves,

879
00:49:41,266 --> 00:49:42,666
there are different
types of skimmers.

880
00:49:42,667 --> 00:49:44,297
There are skimmers that
basically collect the oil

881
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:45,500
then have it vacuumed.

882
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,830
There are skimmers that are
called oleophilic skimmers where

883
00:49:47,834 --> 00:49:50,104
you have material that oil
actually sticks to and then you

884
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:51,400
scrape it off.

885
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,930
And I think when we're all done
we're going to have to go back

886
00:49:52,934 --> 00:49:55,204
and say, moving forward, as we
create an inventory of response

887
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,070
tools, what really served
us best in this response.

888
00:49:58,066 --> 00:50:01,136
Mr. Gibbs:
But, again, just to do
the math with these guys.

889
00:50:01,133 --> 00:50:02,003
The Press:
3% is a lot.

890
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,970
Mr. Gibbs:
3% is almost an Exxon-Valdez.

891
00:50:04,967 --> 00:50:08,297
So you can be the
judge of the --

892
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:13,930
Dr. Lubchenco:
Robert, could I just clarify that the residual category is a

893
00:50:13,934 --> 00:50:18,464
combination of things that
cannot be easily measured
or estimated.

894
00:50:18,467 --> 00:50:22,337
It's what's left over when you
can measure and estimate all

895
00:50:22,333 --> 00:50:23,833
those other categories.

896
00:50:23,834 --> 00:50:28,034
And then to make a total
to 100%, there's that 26%.

897
00:50:28,033 --> 00:50:31,703
So this should not be
interpreted as oil that is still

898
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:33,330
out there necessarily.

899
00:50:33,333 --> 00:50:34,933
Some of it may be.

900
00:50:34,934 --> 00:50:36,634
Some of it has
already been degraded.

901
00:50:36,633 --> 00:50:38,933
Some of it has already
been collected.

902
00:50:38,934 --> 00:50:41,364
So it's not still out there.

903
00:50:41,367 --> 00:50:43,037
26 isn't still out there.

904
00:50:43,033 --> 00:50:43,703
Mr. Gibbs:
Ann.

905
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:45,570
The Press:
I know you're not actually putting out a "Mission

906
00:50:45,567 --> 00:50:46,867
Accomplished" banner on
this, but, Admiral Allen,

907
00:50:46,867 --> 00:50:51,637
is today a day that marks a
change in what this incident is,

908
00:50:51,633 --> 00:50:53,633
a change in what you're doing?

909
00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:57,563
How different does today
make the entire incident?

910
00:50:57,567 --> 00:50:59,567
Admiral Allen:
Well, as I think Robert said, this is the beginning of the end

911
00:50:59,567 --> 00:51:00,637
of a phase.

912
00:51:00,633 --> 00:51:02,703
I don't want to get
caught up in semantics.

913
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:04,730
It's a consequential day.

914
00:51:04,734 --> 00:51:07,504
We've significantly reduced the
threat of hydrocarbons into the

915
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:09,270
environment that have plagued
us for a long, long time,

916
00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:11,266
and we took a major step on the
15th of July when we put the

917
00:51:11,266 --> 00:51:13,336
capping stack on.

918
00:51:13,333 --> 00:51:16,163
This is an insurance measure and
it will bring the whole thing

919
00:51:16,166 --> 00:51:19,096
home when we actually kill
the bottom of the well.

920
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:22,470
But I think everybody needs
to understand there is a

921
00:51:22,467 --> 00:51:23,637
continuum of activities.

922
00:51:23,633 --> 00:51:25,533
We want to reassure the people
in the Gulf Coast and the people

923
00:51:25,533 --> 00:51:28,863
of the nation that this is just
one phase of what you have to do

924
00:51:28,867 --> 00:51:31,397
to respond when you have an oil
spill, because it's not just the

925
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,570
on-the-water and
the source control.

926
00:51:33,567 --> 00:51:35,067
It has to do with
the beach cleanup,

927
00:51:35,066 --> 00:51:37,696
and it has to do with the
long-term environmental damage.

928
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:39,130
There's still a
lot of work to do,

929
00:51:39,133 --> 00:51:40,933
but the nature of
the work will change.

930
00:51:40,934 --> 00:51:43,234
And therefore, the
type of resources,

931
00:51:43,233 --> 00:51:44,733
how we're approaching it,
will have to change, too,

932
00:51:44,734 --> 00:51:46,504
because we have a different set
of activities we have to deal with.

933
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:48,170
The Press:
Should we take great encouragement from what's

934
00:51:48,166 --> 00:51:49,336
happened today?

935
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:52,303
Admiral Allen:
Well, given the fact
this is such a --

936
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:55,170
the magnitude of this event, I
think we can have some optimism

937
00:51:55,166 --> 00:51:58,466
that we're not going to deal
with oil that was indeterminate.

938
00:51:58,467 --> 00:52:01,667
You heard me say it was
indeterminate, omni-directional.

939
00:52:01,667 --> 00:52:03,067
We didn't have a
way to bound it.

940
00:52:03,066 --> 00:52:04,066
It's bounded now.

941
00:52:04,066 --> 00:52:04,896
It is bounded.

942
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:07,070
The Press:
What's the timeframe from today?

943
00:52:07,066 --> 00:52:08,166
Mr. Gibbs:
And I would just say this, Sam.

944
00:52:08,166 --> 00:52:09,536
Let me just -- there's
a reason why --

945
00:52:09,533 --> 00:52:10,933
well, there's a lot of reasons
why there's no "Mission

946
00:52:10,934 --> 00:52:15,434
Accomplished" banner -- because there's a lot of work to do.

947
00:52:15,433 --> 00:52:18,403
And I think it's important
-- and I would go back,

948
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,900
direct you not to what I said but direct you to what Thad just

949
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:23,900
said and more importantly
what the President said.

950
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:30,070
The reason why we are moving to
focusing on a different phase is

951
00:52:30,066 --> 00:52:35,236
because we have -- we are nearing the completion of the

952
00:52:35,233 --> 00:52:40,003
killing of this well, which was our foremost priority since the

953
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,470
leak began.

954
00:52:41,467 --> 00:52:45,067
But we're not leaving the area.

955
00:52:45,066 --> 00:52:49,266
And more importantly, we're not
leaving behind any commitment to

956
00:52:49,266 --> 00:52:53,066
clean up what's been -- the damage that's been done and

957
00:52:53,066 --> 00:53:01,936
repair and restore the Gulf as an ecosystem of great importance

958
00:53:01,934 --> 00:53:04,534
to, obviously, that
region of the country,

959
00:53:04,533 --> 00:53:07,463
but to the country as a whole.

960
00:53:07,467 --> 00:53:13,037
The Press:
Robert, most of you have repeatedly said that the 26% is

961
00:53:13,033 --> 00:53:16,063
unknowable, it's
immeasurable at this moment,

962
00:53:16,066 --> 00:53:19,496
and the estimate of the 4.9
million barrels of what emanated

963
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,870
from this well is
also an estimate.

964
00:53:21,867 --> 00:53:24,297
So couldn't the actual amount of
oil out there that has leached

965
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:30,670
through the coast or is still
somewhere under the surface,

966
00:53:30,667 --> 00:53:33,137
couldn't it be considerably
more than the 26%?

967
00:53:33,133 --> 00:53:35,933
And isn't that number -- you've been accused before of initially

968
00:53:35,934 --> 00:53:39,334
rosy estimates -- isn't the
26%, which seems particularly reassuring --

969
00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:42,603
Mr. Gibbs:
I want to refer you to the fairly lengthy answer I gave on

970
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,300
this about 30 minutes ago.

971
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,330
The Press:
No, no, but the number -- the 26% number is a reassuring

972
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:48,633
number, it's meant
to reassure folks.

973
00:53:48,633 --> 00:53:52,433
Mr. Gibbs:
No, it's an actual number
about where the oil is.

974
00:53:52,433 --> 00:53:54,833
It's not -- this isn't
a reassurance document.

975
00:53:54,834 --> 00:53:55,804
This is a compendium --

976
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,600
The Press:
This is a statistically significant --

977
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,130
Mr. Gibbs:
It's a compendium
of where the oil is.

978
00:54:00,133 --> 00:54:05,133
And, again, I want to be
clear, the flow rate --

979
00:54:05,133 --> 00:54:08,563
we have a greater understanding
and greater access to

980
00:54:08,567 --> 00:54:12,867
information based on directives
that we have issued,

981
00:54:12,867 --> 00:54:17,267
based on instrumentation that is 5,000 feet below the ocean that

982
00:54:17,266 --> 00:54:21,036
allow us to measure the flow rate now far better than we did

983
00:54:21,033 --> 00:54:25,333
on day one with
photographs of overflights.

984
00:54:25,333 --> 00:54:27,263
Admiral Allen:
Look, maybe I can
summarize here.

985
00:54:27,266 --> 00:54:29,996
Sorry.

986
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,230
As this incident has evolved, we
have come up with great clarify

987
00:54:33,233 --> 00:54:35,833
and organizational structure
on how we want to measure
flow rate.

988
00:54:35,834 --> 00:54:37,834
Let me just tell you some of the
major component parts because

989
00:54:37,834 --> 00:54:40,964
this is not arbitrary and
capricious and Marcia McNutt has

990
00:54:40,967 --> 00:54:43,267
done a great job
leading her group.

991
00:54:43,266 --> 00:54:46,496
There are about three or
four pieces to determining
the flow rate.

992
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:50,330
The first one is created by what
we call the mass balance team.

993
00:54:50,333 --> 00:54:52,733
That's trying to understand
exactly how much oil is out

994
00:54:52,734 --> 00:54:54,764
there that we can see and
measure on the water.

995
00:54:54,767 --> 00:54:57,767
This is everything from
satellite imagery to some very

996
00:54:57,767 --> 00:55:00,297
sophisticated NASA aircraft
that actually look at the

997
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,470
reflectivity of the
surface of the ocean.

998
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:04,797
And it varies whether or not you
have oil or water and actually

999
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,400
give you a thickness
estimate related to that.

1000
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,730
The second one is
the plume analysis.

1001
00:55:08,734 --> 00:55:10,504
And there are two different
ways to look at that.

1002
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:13,470
As Robert said, it's moving
from two-dimensional to

1003
00:55:13,467 --> 00:55:15,197
three-dimensional.

1004
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,300
We also had acoustic testing
done on that stream by the Woods

1005
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:21,370
Hole Oceanographic Institute.

1006
00:55:21,367 --> 00:55:23,597
We have a reservoir
modeling team.

1007
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,070
As the reservoir
has been depleted,

1008
00:55:25,066 --> 00:55:27,436
that changes the pressure coming
up and we know now that there

1009
00:55:27,433 --> 00:55:30,933
wasn't a linear -- there
wasn't the same amount
of flow every day.

1010
00:55:30,934 --> 00:55:33,634
It changed based on the
pressure that was coming
up from the reservoir.

1011
00:55:33,633 --> 00:55:35,503
And finally, we had a nodal
analysis team that looked at

1012
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:37,700
where the oil was at at
different particular stages as

1013
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:39,000
it came forward.

1014
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,130
And so we had different ways
to look at this and bring it together.

1015
00:55:42,133 --> 00:55:46,463
We started out -- I think it
was 12 to 25 and 19 to 25;

1016
00:55:46,467 --> 00:55:50,637
based on better information,
we went from 35 to 60.

1017
00:55:50,633 --> 00:55:51,163
We bracketed it.

1018
00:55:51,166 --> 00:55:53,966
And then lately we've been able
to get the better pressure

1019
00:55:53,967 --> 00:55:56,097
measurements as the
capping stack went on.

1020
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:57,470
And we continue to refine this.

1021
00:55:57,467 --> 00:55:58,267
It doesn't mean
we're going to stop.

1022
00:55:58,266 --> 00:56:00,196
It just means we're getting
better and better at getting the

1023
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,400
information and putting that
together and creating a picture.

1024
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Mr. Gibbs:
April.

1025
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,770
You want to add
something to that?

1026
00:56:06,767 --> 00:56:10,867
Dr. Lubchenco:
The flow rate of 4.9, which
is what Admiral Allen has been

1027
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:13,897
talking about, has
the plus or minus 10%,

1028
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:18,300
so that would be
between 4.4 and 5.4.

1029
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:27,930
And the -- if we focus on the residual part of the pie chart,

1030
00:56:27,934 --> 00:56:34,134
the 26% is at the
intermediate number.

1031
00:56:34,133 --> 00:56:42,563
So that's at the 4.9
million barrel number.

1032
00:56:42,567 --> 00:56:44,197
If you want to know what the
percent of the residual is for

1033
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:53,800
the full plus or minus 10%,
it ranges from 24% to 28%.

1034
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,770
And the reason for that is that
some of the numbers are direct

1035
00:56:58,767 --> 00:57:04,137
-- in the pie chart -- are direct measurements such as the

1036
00:57:04,133 --> 00:57:08,163
oil that was recovered
from the wellhead.

1037
00:57:08,166 --> 00:57:10,796
So that number is
an absolute number.

1038
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,070
It doesn't change.

1039
00:57:13,066 --> 00:57:15,636
And so when you do the
calculations to come up with the

1040
00:57:15,633 --> 00:57:20,563
percentage, the amount
that is residual, we feel quite

1041
00:57:20,567 --> 00:57:25,997
comfortable saying that it is
most likely around 26%.

1042
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,470
It might be as low as 24%;
it might be as high as 28%.

1043
00:57:29,467 --> 00:57:33,197
But it's not going to be
significantly different
from that.

1044
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,100
Mr. Gibbs:
April.

1045
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,400
The Press:
What's the certainty there's
not an oil coating on the ocean

1046
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,700
floor, with all your
charts and information?

1047
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:45,500
Dr. Lubchenco:
We've had a lot of research vessels that are out on the

1048
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:51,270
water, imaging or using remotely
operated vehicles or gliders to

1049
00:57:51,266 --> 00:57:58,496
determine exactly where the oil
is subsurface and what it's

1050
00:57:58,500 --> 00:57:59,600
doing where it is.

1051
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,400
To the best of our knowledge,
there is no oil that is

1052
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,270
accumulating on the seafloor.

1053
00:58:07,266 --> 00:58:10,466
We have no evidence that there
is any oil that is sitting on

1054
00:58:10,467 --> 00:58:13,497
the bottom or sinking
down to the bottom.

1055
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:16,000
The oil that did not
rise to the surface,

1056
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,400
that was not light enough
to make it to the surface,

1057
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,670
is the oil that
has been dispersed,

1058
00:58:21,667 --> 00:58:23,467
either naturally or chemically.

1059
00:58:23,467 --> 00:58:27,267
And that is in very small,
microscopic droplets.

1060
00:58:27,266 --> 00:58:33,866
And it's primarily between 3,300 and 4,300 feet as a very diffuse

1061
00:58:33,867 --> 00:58:41,137
cloud that is in concentrations that diminish as you go away

1062
00:58:41,133 --> 00:58:42,763
from the wellhead.

1063
00:58:42,767 --> 00:58:47,467
And that is the oil that is in
the process of being naturally degraded.

1064
00:58:47,467 --> 00:58:51,467
So that's the oil that
is beneath the surface.

1065
00:58:51,467 --> 00:58:53,297
It's microscopic.

1066
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:54,800
It's dilute.

1067
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,130
The Press:
Now, in your talking, you gave an example earlier about blue

1068
00:58:58,133 --> 00:59:00,863
tuna, the larvae
of this blue tuna.

1069
00:59:00,867 --> 00:59:02,997
Does that mean, with
that example and others,

1070
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,600
does that mean that
you will be testing --

1071
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,900
the federal government will be
testing for decades the seafood

1072
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:11,030
out of the Gulf?

1073
00:59:11,033 --> 00:59:14,833
Dr. Lubchenco:
Thank you for giving me an opportunity to clarify that.

1074
00:59:14,834 --> 00:59:21,804
Fish metabolize hydrocarbons
relatively rapidly.

1075
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:27,170
And so if an adult fish or a
fish that would be the size that

1076
00:59:27,166 --> 00:59:29,436
fishermen would catch
and bring to market,

1077
00:59:29,433 --> 00:59:34,163
if that fish is exposed to
oil, it might be contaminated

1078
00:59:34,166 --> 00:59:37,336
initially, but it metabolizes.

1079
00:59:37,333 --> 00:59:40,203
It naturally breaks
down the oil.

1080
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,670
And so after a period of
time on the order of weeks,

1081
00:59:44,667 --> 00:59:49,737
that fish is no longer
unfit for human consumption.

1082
00:59:49,734 --> 00:59:52,364
It has broken down
the hydrocarbons,

1083
00:59:52,367 --> 00:59:54,067
and it is safe to eat.

1084
00:59:54,066 --> 00:59:56,996
That's what we are testing to
make sure that that process --

1085
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,300
that natural process
has happened,

1086
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:04,100
and that the seafood is safe.

1087
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:08,570
The example that I gave you for
bluefin tuna was to illustrate

1088
01:00:08,567 --> 01:00:15,797
that our interest is not only in
the fish that are recognizable

1089
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,830
as fish that are out there now,
but that there are very small

1090
01:00:19,834 --> 01:00:24,564
microscopic juvenile
stages that will --

1091
01:00:24,567 --> 01:00:29,967
would have grown up to be a
fish many, many years from now.

1092
01:00:29,967 --> 01:00:33,497
Those are the ones that
are of potential concern.

1093
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:39,300
Those are more vulnerable than
are most of the fish that are

1094
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:41,200
live and out swimming
around in the Gulf.

1095
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,230
The Press:
How long are you
expecting to test?

1096
01:00:43,233 --> 01:00:49,433
Dr. Lubchenco:
We will continue to test as
long as is needed and we will be

1097
01:00:49,433 --> 01:00:54,033
following this -- we will be following the impacts of the oil

1098
01:00:54,033 --> 01:00:57,633
in the Gulf for
years, if not decades.

1099
01:00:57,633 --> 01:01:05,033
The seafood testing that we have
already done is telling us that

1100
01:01:05,033 --> 01:01:07,663
it is being degraded naturally
and that areas that we are

1101
01:01:07,667 --> 01:01:12,997
opening have seafood
that is safe to eat.

1102
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,970
Mr. Gibbs:
Margaret.

1103
01:01:13,967 --> 01:01:14,497
The Press:
Thanks.

1104
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:15,670
I have two questions.

1105
01:01:15,667 --> 01:01:17,437
The first one
follows all of this,

1106
01:01:17,433 --> 01:01:20,103
both in terms of food safety and
also in terms of what's going on

1107
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,700
with subsurface plumes.

1108
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:23,630
You mentioned that the
testing will continue.

1109
01:01:23,633 --> 01:01:29,703
Can you tell us precisely and
explicitly how often you will

1110
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:37,830
continue to monitor it, whether
the monitoring mechanisms will

1111
01:01:37,834 --> 01:01:39,664
change, whether the pace or
the duration of the monitoring
will change?

1112
01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:40,967
I know you're continuing to do
it, but will you do it

1113
01:01:40,967 --> 01:01:42,067
slightly less frequently?

1114
01:01:42,066 --> 01:01:43,566
Or are you putting
a mandate on it now?

1115
01:01:43,567 --> 01:01:48,537
Or will things continue exactly
as they have been pro forma

1116
01:01:48,533 --> 01:01:50,203
until some other
pronouncement is made?

1117
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,770
Dr. Lubchenco:
So are you asking specifically about the monitoring for

1118
01:01:52,767 --> 01:01:54,367
seafood safety?

1119
01:01:54,367 --> 01:01:57,967
The Press:
I'm asking about both the monitoring of seafood safety and

1120
01:01:57,967 --> 01:02:02,137
the monitoring of the
environmental effects in the

1121
01:02:02,133 --> 01:02:03,033
subsurface plumes.

1122
01:02:03,033 --> 01:02:05,703
Dr. Lubchenco:
Okay, so let's keep those in separate categories because the

1123
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,230
answer is different.

1124
01:02:07,233 --> 01:02:10,733
For monitoring for
seafood safety,

1125
01:02:10,734 --> 01:02:13,804
we have a very
extensive protocol.

1126
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,700
First of all, when the
oil spill first happened,

1127
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:20,870
we went out and got a lot of
samples of fish and shellfish

1128
01:02:20,867 --> 01:02:24,537
from around the Gulf to have
baseline samples against which

1129
01:02:24,533 --> 01:02:28,963
we could compare any
changes, should they happen.

1130
01:02:28,967 --> 01:02:30,197
So we have those.

1131
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,100
They've been processed.

1132
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:39,030
We have a very specific protocol
for monitoring and testing areas

1133
01:02:39,033 --> 01:02:44,333
that we think are the next
logical places to be opening --

1134
01:02:44,333 --> 01:02:46,703
or to be considered for opening.

1135
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:52,070
If an area was only
lightly oiled once,

1136
01:02:52,066 --> 01:02:57,036
then we would consider that
a more likely candidate for

1137
01:02:57,033 --> 01:03:01,063
targeting our testing effort
than an area that was repeatedly oiled.

1138
01:03:01,066 --> 01:03:08,396
So we are going to be monitoring
areas where we think it's

1139
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,170
logical that there would be
a possibility of reopening.

1140
01:03:12,166 --> 01:03:15,336
When the testing
shows it is safe,

1141
01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:16,733
we will open those areas
according to those protocols.

1142
01:03:16,734 --> 01:03:20,364
The Press:
These findings in and of themselves don't change the

1143
01:03:20,367 --> 01:03:23,497
schedule or the form or the
pace of testing in any way?

1144
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:24,600
Dr. Lubchenco:
That's exactly right.

1145
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,630
Today's findings just help us
understand what has happened in

1146
01:03:27,633 --> 01:03:29,463
the big picture.

1147
01:03:29,467 --> 01:03:35,397
It does not modify our efforts
to monitor and test for seafood

1148
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,470
safety, or to monitor and do
research on the impacts of the

1149
01:03:40,467 --> 01:03:42,297
spill on the Gulf at large.

1150
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:45,030
The Press:
So that continues at exactly the same pace until something else

1151
01:03:45,033 --> 01:03:45,963
says that that should change?

1152
01:03:45,967 --> 01:03:47,797
Dr. Lubchenco:
That's correct.

1153
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,170
The Press:
My second question is, you talked a little bit about the

1154
01:03:49,166 --> 01:03:49,736
bluefin tuna.

1155
01:03:49,734 --> 01:03:51,264
Is there any evidence that
the dispersed oil has --

1156
01:03:51,266 --> 01:03:53,666
as this point, is there any
evidence that it has damaged the

1157
01:03:53,667 --> 01:03:55,867
food chain in any ways that
could ripple up or affect

1158
01:03:55,867 --> 01:03:58,897
endangered creatures?

1159
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:02,200
I understand why
you would sort of --

1160
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,400
expect sort of to get bad news
to some degree on those fronts,

1161
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,600
but is there yet any evidence
that you can talk about?

1162
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:19,000
Dr. Lubchenco:
The impact on the Gulf will
take time to understand and to

1163
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,630
evaluate with confidence.

1164
01:04:21,633 --> 01:04:26,633
We are actively doing research
and monitoring the impact,

1165
01:04:26,633 --> 01:04:30,033
but it's premature to
talk about any systemic,

1166
01:04:30,033 --> 01:04:33,403
overall impacts at this point
because there hasn't been enough

1167
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,930
time to do justice to
that very important topic.

1168
01:04:36,934 --> 01:04:38,004
Mr. Gibbs:
Sam.

1169
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,700
The Press:
Admiral Allen, you said
today is a consequential day,

1170
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:42,770
but I think we're wondering
when is the end date?

1171
01:04:42,767 --> 01:04:45,537
When is the -- what's the timeframe for today for the

1172
01:04:45,533 --> 01:04:48,863
bottom kill, for
finishing the relief well?

1173
01:04:48,867 --> 01:04:51,497
Admiral Allen:
I'll give you two answers based on when we make the decision on

1174
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:53,500
the cementing.

1175
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:55,530
The Press:
So right now -- I guess
that answers my question.

1176
01:04:55,533 --> 01:04:56,463
You don't know when --

1177
01:04:56,467 --> 01:04:58,937
Admiral Allen:
No, it depends on the
status of the well.

1178
01:04:58,934 --> 01:05:02,004
What we're going to do is we're
going to drill into the annulus,

1179
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,670
and we're prepared to put mud
and cement in and basically

1180
01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:06,967
kill the annulus.

1181
01:05:06,967 --> 01:05:09,167
After that cement dries, then we
have the option to drill back in

1182
01:05:09,166 --> 01:05:12,266
and go into the pipe and
do the same thing there.

1183
01:05:12,266 --> 01:05:16,166
It depends on the results of the
static kill and the cementing

1184
01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:17,896
decision for the static kill.

1185
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:22,170
If you have to do everything,
the analogy I've used is taking

1186
01:05:22,166 --> 01:05:25,596
tree rings, hollow tree rings,
and filling one up and making a

1187
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,800
smaller tree and then
going into the next tree.

1188
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,030
And we're going to
do that twice --

1189
01:05:29,033 --> 01:05:31,703
once is the annulus, the
other one is the pipe itself.

1190
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:33,470
And how much we have to do
at the bottom depends on the

1191
01:05:33,467 --> 01:05:37,837
effectiveness of the
static kill and the
decision on the cementing.

1192
01:05:37,834 --> 01:05:40,834
If we have to do it twice, it
will be about probably anywhere

1193
01:05:40,834 --> 01:05:42,764
from five to seven
days for the first one,

1194
01:05:42,767 --> 01:05:44,967
and maybe five to seven days
after that for the second one.

1195
01:05:44,967 --> 01:05:47,497
The Press:
So you're looking at, worst-case scenario, two weeks from today?

1196
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:48,870
Admiral Allen:
Towards the end of August, yes.

1197
01:05:48,867 --> 01:05:50,997
If we have to do both, yes.

1198
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,770
Mr. Gibbs:
Bill.

1199
01:05:52,767 --> 01:05:54,067
The Press:
To anyone there, I guess.

1200
01:05:54,066 --> 01:05:57,396
We heard so much of the doomsday
scenario in the beginning of

1201
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,670
this, the blackened beaches and
oil coming up the East Coast,

1202
01:06:00,667 --> 01:06:05,267
as Chip indicated, and fishermen
and shrimpers being out of

1203
01:06:05,266 --> 01:06:06,266
business forever, having
to leave the area.

1204
01:06:06,266 --> 01:06:08,266
Is part of the message today
that the long-term impact of the

1205
01:06:08,266 --> 01:06:12,596
spill is really not as
bad as we had anticipated?

1206
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,170
Mr. Gibbs:
I think as Dr. Lubchenco
said, we're going to --

1207
01:06:16,166 --> 01:06:18,096
we have to evaluate
what all of this means.

1208
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:27,600
I think it is fairly safe
to say that because of the

1209
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,400
environmental effects
of Mother Nature,

1210
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:35,270
the warm waters of the Gulf
and the federal response,

1211
01:06:35,266 --> 01:06:39,536
that many of the doomsday
scenarios that were talked about

1212
01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:42,963
and repeated a lot have not
and will not come to fruition

1213
01:06:42,967 --> 01:06:44,697
because of that.

1214
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,230
I think that is --

1215
01:06:46,233 --> 01:06:46,733
The Press:
It's good news.

1216
01:06:46,734 --> 01:06:47,834
Mr. Gibbs:
It is very good news.

1217
01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:51,204
And I think as Admiral
Allen said, there were --

1218
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,830
there have been many points
along this that are important.

1219
01:06:53,834 --> 01:06:59,734
I mean, again, as he said, we
have not had an active amount of

1220
01:06:59,734 --> 01:07:04,834
hydrocarbon being emitted into
the Gulf since the sealing cap

1221
01:07:04,834 --> 01:07:06,734
went on the 15th of July.

1222
01:07:06,734 --> 01:07:12,164
So there are many points along
this that I think we can point

1223
01:07:12,166 --> 01:07:16,836
to as being important days.

1224
01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:24,864
Obviously, the static kill is a
step in the ultimate killing of the well.

1225
01:07:24,867 --> 01:07:30,597
But, again, then we'll focus
-- our focus will be off of

1226
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:35,500
containment and capture and
more directly on damage and restoration.

1227
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:37,330
Ken.

1228
01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:40,203
The Press:
Since we appear to have
moved into a new phase here,

1229
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,970
I was wondering if I can maybe
ask a question moving forward

1230
01:07:42,967 --> 01:07:45,137
about an assessment of the
equipment that the Coast Guard

1231
01:07:45,133 --> 01:07:47,133
and NOAA has at this point.

1232
01:07:47,133 --> 01:07:52,863
Have you folks found any
evidence or need to perhaps go

1233
01:07:52,867 --> 01:07:57,197
back and review whether you have
the proper equipment to assist

1234
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,300
in these kind of operations?

1235
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:01,070
And to give it a little context,
the reason I ask the question

1236
01:08:01,066 --> 01:08:04,136
is, we've depended on
BP for the visuals,

1237
01:08:04,133 --> 01:08:06,633
also the robotics
beneath the surface,

1238
01:08:06,633 --> 01:08:10,033
and I was wondering if you
find that system to have --

1239
01:08:10,033 --> 01:08:11,603
if that is the proper way to go?

1240
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,300
Or if the United States is to
reconsider whether or not we're

1241
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:18,570
properly armed to deal with
these sort of emergencies?

1242
01:08:18,567 --> 01:08:20,637
Admiral Allen:
I think you're asking
a really good question.

1243
01:08:20,633 --> 01:08:22,303
I think we're going to have
to do a couple of things.

1244
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:25,600
First of all, I would say in the
five years following the Exxon

1245
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,370
Valdez to about the mid-1990s,
we had a pretty robust R&D

1246
01:08:29,367 --> 01:08:34,267
program, looking at oil
spill response technologies.

1247
01:08:34,266 --> 01:08:35,696
That's when we actually
developed the protocols for

1248
01:08:35,700 --> 01:08:37,570
in-situ burning and
use of dispersants.

1249
01:08:37,567 --> 01:08:40,367
I was a field commander at the
time that had to negotiate those

1250
01:08:40,367 --> 01:08:43,567
protocols with the
local stakeholders.

1251
01:08:43,567 --> 01:08:45,767
The further we got
away from that event,

1252
01:08:45,767 --> 01:08:50,167
the investment in R&D
kind of tapered off.

1253
01:08:50,166 --> 01:08:52,136
We had technology move
into deepwater drilling.

1254
01:08:52,133 --> 01:08:57,363
The Oil Pollution Act of 1990
was directed at tanker-based
oil traffic.

1255
01:08:57,367 --> 01:08:58,837
I think it's time
for an assessment.

1256
01:08:58,834 --> 01:09:01,404
I think there are a lot of
technologies that were proposed

1257
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,430
that because of the capping
we didn't get to test.

1258
01:09:04,433 --> 01:09:07,603
I think there needs to be a very
vigorous interagency process

1259
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,830
looking at R&D issues and at
the effectiveness of these

1260
01:09:09,834 --> 01:09:11,334
tools moving forward.

1261
01:09:11,333 --> 01:09:13,433
I think some of this may
come out of the commission.

1262
01:09:13,433 --> 01:09:16,763
But I think everything indicates
a re-baselining of our tools,

1263
01:09:16,767 --> 01:09:19,137
what should be in the government
inventory, what shouldn't be.

1264
01:09:19,133 --> 01:09:21,003
This is the time to do that.

1265
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,070
The Press:
If I could follow --

1266
01:09:22,066 --> 01:09:26,066
Mr. Gibbs:
And, Ken, I would just say
that that is precisely why the

1267
01:09:26,066 --> 01:09:28,466
President stood
up the commission.

1268
01:09:28,467 --> 01:09:32,467
In the very beginning of this, I
got asked I don't know how many

1269
01:09:32,467 --> 01:09:37,197
times, doesn't the military
just have something?

1270
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,770
Don't you have some submarine
with giant mechanical arms that

1271
01:09:40,767 --> 01:09:44,337
can sustain pressure at 5,000
feet and somehow screw the

1272
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:47,933
bottle cap on top of
the blowout preventer?

1273
01:09:47,934 --> 01:09:49,204
The Press:
It's with the
secret rocket, right?

1274
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,870
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, well, Captain Nemo
was unavoidably detained.

1275
01:09:53,867 --> 01:09:56,367
Look, I think that is
what we have to evaluate.

1276
01:09:56,367 --> 01:10:02,037
And I think the question also -- when you get a permit to drill,

1277
01:10:02,033 --> 01:10:04,663
and this is what I talked
about in terms of the deepwater

1278
01:10:04,667 --> 01:10:07,437
drilling, the President wants
to be assured that there is a

1279
01:10:07,433 --> 01:10:16,233
containment structure and a plan
in place that matches directly

1280
01:10:16,233 --> 01:10:20,733
what is being undertaken -- the size, the scope of the well,

1281
01:10:20,734 --> 01:10:25,104
the depth at which it's being done at and what equipment needs

1282
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:32,230
to be on hand either from
our perspective or from the

1283
01:10:32,233 --> 01:10:34,103
perspective of a company
that's making those.

1284
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:34,800
Did you have another one?

1285
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,600
The Press:
You covered it actually in that.

1286
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,430
Mr. Gibbs:
Okay, go ahead.

1287
01:10:37,433 --> 01:10:39,863
The Press:
What's the status of the
berm project that Governor

1288
01:10:39,867 --> 01:10:40,897
Jindal advocated?

1289
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:42,930
And is there any
need for that now?

1290
01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:45,904
Admiral Allen:
I'd refer that question
to Governor Jindal.

1291
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:51,870
(laughter)

1292
01:10:51,867 --> 01:10:54,237
The Press:
Can you discuss just a little bit the emotional response to

1293
01:10:54,233 --> 01:10:56,063
this news within
the administration?

1294
01:10:56,066 --> 01:10:58,866
You mentioned that
the President --

1295
01:10:58,867 --> 01:10:59,967
that was the first time that
he was delighted to hear from

1296
01:10:59,967 --> 01:11:00,937
Ms. Browner.

1297
01:11:00,934 --> 01:11:02,234
Mr. Gibbs:
I was somewhat joking.

1298
01:11:02,233 --> 01:11:02,833
The Press:
I assume.

1299
01:11:02,834 --> 01:11:05,334
But this has cast a pall over
the administration for weeks.

1300
01:11:05,333 --> 01:11:08,533
It's dominated the news cycles
at times I'm sure you would have

1301
01:11:08,533 --> 01:11:10,703
rather talked about other
things like the economy.

1302
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:13,030
Was there a collective
sigh of relief?

1303
01:11:13,033 --> 01:11:14,263
How was this --

1304
01:11:14,266 --> 01:11:21,366
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I think we have -- many of us up here have been working

1305
01:11:21,367 --> 01:11:25,467
on this for now a hundred
and some-odd days.

1306
01:11:25,467 --> 01:11:31,197
I don't think anybody gets real
high or real low because we have

1307
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,630
on any number of occasions met
timelines that weren't going to

1308
01:11:35,633 --> 01:11:38,703
get met as they originally were.

1309
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:44,370
And I would reiterate that I don't -- today is not an end.

1310
01:11:44,367 --> 01:11:51,367
Today is not -- today does not mark somehow the dissolution of

1311
01:11:51,367 --> 01:11:55,167
the energy and the
effort in the Gulf.

1312
01:11:55,166 --> 01:11:59,966
It is a point along
a journey toward --

1313
01:11:59,967 --> 01:12:02,837
that will ultimately end in
restoring the Gulf to a place

1314
01:12:02,834 --> 01:12:09,564
that, as the President said,
isn't the way the Gulf was the

1315
01:12:09,567 --> 01:12:13,267
day before this happened.

1316
01:12:13,266 --> 01:12:17,096
But we have all talked about
what happened to the Gulf and to

1317
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:20,870
the natural barrier islands as a
result of hurricanes that have

1318
01:12:20,867 --> 01:12:24,867
happened over the years and
getting the Gulf back to --

1319
01:12:24,867 --> 01:12:29,837
and restore the Gulf back to the
health that it was before that.

1320
01:12:29,834 --> 01:12:35,604
The Press:
So is there at least a feeling that the oil clouds are parting?

1321
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,300
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, I don't think there's
any doubt that the static kill

1322
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:41,400
having worked is good news.

1323
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,700
The evaluation that will now
happen about the bottom kill,

1324
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:47,170
the progress that we've
made on the relief well,

1325
01:12:47,166 --> 01:12:52,266
the sealing cap that's been in
place since the 15th of July and

1326
01:12:52,266 --> 01:12:56,996
the notion that we have a
fairly accurate and scientific

1327
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:02,430
accounting of where the oil is
represents a good day among

1328
01:13:02,433 --> 01:13:05,503
those hundred or so that
we've been dealing with this.

1329
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:06,730
Yes, ma'am.

1330
01:13:06,734 --> 01:13:10,164
The Press:
Is there a White House strategy going forward on natural

1331
01:13:10,166 --> 01:13:13,236
resource damage assessments?

1332
01:13:13,233 --> 01:13:14,463
Will those be done yearly?

1333
01:13:14,467 --> 01:13:17,967
And will BP be billed for those?

1334
01:13:17,967 --> 01:13:19,867
Admiral Allen:
I'll make the first comment
and maybe Carol would

1335
01:13:19,867 --> 01:13:20,467
like to comment.

1336
01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:22,397
The natural resource damage
assessment is required by the

1337
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,200
Oil Pollution Act of 1990.

1338
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,900
It involves the
federal trustees --

1339
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,570
and that would be the Department
of Commerce and NOAA,

1340
01:13:28,567 --> 01:13:32,367
Fish and Wildlife, Interior,
Tribal Resources and so forth.

1341
01:13:32,367 --> 01:13:33,767
And there's --

1342
01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:35,437
Ms. Browner:
And states.

1343
01:13:35,433 --> 01:13:36,563
Admiral Allen:
And states.

1344
01:13:36,567 --> 01:13:37,797
There's actually a government
structure that's associated with

1345
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,530
that with a lead federal trustee
kind of a coordinator that kind

1346
01:13:41,533 --> 01:13:46,333
of replaces the federal on-scene
coordinator for the response

1347
01:13:46,333 --> 01:13:47,903
model, if you will, to take a
look at how they're going to do

1348
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:51,130
the assessment and move forward.

1349
01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:52,433
And the steering committee for
that group has already met a

1350
01:13:52,433 --> 01:13:54,433
couple of times in the
process of being stood up.

1351
01:13:54,433 --> 01:13:55,763
Mr. Gibbs:
Mike.

1352
01:13:55,767 --> 01:13:59,797
The Press:
The President and the First Family are due to vacation down

1353
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:00,900
Has anything that's happened
in the past 24 hours changed
their plans?

1354
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,770
in the Gulf next weekend.

1355
01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:03,030
Is he going to have any sort of
public event or opportunity to

1356
01:14:03,033 --> 01:14:05,233
get a firsthand assessment?

1357
01:14:05,233 --> 01:14:07,803
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't have the
schedule in front of me.

1358
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,600
There will be a public
component to that.

1359
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,100
We discussed -- we've discussed that over the past several days.

1360
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,570
We'll get more information to
you as we get closer to that.

1361
01:14:16,567 --> 01:14:18,237
The Press:
There wouldn't be any
chance of him going sooner?

1362
01:14:18,233 --> 01:14:19,103
Mr. Gibbs:
No, no.

1363
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:20,300
Yes, sir.

1364
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:22,470
The Press:
Overall, what has the administration learned from this

1365
01:14:22,467 --> 01:14:25,997
whole incident?

1366
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,070
Mr. Gibbs:
How much time do you have?

1367
01:14:27,066 --> 01:14:29,536
(laughter)

1368
01:14:29,533 --> 01:14:31,533
Want to take a crack?

1369
01:14:31,533 --> 01:14:33,403
Admiral Allen:
Actually, it relates
to the earlier question.

1370
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,530
I'll just give you
one facet of it.

1371
01:14:38,533 --> 01:14:39,133
As I've looked at the oil
production infrastructure in the

1372
01:14:39,133 --> 01:14:44,503
Gulf of Mexico as it
relates to response,

1373
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:45,530
back when the Oil Pollution
Act of 1990 was passed,

1374
01:14:45,533 --> 01:14:47,263
it was basically tanker-focused.

1375
01:14:47,266 --> 01:14:53,136
Somewhere between 1984 and 1985,
the drilling began to move offshore.

1376
01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:55,603
There were a couple of
significant breakthroughs that

1377
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,600
were happening at the time
we were focused on tankers.

1378
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,330
One of them was we weren't
restricted to fixed rigs any

1379
01:15:01,333 --> 01:15:03,903
more; we had floating rigs.

1380
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:06,270
And the production machinery and
a lot of the stuff associated

1381
01:15:06,266 --> 01:15:07,296
with the drilling systems
went to the bottom,

1382
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:11,070
including blowout preventers.

1383
01:15:11,066 --> 01:15:13,196
At the same time, the controls
that control everything down

1384
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,470
there and the hydraulics
benefitted from multiplexing and

1385
01:15:16,467 --> 01:15:18,997
being able to send electronic
signals down the hydraulics

1386
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,600
rather than trying to press
that stuff down a mile.

1387
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,670
That allowed them to
move further offshore,

1388
01:15:24,667 --> 01:15:25,897
where our regulatory environment
for response planning was

1389
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:28,300
focused on tanker-driven
incidents,

1390
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:30,100
although we knew
it was going on.

1391
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:33,070
What we've had to bring into the
Gulf to effectuate the control

1392
01:15:33,066 --> 01:15:35,666
of this well is a combination of
technologies that are used in

1393
01:15:35,667 --> 01:15:39,167
the Northern Sea
and off of Angola,

1394
01:15:39,166 --> 01:15:41,066
where they used
vertically riser --

1395
01:15:41,066 --> 01:15:42,766
that are suspended
under the water.

1396
01:15:42,767 --> 01:15:44,797
None of that preexisted in the
Gulf of Mexico because all the

1397
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,700
oil is transported by pipelines
back to where it is embarked,

1398
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:51,330
so we actually had
to put together --

1399
01:15:51,333 --> 01:15:54,333
I say we collectively, led
mostly by the private sector --

1400
01:15:54,333 --> 01:16:00,633
pieces of oil containment and
production structures that are

1401
01:16:00,633 --> 01:16:03,533
used in different parts of the
world and bring them for the

1402
01:16:03,533 --> 01:16:05,963
first time ever into
the Gulf of Mexico.

1403
01:16:05,967 --> 01:16:06,897
When the Helix Producer
started producing,

1404
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,230
that was the first time a
floating production platform had

1405
01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:10,333
ever operated in
the Gulf of Mexico.

1406
01:16:10,333 --> 01:16:12,433
I think we've learned a lot.

1407
01:16:12,433 --> 01:16:14,833
Ms. Browner:
I just want to add one thing
-- I mean, as Robert said,

1408
01:16:14,834 --> 01:16:18,804
how much time do you have?

1409
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,100
But one of the things that I
have found very interesting in

1410
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:22,370
this process is our ability to
reach out and really engage the

1411
01:16:22,367 --> 01:16:23,567
entire federal government.

1412
01:16:23,567 --> 01:16:25,667
This has been a very,
very large undertaking.

1413
01:16:25,667 --> 01:16:27,867
And so there's the obvious
parties that participate --

1414
01:16:27,867 --> 01:16:31,637
the Coast Guard who has the
expertise in terms of oil spill;

1415
01:16:31,633 --> 01:16:33,033
NOAA, obviously; EPA.

1416
01:16:33,033 --> 01:16:34,663
But also we brought in Dr. Chu.

1417
01:16:34,667 --> 01:16:37,097
We brought in the
National Science Labs.

1418
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:40,470
And this really became a
government-wide effort at every

1419
01:16:40,467 --> 01:16:42,037
turn to sort through what was
the best way to take the next

1420
01:16:42,033 --> 01:16:45,063
step, to get this
contained, to get it closed.

1421
01:16:45,066 --> 01:16:47,596
And now we'll be engaging even
more agencies as we move into

1422
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:53,230
the next phase, which is
the cleanup and then the restoration.

1423
01:16:53,233 --> 01:16:54,703
Mr. Gibbs:
Yes, sir.

1424
01:16:54,700 --> 01:17:00,430
The Press:
Do you -- at this point, you
say that the 8% represents the

1425
01:17:00,433 --> 01:17:04,863
chemically dispersed
aspect of the oil.

1426
01:17:04,867 --> 01:17:09,167
Then how important was this
decision on May 15th to do this

1427
01:17:09,166 --> 01:17:12,636
unprecedented move where you
actually took the oil from the

1428
01:17:12,633 --> 01:17:15,563
surface and decided that you
would disperse it on the floor

1429
01:17:15,567 --> 01:17:18,397
of the ocean, first time
ever that's been done?

1430
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:19,500
Admiral Allen:
Correct.

1431
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:22,400
Actually, that was done after
there was consultation with industry.

1432
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,900
And I think ExxonMobil might
have been the ones that actually

1433
01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:26,770
recommended it to BP.

1434
01:17:26,767 --> 01:17:28,667
It had been tried someplace
else in the world,

1435
01:17:28,667 --> 01:17:30,667
and forgive me if I don't
know the exact location.

1436
01:17:30,667 --> 01:17:31,967
They said this is something
that may be applicable,

1437
01:17:31,967 --> 01:17:33,837
but it had never been
done at this depth.

1438
01:17:33,834 --> 01:17:37,404
The reason that was important to
the overall dispersant strategy

1439
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,530
is that for dispersants to work,
you have to have some agitation

1440
01:17:41,533 --> 01:17:45,363
to be able to make it actually
interact with the oil and disperse.

1441
01:17:45,367 --> 01:17:49,897
If you just deliver it through
an aerial platform to oil that's

1442
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:51,870
sitting on the surface,
it has an effect,

1443
01:17:51,867 --> 01:17:54,737
but it's not as effective
unless you can get it agitated.

1444
01:17:54,734 --> 01:17:58,304
Applying a very small amount of
dispersant into the column as it

1445
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:02,070
rises up that 5,000 feet and the
energy and the agitation that

1446
01:18:02,066 --> 01:18:06,336
takes place greatly
facilitates the dispersion,

1447
01:18:06,333 --> 01:18:10,233
and then greatly facilitates the
biodegradation that happens to the oil.

1448
01:18:10,233 --> 01:18:13,463
So the decision to do that was
one of the steps that allowed us

1449
01:18:13,467 --> 01:18:16,537
to say we can significantly
reduce the amount of dispersants

1450
01:18:16,533 --> 01:18:18,833
-- right amount, right
place, right time --

1451
01:18:18,834 --> 01:18:21,134
using the energy generated
by the oil itself rising.

1452
01:18:21,133 --> 01:18:24,063
The Press:
It had never been tried before; it was a gutsy move to do.

1453
01:18:24,066 --> 01:18:29,366
Do you think it was
the right decision?

1454
01:18:29,367 --> 01:18:34,867
Admiral Allen:
Well, in retrospect, it is one of the conditions that allowed

1455
01:18:34,867 --> 01:18:36,637
us to sit down
with Lisa Jackson,

1456
01:18:36,633 --> 01:18:37,963
I think around the
25th of May, and said,

1457
01:18:37,967 --> 01:18:40,497
we're going to reduce
dispersants by 75%,

1458
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,670
and we got to 72 before
the capping stack went on.

1459
01:18:43,667 --> 01:18:47,267
But one of the reasons we were
able to do that is we were more

1460
01:18:47,266 --> 01:18:49,766
able to effectively apply the
dispersants we needed to apply

1461
01:18:49,767 --> 01:18:52,837
at the point where they'd
have the most effect.

1462
01:18:52,834 --> 01:18:55,234
The Press:
I wanted to follow up on
the food chain question.

1463
01:18:55,233 --> 01:18:58,433
Some researchers at Tulane
University have found an oil and

1464
01:18:58,433 --> 01:19:03,903
dispersant mix under the shells
of blue crab larvae all over the

1465
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:05,530
Gulf of Mexico.

1466
01:19:05,533 --> 01:19:09,763
Is there any concern that the
dispersed oil is actually so

1467
01:19:09,767 --> 01:19:12,667
small that it has a greater
chance of entering the food chain?

1468
01:19:12,667 --> 01:19:23,597
Dr. Lubchenco:
Oil that is dispersed is in smaller droplets and it would be

1469
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,930
-- smaller droplets
affect smaller creatures;

1470
01:19:27,934 --> 01:19:30,904
bigger chunks affect
bigger creatures.

1471
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:41,700
So I think the dispersed oil -- I'm trying to figure out how to

1472
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:54,070
answer this simply -- oil that is dispersed is more likely to

1473
01:19:54,066 --> 01:20:00,796
be encountered by and affect
the smaller life in the oceans,

1474
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,230
I think is the
simplest way to put it.

1475
01:20:04,233 --> 01:20:09,333
And this is true --

1476
01:20:09,333 --> 01:20:11,863
The Press:
But bigger animals eat
these crab larvae, though.

1477
01:20:11,867 --> 01:20:17,737
Dr. Lubchenco:
So what I said was true whether the dispersed oil was dispersed

1478
01:20:17,734 --> 01:20:19,864
naturally or
dispersed chemically.

1479
01:20:19,867 --> 01:20:24,797
It doesn't really matter how it
got to be microscopic droplets.

1480
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:34,870
And so there is likely to be
some dispersed oil that affects

1481
01:20:34,867 --> 01:20:41,367
various creatures in the ocean,
and that's part of the long-term

1482
01:20:41,367 --> 01:20:44,337
studies that we need to do to
see what impact that's going to

1483
01:20:44,333 --> 01:20:47,133
have on those food webs.

1484
01:20:47,133 --> 01:20:53,903
Now, let's say, for example,
that a fish is eating some of

1485
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:58,730
those smaller creatures
that had oil in them.

1486
01:20:58,734 --> 01:21:04,464
That fish will degrade that
oil and process it naturally.

1487
01:21:04,467 --> 01:21:09,597
And so it doesn't
bio-accumulate,

1488
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,130
so it's not a situation where we
need to be concerned about that.

1489
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:14,463
Over time, it will
be broken down.

1490
01:21:14,467 --> 01:21:18,137
The question is, what is
the impact in the meantime.

1491
01:21:18,133 --> 01:21:21,103
The Press:
Probably for the Admiral.

1492
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:24,670
Of the 27,000 rigs that
are now in the Gulf,

1493
01:21:24,667 --> 01:21:28,267
how many are active and how many
do you feel secure about in

1494
01:21:28,266 --> 01:21:30,736
terms of their integrity, sir?

1495
01:21:30,734 --> 01:21:32,904
Admiral Allen:
Actually I'm going to
probably throw that to Carol.

1496
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:34,670
Ms. Browner:
I think -- it changes.

1497
01:21:34,667 --> 01:21:36,737
It changes as
things move around.

1498
01:21:36,734 --> 01:21:37,604
So we can get you --

1499
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,630
Admiral Allen:
I know there's been an effort by the Department of Interior to

1500
01:21:39,633 --> 01:21:41,263
get a really good
handle on those --

1501
01:21:41,266 --> 01:21:43,096
the unintended ones,
potentially abandoned.

1502
01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:45,400
It's not something I'm doing
as part of the response.

1503
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,470
The Press:
Can we get that information
from you at some point?

1504
01:21:47,467 --> 01:21:48,237
Mr. Gibbs:
We'll try to get it to you.

1505
01:21:48,233 --> 01:21:48,903
Yes, sir.

1506
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:50,630
The Press:
Robert, you mentioned several bills were going to be

1507
01:21:50,633 --> 01:21:51,333
sent to BP.

1508
01:21:51,333 --> 01:21:53,733
Do you know the timeline
for each of those bills?

1509
01:21:53,734 --> 01:21:57,434
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, many -- I think we put
on the top of yesterday's

1510
01:21:57,433 --> 01:22:01,133
transcript, I think more
than $200 million --

1511
01:22:01,133 --> 01:22:03,663
Mr. Shapiro:
Four bills.

1512
01:22:03,667 --> 01:22:05,437
Mr. Gibbs:
-- and four bills
have gone already.

1513
01:22:05,433 --> 01:22:08,903
Again, the penalty phase
for oil emission is --

1514
01:22:08,900 --> 01:22:14,370
will come, as will the damage
assessments that we talked about

1515
01:22:14,367 --> 01:22:15,397
the other day.

1516
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:16,930
The Press:
You mentioned one of
them was going to be on

1517
01:22:16,934 --> 01:22:18,404
environmental degradation.

1518
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,630
With the uncertainty of knowing
either a year from now or 10

1519
01:22:20,633 --> 01:22:22,063
years from now,
20 years from now,

1520
01:22:22,066 --> 01:22:23,496
what that degradation
is going to be,

1521
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:25,530
how is that amount
going to be calculated?

1522
01:22:25,533 --> 01:22:29,633
Ms. Browner:
So there will be under --
as the Admiral pointed out,

1523
01:22:29,633 --> 01:22:33,433
under the Oil Pollution Act, there's a whole process for

1524
01:22:33,433 --> 01:22:35,103
working through natural
resource damage assessment.

1525
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,530
Then there's an agreement that
is reached and the money is paid

1526
01:22:38,533 --> 01:22:41,133
by BP to the trustees,
which include the states,

1527
01:22:41,133 --> 01:22:43,803
the federal agencies
and any tribes.

1528
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,230
The Press:
Thanks, Robert.

1529
01:22:46,233 --> 01:22:50,963
Mr. Gibbs:
You had another one?

1530
01:22:50,967 --> 01:22:52,397
The Press:
Can you just comment on -- is there any concern about the

1531
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,670
appearances of -- is there any concern inside the White House

1532
01:22:55,667 --> 01:22:58,497
about the appearances of the First Lady's trip overseas and

1533
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:00,870
any thought of having her vacation here in the United States?

1534
01:23:00,867 --> 01:23:02,367
Mr. Gibbs:
Again, the First Lady
is on a private trip.

1535
01:23:02,367 --> 01:23:08,267
She is a private citizen and is
the mother of a daughter on a

1536
01:23:08,266 --> 01:23:11,136
private trip.

1537
01:23:11,133 --> 01:23:14,633
And I think I'd
leave it at that.

1538
01:23:14,633 --> 01:23:15,503
Sam.

1539
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:18,230
The Press:
Can you talk about -- a little bit about the White House

1540
01:23:18,233 --> 01:23:21,063
reaction to the vote in Missouri last night against a federal

1541
01:23:21,066 --> 01:23:23,036
mandate for insurance?

1542
01:23:23,033 --> 01:23:26,903
Mr. Gibbs:
A vote of no legal significance in the midst of heavy

1543
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:28,670
Republican primaries.

1544
01:23:28,667 --> 01:23:30,537
The Press:
I mean, what does it tell you, though, in terms of what --

1545
01:23:30,533 --> 01:23:31,203
Mr. Gibbs:
Nothing.

1546
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,230
(laughter)

1547
01:23:34,233 --> 01:23:36,303
The Press:
The President of
Mexico has -- oh, sorry.

1548
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:38,630
Mr. Gibbs:
No, no, go ahead
-- I'll come back.

1549
01:23:38,633 --> 01:23:42,733
The Press:
The President of Mexico has just said that he is going to be open

1550
01:23:42,734 --> 01:23:47,904
to hear proposals to legalize
drug consumption in Mexico.

1551
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:50,770
And some people in the federal
government are saying because

1552
01:23:50,767 --> 01:23:52,897
the Merida Initiative
is not working,

1553
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:54,630
he is looking for other option.

1554
01:23:54,633 --> 01:23:55,963
What is the White
House reaction to that?

1555
01:23:55,967 --> 01:23:57,437
Mr. Gibbs:
I have not seen
those statements.

1556
01:23:57,433 --> 01:23:59,433
Let me get some guidance
from NSC and we'll --

1557
01:23:59,433 --> 01:24:02,903
The Press:
But what is the position of the President in terms of legalize

1558
01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:03,970
the use of drugs?

1559
01:24:03,967 --> 01:24:06,037
Mr. Gibbs:
Not been for drug legalization.

1560
01:24:06,033 --> 01:24:07,203
Goyal.

1561
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,430
The Press:
As far as this BP
accident is concerned,

1562
01:24:10,433 --> 01:24:14,863
what message do you have for
America as far as any impact on

1563
01:24:14,867 --> 01:24:18,337
the gas stations'
prices are concerned --

1564
01:24:18,333 --> 01:24:21,203
short term, long term,
or international market?

1565
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:27,130
Mr. Gibbs:
This was an exploratory well
and not a production well.

1566
01:24:27,133 --> 01:24:31,733
In other words, this was not -- what happens is these wells are

1567
01:24:31,734 --> 01:24:35,534
drilled and cemented and then they come back at some point for production.

1568
01:24:35,533 --> 01:24:41,763
So this is not oil that is taken
out of the larger scheme of the

1569
01:24:41,767 --> 01:24:47,037
oil economy, as it was
an exploratory well.

1570
01:24:47,033 --> 01:24:48,303
The Press:
What about Bradley Manning?

1571
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:50,100
Could you tell us about
Bradley Manning --

1572
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:50,930
The Press:
On the state aid bill --

1573
01:24:50,934 --> 01:24:52,964
Mr. Gibbs:
No.

1574
01:24:52,967 --> 01:24:54,397
The Press:
You won't?

1575
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,130
The Press:
On the state aid
bill that the --

1576
01:24:56,133 --> 01:24:58,333
Mr. Gibbs:
I don't discuss
active investigations.

1577
01:24:58,333 --> 01:25:01,533
The Press:
Collins and Snowe of Maine voted for the state aid bill today and

1578
01:25:01,533 --> 01:25:04,603
overcame the filibuster because
they said it was an emergency,

1579
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,730
and they're now saying since
it's an emergency the House

1580
01:25:06,734 --> 01:25:08,564
needs to come back
and pass this thing.

1581
01:25:08,567 --> 01:25:11,537
Is the White House trying to get
the House to come back to pass this?

1582
01:25:11,533 --> 01:25:13,133
Do you consider it an
emergency that needs to be --

1583
01:25:13,133 --> 01:25:14,833
Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I will say this.

1584
01:25:14,834 --> 01:25:20,164
I think today's
vote represents --

1585
01:25:20,166 --> 01:25:24,036
well, today's vote is an
important development as we head

1586
01:25:24,033 --> 01:25:27,063
back into the school year
and tens of thousands,

1587
01:25:27,066 --> 01:25:29,236
probably more than
160,000 teachers,

1588
01:25:29,233 --> 01:25:35,803
as a result of this economy,
were likely facing pink slips.

1589
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,600
And we know what
that means for --

1590
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,000
any of us who have
children in school,

1591
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,430
we understand what that means.

1592
01:25:42,433 --> 01:25:45,563
When you take that number of
teachers out of the classroom,

1593
01:25:45,567 --> 01:25:47,567
you increase the
teacher-to-student ratios;

1594
01:25:47,567 --> 01:25:53,337
it affects our long-term ability
to educate our children and to

1595
01:25:53,333 --> 01:25:55,033
compete in this economy.

1596
01:25:55,033 --> 01:25:58,363
Senator Collins and Senator
Snowe stood up and bravely

1597
01:25:58,367 --> 01:26:04,137
joined 59 others in ensuring
that we would take some of those

1598
01:26:04,133 --> 01:26:05,103
important steps.

1599
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:06,670
Let me check on the House.

1600
01:26:06,667 --> 01:26:09,737
I know that this is
something that --

1601
01:26:09,734 --> 01:26:14,564
this was of great importance to
the House and it is our hope

1602
01:26:14,567 --> 01:26:19,537
that we can get something,
having moved beyond this

1603
01:26:19,533 --> 01:26:23,363
filibuster, to the President's
desk that can prevent those tens

1604
01:26:23,367 --> 01:26:25,397
of thousands of teachers
from being laid off.

1605
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,500
The Press:
And you think the President would like to see it this week,

1606
01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:29,900
which would require the House --

1607
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:30,770
Mr. Gibbs:
I think the President would like to see it as quickly as he can.

1608
01:26:30,767 --> 01:26:34,597
The Press:
If I could on Iran, which said it's gotten 300 antiaircraft

1609
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,730
missiles from Belarus after we
convinced the Russians not to sell --

1610
01:26:38,734 --> 01:26:40,904
Mr. Gibbs:
Belarus, I believe,
has denied that,

1611
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:43,430
and I would point
you to that report.

1612
01:26:43,433 --> 01:26:44,133
The Press:
Thank you, Robert.

1613
01:26:44,133 --> 01:26:45,163
Mr. Gibbs:
I'll do one more and
then I'll go back to work.

1614
01:26:45,166 --> 01:26:47,096
The Press:
Thank you, Robert.

1615
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:48,770
Senator McConnell and the
President are meeting this

1616
01:26:48,767 --> 01:26:51,237
afternoon, I guess on judicial
nominations or nominations in general?

1617
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Mr. Gibbs:
Well, I think the President and Senator McConnell are extending

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their -- the bipartisan meeting that happened here a week or so

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ago in which the President was and continues to be frustrated

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by the pace at which the Senate
deals with nominations for

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judgeships and nominations for
service in this government.

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Right now there are 12 federal
judicial nominees that have

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passed the Judiciary Committee
with a unanimous vote.

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There are other judges that have
been through the process and

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approved by the
Judiciary Committee.

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There will be a direct
discussion about moving those

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judges -- we heard a lot in the previous eight years about the

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importance of federal judges.

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I doubt they have gotten less
important in the previous 18 months.

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We have documented and talked
about extensively in this room

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the downright delay and utter
obstruction in getting nominees

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confirmed to important
positions in this government.

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And I think the President
was rightly frustrated,

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and has been, at a pace in the
Senate that is unrivaled and

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unmatched in its slowness.

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That will be the
topic of discussion,

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and it is our hope that the
Senate in the time remaining

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before August will move quickly
on many of those judgeships,

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the ones that have passed
unanimously and others,

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as well as the appointees that
have been waiting for months to

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be approved.

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The Press:
And prospects for recess appointments this weekend?

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Mr. Gibbs:
Let me know how that meeting goes, and I'll tell you that.

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Thanks, guys.

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The Press:
Is this their first one-on-one?

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Mr. Gibbs:
I think so, yes.